Paulus Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Justice said: Trust me bro, this place is best in very small doses and that’s what I recommend to you, because we shouldn’t tell ppl how to think and what to say. This place isn’t about censorship nor should it be. Open dialogue can help and in some cases be hurtful. Just like in society. The dude is scary though. I’m the Muslim here and I’d bet anything if people had to bet on who’s most likely to go on a violent rampage it’d be him by a mile. I hope he gets help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Justice said: Don’t want to go back and find the post about America being a salad bowl instead of a melting pot, but I’d still like to reply. I can’t disagree more. As a first generation American, as are all my cousins, we have assimilated into American culture rapidly and my kid’s even more so. Assimilation is an unstoppable force. I can’t speak for everyone so maybe I’m wrong but in my experience I don’t see it. I think it depends on if immigrants settle in a ghetto (ghetto meaning the traditional definition of a ghetto - people of the same ethnic group settling in the same area). My great-grandparents did. My great-grandmother died at 93 speaking almost no English after being in this country for nearly 80 years (she could understand though). My great-grandfather spoke and understood English very well. My in-laws came over from Africa. They assimilated very well even though originally they did settle with "like people". My MIL never lost her accent. My FIL spoke a buncha languages (including English and Arabic) before arriving, so he had an easier time of it. My BIL sounded like a Chicago dockside worker even though English was not his first language. (My husband's first language at home was English.) I can't help but wonder if it was more on the person than even the family unit? Edited March 16, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I think it depends on if immigrants settle in a ghetto (ghetto meaning the traditional definition of a ghetto - people of the same ethnic group settling in the same area). My great-grandparents did. My great-grandmother died at 93 speaking almost no English after being in this country for nearly 80 years (she could understand though). My great-grandfather spoke and understood English very well. My in-laws came over from Africa. They assimilated very well even though originally they did settle with "like people". My MIL never lost her accent. My FIl spoke buncha languages (including English and Arabic) before arriving, so he had an easier time of it. My BIL sounded like a Chicago dockside worker even though English was not his first language. (My husband's first language at home was English.) I can't help but wonder if it was more on the person than even the family unit? This only proves my point. Your BIL assimilated far more than his parents and them more than your grandparents. Over time we all assimilate. No choice. It’s unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Justice said: Don’t want to go back and find the post about America being a salad bowl instead of a melting pot, but I’d still like to reply. I can’t disagree more. As a first generation American, as are all my cousins, we have assimilated into American culture rapidly and my kid’s even more so. Assimilation is an unstoppable force. I can’t speak for everyone so maybe I’m wrong but in my experience I don’t see it. See, assimilation is what those of us whose families may have been here for a much longer time want to see from new citizens. It doesn't mean we want you to erase your heritage, it means we don't want you to try to force your heritage or beliefs on us. We have certain traditions that are important to us and you have no right to demand the removal of things like nativity scenes or have us adhere to your religious holidays. What is unacceptable to us is the introduction of practices like Sharia Law and no-go zones like what's happening in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: See, assimilation is what those of us whose families may have been here for a much longer time want to see from new citizens. It doesn't mean we want you to erase your heritage, it means we don't want you to try to force your heritage or beliefs on us. We have certain traditions that are important to us and you have no right to demand the removal of things like nativity scenes or have us adhere to your religious holidays. What is unacceptable to us is the introduction of practices like Sharia Law and no-go zones like what's happening in Europe. 100% in a agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, meazza said: My wife is Muslim. I hope some dumb ***** on here doesn't call you racist because you brought this up. I wouldn't be able to read his posts if he did, anyway. 2 of my close friends would be "forced out of home and property" if the Dude got his way and and all Muslims were exiled from the US. For the other responses to what I said, if the Dude has been banned (didn't look like he has been, but maybe he was), then I'm a little less disgusted with this place. He's a pretty damn long time poster here, though and he had to know the norms. And if discussion remotely similar to what he was advocating--sympathizing with a White Nationalist murderer, which he was. Advocating the exile of all Muslims from our Country, which he was. Saying that there are too many Muuslims out there in the world to try to kill them all, which is really why the exile option is the best, which he did--is viewed as acceptable here, then it's a good thing I only poke my head in here once in awhile, because every time I decide to do it, I still feel a bit dirty hours after I leave. Edited March 16, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Justice said: This only proves my point. Your BIL assimilated far more than his parents and them more than your grandparents. Over time we all assimilate. No choice. It’s unstoppable. No, my in-laws all assimilated very well, my BIL's big difference (from his parents) was the lack of accent. It could be that their origins were European, even though they came over from Africa. ?