Cody Ford (OT/OG)

[N.Y. Orangeman]

This guy is really growing on me... He is #74 and played RT in the Bama game.  

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

45 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

This guy is really growing on me... He is #74 and played RT in the Bama game.  

 

 

 

Bobby Evans held his own too. Where was Marquise "Hollywood" Brown??

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Interestingly enough,  Herbstreit mentions during the broadcast the other starting WR is more complete.

[Misterbluesky]

He looks taller than 6'1.

[KOKBILLS]

Cody Ford is absolutely flying up the charts...

 

Ledyard and Sikkema had him going top 10, before the Bills pick in their last Mock...?

[Not at the table Karlos]

21 hours ago, the skycap said:

Bobby Evans held his own too. Where was Marquise "Hollywood" Brown??

Wasnt he injured for the game?

[The Now Moment]

Ford vs Williams for first offensive lineman taken. At least there are more options than we thought. Maybe we see a few other big uglies rise. 

[Blokestradamus]

Cody Ford is an enigma. He's got a few building blocks that would make up an All-Pro RT. Most obviously, his ungodly strength. For his size, he's got really impressive depth to his kick slide and foot speed. He can mirror rushers very well and he's smart enough to ID blitzes pre-snap and pick up late rushers. Despite looking like literally every chunky Utah power scheme guard for the last decade, the dude can pull across formation better than anticipated. He's got at least a requisite amount of athletic ability on the move.

 

On the negative side, I just want to say a giant ***** you to the Oklahoma Sooners. That stance does Ford absolutely zero favours and makes a 6'4" guy play like he's 6' 7". It was bad enough when they made Charles Tapper play in that god-awful frog stance a few years ago. Stop ruining my football enjoyment, Sooners. Rant over (for now).

 

The stance does play into some of my misgivings about Ford though. As powerful as he is, he's a really inconsistent drive blocker because his pad level is too high far too often. When he gets it right, he's like Michael Oher in The Blind Side; an absolute behemoth.

 

The other major issue that I have with Ford is that, despite his feet and kick slide being at an NFL baseline, his hands are often either shooting outside or far too late to the party. I think speed rushers won't be a huge issue for him but true technicians (such as the in-division Trey Flowers) might cause him trouble early as he can expose his chest. Because of the hands issue, I think the NFL should forget about drafting him as a guard as it'll only exacerbate the problem.

 

At the moment, as he currently is, I don't see a 1st round player (let alone a top 10 pick). Gambling on potential with OL is always a tricky game but it's hard to say no to the idea of drafting him. Having only started 21 games, he might only be scratching the surface of his ability. If you can iron out the flaws, he could be a star.

[Bill from NYC]

59 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

Cody Ford is an enigma. He's got a few building blocks that would make up an All-Pro RT. Most obviously, his ungodly strength. For his size, he's got really impressive depth to his kick slide and foot speed. He can mirror rushers very well and he's smart enough to ID blitzes pre-snap and pick up late rushers. Despite looking like literally every chunky Utah power scheme guard for the last decade, the dude can pull across formation better than anticipated. He's got at least a requisite amount of athletic ability on the move.

 

On the negative side, I just want to say a giant ***** you to the Oklahoma Sooners. That stance does Ford absolutely zero favours and makes a 6'4" guy play like he's 6' 7". It was bad enough when they made Charles Tapper play in that god-awful frog stance a few years ago. Stop ruining my football enjoyment, Sooners. Rant over (for now).

 

The stance does play into some of my misgivings about Ford though. As powerful as he is, he's a really inconsistent drive blocker because his pad level is too high far too often. When he gets it right, he's like Michael Oher in The Blind Side; an absolute behemoth.

 

The other major issue that I have with Ford is that, despite his feet and kick slide being at an NFL baseline, his hands are often either shooting outside or far too late to the party. I think speed rushers won't be a huge issue for him but true technicians (such as the in-division Trey Flowers) might cause him trouble early as he can expose his chest. Because of the hands issue, I think the NFL should forget about drafting him as a guard as it'll only exacerbate the problem.

