snafu Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: I’ve long said, to you and others, that your expectation is the most sane and rational just going off past history. No question. But this spin on the Horowitz report is not journalism. It’s information warfare tactics and narrative framing 101. It is focused solely on the OIG, whose scope is limited (which is not a deflection, but a reality) while omitting the other agencies involved who do not fall under Horowitz’s purview. Horowitz may rightfully say “the FBI did not spy on Trump’s campaign” — because it was the CIA and foreign assets (Britain, Australia, New Zealand et al) who did that at the behest of the fusion team running the Trump “investigation”. If they lead with that, while omitting the other side (which they will, because the NYT has motive to lie and cover this up considering their role and how they benefited from it), it allows them to gaslight millions who think Horowitz is the end of the line. He’s not. Not since Durham went public over three months ago now. And if Durham’s probe is expanding to State and DoD, it’s not because “Horowitz disproved the spying theory”. I suppose I’m guessing that the spin will win. People don’t want to dig too deep and the easiest explanation is the most convenient thing to hang your opinion upon. Durham can always nail one or two people and call himself a success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, snafu said: I suppose I’m guessing that the spin will win. People don’t want to dig too deep and the easiest explanation is the most convenient thing to hang your opinion upon. Durham can always nail one or two people and call himself a success. That’s the sanest, most rational expectation based on past history and precedent. Without a doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 This CAN’T be real! Byron York shares ‘details’ from Fusion GPS guys’ new book and it’s even DUMBER than you thought https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/11/29/this-cant-be-real-byron-york-shares-details-from-fusion-gps-guys-new-book-and-its-even-dumber-than-you-thought/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, B-Man said: This CAN’T be real! Byron York shares ‘details’ from Fusion GPS guys’ new book and it’s even DUMBER than you thought https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/11/29/this-cant-be-real-byron-york-shares-details-from-fusion-gps-guys-new-book-and-its-even-dumber-than-you-thought/ It was said the other day by a few people, but the GPS book is a guide for the media to dig themselves out of what's coming. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 They can't escape this... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Dan Bongino Deconstructs Latest NY Times Attempt to Sterilize IG Report and Makes a Stunning Connection In an article entitled “Russia Inquiry Review Is Expected to Undercut Trump Claim of F.B.I. Spying,” New York Times writer Adam Goldman tries mightily, yet fails, to debunk claims that Obama officials tried to spy on the Trump campaign. In the podcast below, investigator Dan Bongino deconstructs Goldman’s “propaganda” and in the end, makes a stunning new connection between FBI informant Stephan Halper and the former head of the SVR, the Russian foreign intelligence service, Vyacheslav Trubnikov, who was a source for Christopher Steele. The headline says the report is expected to undercut Trump’s claim of F.B.I. spying. This was not just a “Trump claim.” Goldman and many others in the mainstream media have made the same claim. Let me refresh his memory. In a May 2, 2019 article, “F.B.I. Sent Investigator Posing as Assistant to Meet With Trump Aide in 2016,” Goldman wrote: The woman [Azra Turk] had set up the meeting to discuss foreign policy issues. But she was actually a government investigator posing as a research assistant, according to people familiar with the operation. The F.B.I. sent her to London as part of the counterintelligence inquiry opened that summer to better understand the Trump campaign’s links to Russia. The Conservative Treehouse’s “Sundance” wrote a hilarious headline which makes fun of this claim. It reads, “More IG Report Leaks – New York Times Reports FBI “Spies” Placed In/Around Trump Campaign Were Not Spying “On” Trump Campaign…” Ahead of the IG report’s release, witnesses (those implicated in the report) are allowed to review the relevant section and are given the opportunity to submit a written rebuttal which is included in the final version. Since no one has seen the full report yet, Goldman’s claims are based upon the rebuttals submitted by mainstream media friendly witnesses which likely include Andrew McCabe, James Comey, James Baker, John Brennan and the like. All of these individuals have a “cover story” they would like the IG and the public to believe. Their rebuttals are mini-versions of what we can expect from their defense teams. Goldman is trying to manage public opinion ahead of the report’s release. He is wrongfully presenting their “stories” as if they were fact. He is playing word games. He is also setting up “straw-man” arguments he can easily knock down. Goldman’s lede says, “The F.B.I. never tried to place undercover agents or informants inside the Trump campaign, a highly anticipated inspector general’s report is expected to find.” And his first paragraph says the IG “found no evidence that the F.B.I. attempted to place undercover agents or informants inside Donald J. Trump’s campaign in 2016 as agents investigated whether his associates conspired with Russia’s election interference operation.” For example, nobody has claimed the FBI placed agents inside the Trump campaign. Goldman himself reports that they sent informants to speak with Trump campaign associates such as George Papadopoulos and Carter Page. MUCH more at the link: . 