♀️ In my family, the assimilation on my mother's side was much better than on my father's side (same ethnic background), although when you start tracing the family tree, my father's side of the family has been much more economically successful over the last 100+ years. Again, I cannot help but wonder if it is on the person, rather than the family unit? My grandparents (and their siblings, on both sides) were desperate to "be American". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I hope some dumb ***** on here doesn't call you racist because you said this. I wouldn't be able to read his posts if he did, anyway. 2 of my close friends would be "forced out of home and property" if the Dude got his way and and all Muslims were exiled from the US. For any other responses, if the Dude has been banned (didn't look like he has been, but maybe he was), then I'm a little less disgusted with this place. He's a pretty damn long time poster here, though and he had to know the norms. And if discussion remotely similar to what he was advocating--sympathizing with a White Nationalist murderer, which he was. Advocating the exile of all Muslims from our Country, which he was. Saying that there are too many Muuslims out there in the world to try to kill them all, which is really why the exile option is the best, which he did--is viewed as acceptable here, then it's a good thing I only poke my head in here once in awhile, because every time I decide to do it, I still feel a bit dirty hours after I leave. one poster provided comments yesterday that stretched the limits of decency and demands for censorship nobody else was in agreement with these posts, many expressed very strong views against them sorry if the reality doesn't fit your determined narrative to point your ***** finger at everyone else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I hope some dumb ***** on here doesn't call you racist because you said this. I wouldn't be able to read his posts if he did, anyway. 2 of my close friends would be "forced out of home and property" if the Dude got his way and and all Muslims were exiled from the US. For any other responses, if the Dude has been banned (didn't look like he has been, but maybe he was), then I'm a little less disgusted with this place. He's a pretty damn long time poster here, though and he had to know the norms. And if discussion remotely similar to what he was advocating--sympathizing with a White Nationalist murderer, which he was. Advocating the exile of all Muslims from our Country, which he was. Saying that there are too many Muuslims out there in the world to try to kill them all, which is really why the exile option is the best, which he did--is viewed as acceptable here, then it's a good thing I only poke my head in here once in awhile, because every time I decide to do it, I still feel a bit dirty hours after I leave. Just about everything you have stated above is wrong and you have come here just to create havoc. Till the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Just about everything you have stated above is wrong and you have come here just to create havoc. Till the next time. i'm not sure if we should be surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: one poster provided comments yesterday that stretched the limits of decency and demands for censorship nobody else was in agreement with these posts, many expressed very strong views against them And he was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And he was banned. really??? i don't want censorship, i can understand this move though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Just about everything you have stated above is wrong and you have come here just to create havoc. Till the next time. Point out what was wrong. Please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I hope some dumb ***** on here doesn't call you racist because you brought this up. I wouldn't be able to read his posts if he did, anyway. 2 of my close friends would be "forced out of home and property" if the Dude got his way and and all Muslims were exiled from the US. For the other responses to what I said, if the Dude has been banned (didn't look like he has been, but maybe he was), then I'm a little less disgusted with this place. He's a pretty damn long time poster here, though and he had to know the norms. And if discussion remotely similar to what he was advocating--sympathizing with a White Nationalist murderer, which he was. Advocating the exile of all Muslims from our Country, which he was. Saying that there are too many Muuslims out there in the world to try to kill them all, which is really why the exile option is the best, which he did--is viewed as acceptable here, then it's a good thing I only poke my head in here once in awhile, because every time I decide to do it, I still feel a bit dirty hours after I leave. Oh, you really are just here to grandstand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Point out what was wrong. Please do. you don't get the internet at all, do you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And he was banned. Are you sure he was banned? He was on an hour ago. He's got more issues than National Geographic, but I am not certain censorship is the way to go. (The man needs medical help if you ask me, but what do I know?