 

At the moment, as he currently is, I don't see a 1st round player (let alone a top 10 pick). Gambling on potential with OL is always a tricky game but it's hard to say no to the idea of drafting him. Having only started 21 games, he might only be scratching the surface of his ability. If you can iron out the flaws, he could be a star.

Very interesting post. I have the Bama game on tape and will watch him.

[billspro]

On 1/22/2019 at 10:59 AM, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Interestingly enough,  Herbstreit mentions during the broadcast the other starting WR is more complete.

 

Lamb is an elite talent. He will be a top ten pick when he comes out for sure.

[Bill from NYC]

3 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Lamb is an elite talent. He will be a top ten pick when he comes out for sure.

Was he #6?

[N.Y. Orangeman]

3 hours ago, Blokestradamus said:

Cody Ford is an enigma. He's got a few building blocks that would make up an All-Pro RT. Most obviously, his ungodly strength. For his size, he's got really impressive depth to his kick slide and foot speed. He can mirror rushers very well and he's smart enough to ID blitzes pre-snap and pick up late rushers. Despite looking like literally every chunky Utah power scheme guard for the last decade, the dude can pull across formation better than anticipated. He's got at least a requisite amount of athletic ability on the move.

 

On the negative side, I just want to say a giant ***** you to the Oklahoma Sooners. That stance does Ford absolutely zero favours and makes a 6'4" guy play like he's 6' 7". It was bad enough when they made Charles Tapper play in that god-awful frog stance a few years ago. Stop ruining my football enjoyment, Sooners. Rant over (for now).

 

The stance does play into some of my misgivings about Ford though. As powerful as he is, he's a really inconsistent drive blocker because his pad level is too high far too often. When he gets it right, he's like Michael Oher in The Blind Side; an absolute behemoth.

 

The other major issue that I have with Ford is that, despite his feet and kick slide being at an NFL baseline, his hands are often either shooting outside or far too late to the party. I think speed rushers won't be a huge issue for him but true technicians (such as the in-division Trey Flowers) might cause him trouble early as he can expose his chest. Because of the hands issue, I think the NFL should forget about drafting him as a guard as it'll only exacerbate the problem.

 

At the moment, as he currently is, I don't see a 1st round player (let alone a top 10 pick). Gambling on potential with OL is always a tricky game but it's hard to say no to the idea of drafting him. Having only started 21 games, he might only be scratching the surface of his ability. If you can iron out the flaws, he could be a star.

Great post.  I agree with all of your points as to his potential at RT.  The only thing I would wonder if that hand placement is in part a function of that Oklahoma offense and the movement/angles these guys are forced to take.  This isn't an excuse and  he absolutely does need work though, but man that movement in Daboll's offense could open some incredible possibilities.  He seems like a perfect fit for Daboll given his experience in RPO.  As you can tell, I love him at OG moreso than at OT.  

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2019 by N.Y. Orangeman

[Blokestradamus]

1 hour ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Great post.  I agree with all of your points as to his potential at RT.  The only thing I would wonder if that hand placement is in part a function of that Oklahoma offense and the movement/angles these guys are forced to take.  This isn't an excuse and  he absolutely does need work though, but man that movement in Daboll's offense could open some incredible possibilities.  He seems like a perfect fit for Daboll given his experience in RPO.  As you can tell, I love him at OG moreso than at OT. 

 

It's always difficult to tell with OL when they play with someone as dynamic as Murray. The conventional pocket doesn't really exist. There is also the idea that he's only just switched to tackle and he might be more worried about his feet on the edge than his hands. They only get a finite amount of time to work on practical application of technique in college so it's not beyond the realms for them to make one aspect a priority over others.

 

 

[The Now Moment]

Offensive lineman look to be rising now. Risner is making a statement along with a few others. Not as bad of a class as many initially thought. 

Edited January 25, 2019 by Buffalo30

[KD in CA]

I don't trust anyone who 'shoots up the charts'.  Take the guy who's been at the top of the chart all along.

[C.Biscuit97]

He should be drafted in his name alone or pursue ea country music career.

[The Now Moment]

17 hours ago, KD in CA said:

I don't trust anyone who 'shoots up the charts'.  Take the guy who's been at the top of the chart all along.