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deranged Rhino Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Correct: They always accuse you of what they themselves are guilty of. SOP. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 As expected... this is why Durham was tasked. https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1201657886860075014 OIG = public evidence, can’t be denied. Durham = indictments. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Remember, Barr came out of retirement for this fight. There will be one. And indictments. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Remember, Barr came out of retirement for this fight. There will be one. And indictments. Is this like when you predicted the last big thing? Or when you spent 2 years telling us Hillary was the preordained choice by the Bilderburg group and then had to rewrite your script? You've spent a lot of time building this up for huge coming indictments. Be sad to see you have to do another script change after being so confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 On November 28, 2019 at 2:38 PM, B-Man said: SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES TO THINK WE’RE STUPID In The Plot Against the President, Lee Smith makes the case that the New York Times and the Washington Post have turned themselves into arms of the Resistance to the Trump administration that manifested in the counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign undertaken by the FBI. The FISA warrant taken out on Carter Page by the FBI in October 2016 constituted a key element of the investigation. The warrant was based in substantial part on the patently absurd Steele Dossier; that warrant in particular is the subject of the Department of Justice Inspector General report to be released on December 9 by Michael Horowitz. Leaks emanating from the subjects of the pending report have formed the basis of a few stories offering a preview. This is all preparation of the battlespace by the Comey brigade and its media adjunct. The Timesman Adam Goldman is prominent among the members of this media adjunct. Thus we now have Goldman’s New York Times preview of the IG report in “Russia Inquiry Review Is Expected to Undercut Trump Claim of F.B.I. Spying.” Subhead: “The F.B.I. never tried to place undercover agents or informants inside the Trump campaign, a highly anticipated inspector general’s report is expected to find.” They think we’re stupid. We shall see whether “they” include Michael Horowitz. Undercover Huber responds concisely to Goldman’s story in the tweets below. The spin that FBI/DOJ didn’t investigate the “Trump campaign” - just the campaign chairman, it’s highest ranking military advisor and two foreign policy advisors - deserves at least some credit for being audacious Ignoring the spin:—FBI used informants against Trump campaign advisors (obvs)—FBI failed to include in FISA apps potentially exculpatory statement by PapaD said to Halper—Mifud is now a “Russian intermediary”, not agent —Steele dossier did not match his sources This better be NYT spin & not the nature of the report itself, because nobody asked whether FBI “inserted” spies into the campaign, that doesn’t need to be “debunked” - the question is whether FBI spied on the campaign and had a predicate to do so. If not, that’s not a “mistake” https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/somebody-up-there-likes-to-think-were-stupid.php IG cleared them, so tough luck. Lying Barr can cry all he wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: IG cleared them, so tough luck. Lying Barr can cry all he wants Let me guess. The Attorney General is a puppet of Putin? Am I close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Let me guess. The Attorney General is a puppet of Putin? Am I close? Trust Horowitz they said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Gary Busey said: Trust Horowitz they said No problem on my end. Let’s just wait and see. In the meantime I’ll try not to light my hair on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Let me guess. The Attorney General is a puppet of Putin? Am I close? Close! And good morning SC, hope you have a wonderful Trump day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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