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Point out what was wrong. Please do. Just about everything. I will not discuss or argue with you because you're posting stuff that is slanted or flat out wrong, so I have determined that you aren't worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Oh, you really are just here to grandstand. No. Just to point out the obvious before sun and surf, hopefully that washes some of the filth away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Point out what was wrong. Please do. Here ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Are you sure he was banned? He was on an hour ago. He's got more issues than National Geographic, but I am not certain censorship is the way to go. (The man needs medical help if you ask me, but what do I know?) He has certain points but he doesn't know how to articulate them and was unwilling to cease with the shock comments. No one was going to discuss his legitimate points when he was simultaneously talkingbadshit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 transplant doing a Covington Fake News CNN-flop again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Point out what was wrong. Please do. Here you go: The Dude has ridden the line of being a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs for months. Half of the regulars here have him on ignore, and the other half tell him how much of a piece of crap he is in just about every thread he's posted in. He's a pretty damn long time poster here, though and he had to know the norms. And if discussion remotely similar to what he was advocating--sympathizing with a White Nationalist murderer, which he was. Advocating the exile of all Muslims from our Country, which he was. Saying that there are too many Muuslims out there in the world to try to kill them all, which is really why the exile option is the best, which he did--is viewed as acceptable here Which makes this blurb ENTIRELY wrong. He knew the norms and disregarded them to spew his hate. His hate was never deemed acceptable by anyone who spent 5 seconds reading before spouting off how much better they are than the people who post here. All it does it make you look like an ignorant, moral grandstanding fool who is more concerned with preaching about how superior he is than actively counteracting hate. Edited March 16, 2019 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Here you go: The Dude has ridden the line of being a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs for months. Half of the regulars here have him on ignore, and the other half tell him how much of a piece of crap he is in just about every thread he's posted in. Which makes this blurb ENTIRELY wrong. He knew the norms and disregarded them to spew his hate. His hate was never deemed acceptable by anyone who spent 5 seconds reading before spouting off how much better they are than the people who post here. All it does it make you look like an ignorant, moral grandstanding fool who is more concerned with preaching about how superior he is than actively counteracting hate. so because one person did this and was heavily chided and apparently warned and banned, we ALL are guilty of his worse comments... wow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Just about everything. I will not discuss or argue with you because you're posting stuff that is slanted or flat out wrong, so I have determined that you aren't worth my time. Whatever. There wasn't a single wrong thing about what I said in there. Everything I said The_Dude, a long time poster in this forum, said or was advocating was exactly what he said or advocated. Sounds like he was banned. I'm glad. He seemed to feel comfortable enough expressing those thoughts in this environment. Time for a salt-water-cleansing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: He has certain points but he doesn't know how to articulate them and was unwilling to cease with the shock comments. No one was going to discuss his legitimate points when he was simultaneously talkingbadshit. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not supporting him (even with his occasional valid point). His racism and misogyny make me skip 99% of his posts. I truly think he has problems and needs psychiatric help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Here you go: The Dude has ridden the line of being a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs for months. Half of the regulars here have him on ignore, and the other half tell him how much of a piece of crap he is in just about every thread he's posted in. Which makes this blurb ENTIRELY wrong. He knew the norms and disregarded them to spew his hate. His hate was never deemed acceptable by anyone who spent 5 seconds reading before spouting off how much better they are than the people who post here. All it does it make you look like an ignorant, moral grandstanding fool who is more concerned with preaching about how superior he is than actively counteracting hate. Where the hell did you get that quote attributed to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Here you go: The Dude has ridden the line of being a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs for months. Half of the regulars here have him on ignore, and the other half tell him how much of a piece of crap he is in just about every thread he's posted in. See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Whatever. There wasn't a single wrong thing about what I said in there. Everything I said The_Dude, a long time poster in this forum, said or was advocating was exactly what he said or advocated. Sounds like he was banned. I'm glad. He seemed to feel comfortable enough expressing those thoughts in this environment. Time for a salt-water-cleansing. Jesus Christ. Don't let reality hit you up there. Just now, 3rdnlng said: Where the hell did you get that quote attributed to me? I highlighted the quoted section in your post. I will fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Here ya go. No. 18 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I hope some dumb ***** on here doesn't call you racist because you brought this up. I wouldn't be able to read his posts if he did, anyway. 