Tiberius Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: While new discoveries happened all across the globe far more happened in Western and Central Europe due to the university system largely promoted by the Catholic Church than elsewhere. Proximity to NA helped the European succeed here but that same European was far better equipped to succeed than his non-Western European cousins. Interesting. The university system did very much help establish the systems of law that eventually evolved into a constitutional system. In England the common law had to be studied because it quickly became so huge, as it was based on precedents. But so many of the advances that allowed Europe to develop a University "system" in the later Middle Ages came from outside Europe. Our number system for instance, which came from India through Islamic lands. Can you imagine if we were still using Roman numerals? Printing, paper, ancient lost Greek philosophy, windmills, gunpowder and a whole bunch of other things that came to Europe--including diseases that we eventually developed resistance to--through trade with the more advanced civilizations of the time. Universities were developed to meet the needs of a growing economy that needed more lawyers to figure out who owned what. Feudalsim had been a legal mess and once money started flowing, they needed lawyers. 13 minutes ago, The_Dude said: 1. You're an idiot 2. Better agriculture than Egypt? 3. Less disease? You idiot -- there was way more disease because of "trade routes" you meathead 4. Better trade routes were because of better goods. People didn't walk from China to Italy because it was convenient. God you're dumb. Don't play this game with me, I'm way better at it than you. Kinda what my degree is in. You're an idiot. Your underlined point is the only thing correct in this. Insults instead of an argument? You sure are superior! Lol! You are proving my point. Back of the line with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Tibs fails to see how far Egypt fell from the golden age during Biblical times in terms of agricultural production going into the Industrial Age. It was innovations such as plant breeding that helped revitalize Egypt into modern times. Population did grow in Egypt during modern times so even with innovations Egypt was still a net importer of products such as wheat. Egypt supports my point, they contributed the solar calendar that Europe--Julius Caesar- took and his still, with modifications, in use today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Tibs fails to see how far Egypt fell from the golden age during Biblical times in terms of agricultural production going into the Industrial Age. It was innovations such as plant breeding that helped revitalize Egypt into modern times. Population did grow in Egypt during modern times so even with innovations Egypt was still a net importer of products such as wheat. Those stupid idiots and their stupid dam. Damming the Nile -- idiots. 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Egypt supports my point, they contributed the solar calendar that Europe--Julius Caesar- took and his still, with modifications, in use today. Oh my god you're so freaking stupid and please don't speak about Caesar, I beg you, as he's my idol and you're unfit to mention him, and you clearly don't know much about him. I'm a subject matter expert on two people, Caesar, and Churchill. Just please leave Caesar out of this. Lastly -- if I'm a racist I'm a bad one considering 50% of my labor force is black. Edited January 21, 2019 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Egypt supports my point, they contributed the solar calendar that Europe--Julius Caesar- took and his still, with modifications, in use today. Humans knew how to do key activities such as hunt game, gather firewood, and cultivate crops without a Julian calendar. Without its basis we would simply have a different system of time accounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 After another trip to the museum for the Egyptian display, they were and are a Semitic peoples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Those stupid idiots and their stupid dam. Damming the Nile -- idiots. Oh my god you're so freaking stupid and please don't speak about Caesar, I beg you, as he's my idol and you're unfit to mention him, and you clearly don't know much about him. I'm a subject matter expert on two people, Caesar, and Churchill. Just please leave Caesar out of this. Lastly -- if I'm a racist I'm a bad one considering 50% of my labor force is black. somehow, it isn't surprising that a man who was assassinated, by 23 of his peers, is your, 'hero'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: somehow, it isn't surprising that a man who was assassinated, by 23 of his peers, is your, 'hero'. Et tu Foxx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Et tu Foxx? sure, if your counting six degrees of separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Jerusalem and Alexandria have been very vital to forming our lives in North America and continue to be so. Edited January 21, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: sure, if your counting six degrees of separation. Today, at least in the Northeast is not a good day to count degrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Foxx said: somehow, it isn't surprising that a man who was assassinated, by 23 of his peers, is your, 'hero'. Yeah, it's why Octavian checked his clemency at the door. And they weren't his peers. The man did not have peers. Just now, row_33 said: Jerusalem and Alexandria have been very vital to forming our lives in North America and continue to be so. Alexandria has such a nice name. Wonder where it came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Yeah, it's