mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Mack averaged 18 tkl for loss and 7 sacks a season in his career. Oliver avg 17 tkls for loss and 4.5 sacks. While Mack was more productive, so was Oliver. He put up those numbers playing NT for a ton of snaps as well. Oliver is a legit prospect. Mack got progressively better, unlike Oliver. Mack averaged 10 sacks and 20 TFL his last two years at UB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: First you tell me who’s available there. I could see Wilkins, Josh Allen, or an OT. Maybe Metcalf, too. Wilkins, Oliver, Gary, Jonah, and Jawaan Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: Wilkins, Oliver, Gary, Jonah, and Jawaan Taylor. In that case, I take Wilkins or one of the OTs. I don’t like Gary there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, mannc said: First you tell me who’s available there. I could see Wilkins, Josh Allen, or an OT. Maybe Metcalf, too. You care about production but you'd take Metcalf? Josh Allen is going in the top 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: In that case, I take Wilkins or one of the OTs. I don’t like Gary there. Over Oliver? Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: You care about production but you'd take Metcalf? Josh Allen is going in the top 5. I don’t really like Metcalf, but that was one of the choices he gave me, and I think we should go offense there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mannc said: I don’t really like Metcalf, but that was one of the choices he gave me, and I think we should go offense there. Huh? No it wasn't... Plus, you don't "go offense" - you go BPA once you have your QB. Edited March 24, 2019 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, mannc said: I don’t really like Metcalf, but that was one of the choices he gave me, and I think we should go offense there. I gave you no such choice I'd be ok with Wilkins or Taylor at 9. But that's just it..."ok with". If I'm going by potential to be dynamic, its Oliver all day. I want no part of Gary or Jonah at 9. Or Metcalf for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Huh? No it wasn't... My bad. You’re right. Yeah, I don’t love Metcalf but the need for a dynamic WR is such that he has to be considered. WRT Oliver, there are just too many other good defensive linemen available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: My bad. You’re right. Yeah, I don’t love Metcalf but the need for a dynamic WR is such that he has to be considered. WRT Oliver, there are just too many other good defensive linemen available. Not according to the list I gave you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) The BPA most likely will be a DE and DT, and it will absolutely be a need by 2020. My guess is that Oliver due to his "lack of production" despite his good penetrating numbers will fit the bill. I do believe him to be an impact player with elite talent level. His size doesnt bother me that much because he would be the 3 technique and he has elite level quickness/first step and plays with great leverage. I suspect he will have better pass rushing and sack numbers than he did in college and he will undoubtedly have lots of TFL due to his style of play. If he is there at 9, I think he will be the pick. Edited March 24, 2019 by Magox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, Magox said: The BPA most likely will be a DE and DT, and it will absolutely be a need by 2020. My guess is that Oliver due to his "lack of production" despite his good penetrating numbers will fit the bill. I do believe him to be an impact player with elite talent level. His size doesnt bother me that much because he would be the 3 technique and he has elite level quickness/first step and plays with great leverage. I suspect he will have better pass rushing and sack numbers than he did in college and he will undoubtedly have lots of TFL due to his size of play. If he is there at 9, I think he will be the pick. Agreed. Ceiling is very high at a premium position (pass rusher) and that's key when you're picking in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Not according to the list I gave you... Those would not be the only guys available at 9. I would also take QWilliams, Wilkins, Allen, Ferrell, Lawrence, Burns and several others before I took Oliver. Only one or two of those will be off the board at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: Those would not be the only guys available at 9. I would also take QWilliams, Wilkins, Allen, Ferrell, Lawrence, Burns and several others before I took Oliver. Only one or two of those will be off the board at 9. You would really take Dexter Lawrence at 9 over Ed Oliver?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Magox said: The BPA most likely will be a DE and DT, and it will absolutely be a need by 2020. My guess is that Oliver due to his "lack of production" despite his good penetrating numbers will fit the bill. I do believe him to be an impact player with elite talent level. His size doesnt bother me that much because he would be the 3 technique and he has elite level quickness/first step and plays with great leverage. I suspect he will have better pass rushing and sack numbers than he did in college and he will undoubtedly have lots of TFL due to his style of play. If he is there at 9, I think he will be the pick. I agree. We needed a QB and MLB last year. They were there for us at BPA due to Beane maneuvering around to line up need/BPA. I can see him doing that again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: You would really take Dexter Lawrence at 9 over Ed Oliver?? Yup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: Those would not be the only guys available at 9. I would also take QWilliams, Wilkins, Allen, Ferrell, Lawrence, Burns and several others before I took Oliver. Only one or two of those will be off the board at 9. No chance Q Will or Allen are there. If so, I take Q Will. But to think all those other guys are better than Oliver is crazy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: No chance Q Will or Allen are there. If so, I take Q Will. But to think all those other guys are better than Oliver is crazy talk. That’s fine. I just don’t think Oliver is good. You do. We’ll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I get much more of a Nick Fairley career vibe from him than an Aaron Donald career vibe. Whatever, I will trust the process if he is taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: My bad. You’re right. Yeah, I don’t love Metcalf but the need for a dynamic WR is such that he has to be considered. As I said in another thread, only half of the playoff teams last year had a 1,000 yard WR (the Rams had 2). You don't need that dynamic WR to succeed and their plan was to add another speedster in Brown to pair with Foster to clear-out the underneath for Beasley and the running game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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