2 of my close friends would be "forced out of home and property" if the Dude got his way and and all Muslims were exiled from the US. For the other responses to what I said, if the Dude has been banned (didn't look like he has been, but maybe he was), then I'm a little less disgusted with this place. He's a pretty damn long time poster here, though and he had to know the norms. And if discussion remotely similar to what he was advocating--sympathizing with a White Nationalist murderer, which he was. Advocating the exile of all Muslims from our Country, which he was. Saying that there are too many Muuslims out there in the world to try to kill them all, which is really why the exile option is the best, which he did--is viewed as acceptable here, then it's a good thing I only poke my head in here once in awhile, because every time I decide to do it, I still feel a bit dirty hours after I leave. This was the post where he claimed that everything I posted was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: really??? i don't want censorship, i can understand this move though.... He's basically threatened violence on multiple occasions, to individuals and groups. We should credit SDS for allowing as much freedom of expression here as he does - he disagrees with most of what's said on the board here, but he still allows people to be racist, sexist, or any other kind of -ist you want. But - as near as I can figure out, not at all speaking for him - he draws a line at openly issuing threats to kill people. Important to remember that the last person banned for PPP posts, that I can recall, was for posting pictures of lynched blacks. So it's not an inconsistent line. And "I love killing Haj" was right over that same line. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: No. I am guessing you are a "progressive". It would explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 glad i have been too busy to peruse this thread... till today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: glad i have been too busy to peruse this thread... till today. I wish I was as smart as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I am guessing you are a "progressive". It would explain a lot. there is an obvious disconnect and it isn't limited to just politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: He's basically threatened violence on multiple occasions, to individuals and groups. We should credit SDS for allowing as much freedom of expression here as he does - he disagrees with most of what's said on the board here, but he still allows people to be racist, sexist, or any other kind of -ist you want. But - as near as I can figure out, not at all speaking for him - he draws a line at openly issuing threats to kill people. Important to remember that the last person banned for PPP posts, that I can recall, was for posting pictures of lynched blacks. So it's not an inconsistent line. And "I love killing Haj" was right over that same line. You know what SDS doesn't allow though is for me to call HAHA Gator a ######, so I have to call him "gatored". Edited March 16, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I wish I was as smart as you. not smart, just had to use my time judiciously and this kind of thing really bothers me so it was low on my list of priorities. if true @The_Dude has been banned, that sucks but I guess a line has to be drawn somewhere. though i rarely agreed with his musings, it is good to have crazy within ones sights, just so as you can get a glimpse into the madness. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, Justice said: When did you get married and how did that happen? Lol I’m happy for you? Lol. Btw. That’s not a poke at your marriage just in marriage in general lol Lol thanks in front of a notary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, DC Tom said: He's basically threatened violence on multiple occasions, to individuals and groups. We should credit SDS for allowing as much freedom of expression here as he does - he disagrees with most of what's said on the board here, but he still allows people to be racist, sexist, or any other kind of -ist you want. But - as near as I can figure out, not at all speaking for him - he draws a line at openly issuing threats to kill people. Important to remember that the last person banned for PPP posts, that I can recall, was for posting pictures of lynched blacks. So it's not an inconsistent line. And "I love killing Haj" was right over that same line. [noted] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: not smart, just had to use my time judiciously and this kind of thing really bothers me so it was low on my list of priorities. if true @The_Dude has been banned, that sucks but I guess a line has to be drawn somewhere. though i rarely agreed with his musings, it is good to have crazy within ones sights, just so as you can get a glimpse into the madness. I argued that a while ago - better to keep crazy in the open where you can see it, rather than consign it to the shadows and pretend it doesn't exist. But - again, just in my view - there's at the very least liability issues associated with having someone post, among other calls to violence, "I like killing Haj" in a thread about mass shootings a mosques that supersedes any standard of "free speech" on a private message board. I don't think reporting him to the authorities would be out of line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Against my better judgement, I wanted to come over to PPP and see how folks were reacting to this disgusting, racist, white nationalist terrorist attack and what I discover very quickly is that there's no way that you can get banned over here for anything at all that you say. I'm just so disgusted that anyone could overtly sympathize with the perpetrators of this horrifying mass murder and then go on to advocate outlawing the Muslim religion and boast "I love killing Haj" at all. What's worse is that it's apparently okay over here in PPP? Utterly disgusting. What a ***** backwards forum where words like ***** and ***** are censored but advocating the genocide of an entire religion is not. ***** gross. Maybe so, but our weekly Meatless Monday Potluck is to die for. Chef Jim brings a quinoa kale vichyssoise that's out of this world. Bring a side dish next week and join the fun!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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