You'd miss out on a lot of great players then.  Scouts just haven't gotten to see everybody so anyone that's with a top school like Alabama will be viewed first. It's just when scouts get to really see and talk with these guys that you see them rise and fall.  

[Blokestradamus]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

You'd miss out on a lot of great players then.  Scouts just haven't gotten to see everybody so anyone that's with a top school like Alabama will be viewed first. It's just when scouts get to really see and talk with these guys that you see them rise and fall.  

 

It's the fallacy of 'draft stock'. All it is is simply correction/overcorrection.

 

Good players are good. Bad players are bad.

[The Now Moment]

30 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

It's the fallacy of 'draft stock'. All it is is simply correction/overcorrection.

 

Good players are good. Bad players are bad.

Scouts don't get to see all of the players during the year.  When the senior bowl and combine arrive, scouts get to see the players up close in person. They get to interview guys and see if they have a brain and are the right fit for the team.  It's a very competitive stage and small school guys who are overlooked all year long get to prove their talent. Many small school 3 star prospects come in and punch big school guys in the mouth and they go shooting up the boards to even the playing field.  

 

If they like his potential and how he is wired, I could see him being taken in the 1st.  Every player that gets drafted needs to get better.  Are their flaws correctable and can they fit into what the team is trying to do.

 

Maybe the best thing for Ford is to drop stance and become a guard.  We will be exposed more to him as the weeks pass.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Buffalo30

[KD in CA]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Scouts don't get to see all of the players during the year.  When the senior bowl and combine arrive, scouts get to see the players up close in person. They get to interview guys and see if they have a brain and are the right fit for the team.  It's a very competitive stage and small school guys who are overlooked all year long get to prove their talent. Many small school 3 star prospects come in and punch big school guys in the mouth and they go shooting up the boards.  

 

That's a good point.

[Blokestradamus]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Scouts don't get to see all of the players during the year.  When the senior bowl and combine arrive, scouts get to see the players up close in person. They get to interview guys and see if they have a brain and are the right fit for the team.  It's a very competitive stage and small school guys who are overlooked all year long get to prove their talent. Many small school 3 star prospects come in and punch big school guys in the mouth and they go shooting up the boards.  

 

My point about draft stock is more related to the media than it is to the actual process of scouting by NFL teams.

 

Media outlets have guys doing CFB/draft content and they tend to focus on the bigger names and bigger schools because the draft doesn't really sell while the NFL season is underway. In Week 8, who gives a ***** about some corner from Back of Beyond State? We've all seen guys propped up for some reason or another (typically SEC and former 5-star recruit) and then other guys surpass them because the boards start getting more well rounded and they actually watch players instead of basically profiling them.

 

Once you add into the equation that media guys have NFL contacts and they all gather in St. Pete, Mobile & Indy, you start seeing a more accurate picture of how the draft WILL go, not how it SHOULD go. It's the same process every year and it's why I try to ignore everyone until I've cast my eye over someone.

 

Can you tell that this stuff bothers me?

[The Now Moment]

The offseason is just as important as the games but scouting doesn't start in the 'offseason.'  I'm wired to always be getting better.  That means constantly looking at new prospects, who's on the market, waiver pickups, undrafted FA, anybody.  Beane appears to be the same way.  

 

Your problem is with listening to the media and analysts.  Watch your own highlights/game film.  Don't fall into the media trap, that's how you overlook a player of Josh Allen's make up and just look at stat lines.  

[wppete]

He is a monster. We will end up with one of the top OTs.

[Blokestradamus]

Ford's closest athletic comparison makes me weep.

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/cody-ford

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 10:58 PM, wppete said:

He is a monster. We will end up with one of the top OTs.

Or Guards.

[JohnC]

On ‎3‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 1:47 PM, Bill from NYC said:

Or Guards.

The best technical, footwork and versatile lineman in this draft is Jonah Williams. If the Bills drafted either Jonah or Florida's Jawaan Taylor I won't complain. The cost for free agent offensive linemen is exorbitant. One advantage of drafting a plug and play lineman such as JW is that it will save you money and allow more cap money to be dedicated to other needs.   

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Woohoo!