why Octavian checked his clemency at the door. And they weren't his peers. The man did not have peers. Alexandria has such a nice name. Wonder where it came from? I'll put Athens up there as well for my top 3, Rome is at a more distant #4. Geneva gets a nod the last 500 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: I'll put Athens up there as well for my top 3, Rome is at a more distant #4. Geneva gets a nod the last 500 years I can't see how Rome isn't #1 on any list. They made western civilization. They did what Alexander didn't before he died -- they freaking united the Mediterranean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Humans knew how to do key activities such as hunt game, gather firewood, and cultivate crops without a Julian calendar. Without its basis we would simply have a different system of time accounting. Oh no, you had to know as close as possible when to plant the crops, it was a life and death matter. Taking it further, the study of the calendar led directly to a study of astronomy, science and metiphics and almost got Galileo burned at the stake. What other calender do you think would would have been accurate? The lunar calender was a joke and easily manipulatble. It could never have been used across a continent like Europe. It actually help unify European civilization in the fact the whole continent was on the same time standard, well until the Gregoria's reforms and Russia stayed on the old system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Liberalism is a disease Calling colleges and telling them NOT to enroll anyone from this school................INSANITY. JOURNALISM: When The Press Sees Red: “Like so many stories that supposedly conveyed the reality of Trump’s America, that so perfectly displayed white Christian menace, it turned out to be fake. Fake, like the Ohio University student who sent herself anti-gay hate mail; manufactured, like the racist harassment on a bus that Hilary Clinton tweeted about; an attempted frame-up, with liberal credulity made into the co-conspirator, like the vandalism of a Jewish cemetery done by a progressive reporter. But good enough to share, good enough to cause doxxing, and justify the harassment and assault of children. I’m still chuckling at the New York Times and the Washington Post rushing out misleading and false stories — the latter with three bylines — without doing any original reporting besides a phone call to the Native American Elder, and a survey of reactions on Twitter.” UPDATE: Really, to hell with these people. Media Narrative of “Catholic MAGA high schoolers mob Native American elder” doesn’t hold up to video scrutiny Twitter mob launched against teens by celebrities encouraging doxing and assault against minors The internet blew up over a (as it turns out) heavily-edited clip of white male Catholic March for Life high schoolers apparently taunting, mocking, and otherwise behaving badly toward a Native American elder. Even many on the right condemned the MAGA hat-wearing boys for their perceived vile behavior. The problem? We didn’t get the whole story, and many people, including those on the left, are now expressing their regret at jumping too readily to condemn these boys. As it turns out and in the true spirit of “unexpectedly,” there is much more to this story than we were first treated to in the initial reports. (more…) Reason reports: But the rest of the video—nearly two hours of additional footage showing what happened before and after the encounter—adds important context that strongly contradicts the media’s narrative. Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry. Watching the full videos, I see remarkably restrained young men attempting to rise above a challenge far beyond their years and ability to comprehend. And I see small, petty identity peddlers preying on the young, feeding on them like leeches, and I am appalled. . it must be remembered that one is a kid and the other is an adult. Quote David French ✔@DavidAFrench One other thing I’d note in all the hate against the Covington kid: We have an adult banging his drum inches from a kid’s face. Putting aside political biases and just focusing on decency — who is more responsible for defusing a tense situation, the adult or the kid? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, row_33 said: Jerusalem and Alexandria have been very vital to forming our lives in North America and continue to be so. 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: I'll put Athens up there as well for my top 3, Rome is at a more distant #4. Geneva gets a nod the last 500 years 7 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I can't see how Rome isn't #1 on any list. They made western civilization. They did what Alexander didn't before he died -- they freaking united the Mediterranean. what? No love for Constantinople? You know, the city that kept Greco-Roman culture alive for the thousand years or so that Western Europe was in the Dark Ages. The city that all trade passed thru until it fell to Islam, causing Europe to seek a new route to the Orient. A route that some Italian working for the King of Spain tried to find by sailing to the West and opening a New World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh no, you had to know as close as possible when to plant the crops, it was a life and death matter. Taking it further, the study of the calendar led directly to a study of astronomy, science and metiphics and almost got Galileo burned at the stake. What other calender do you think would would have been accurate? The lunar calender was a joke and easily manipulatble. It could never have been used across a continent like Europe. It actually help unify European civilization in the fact the whole continent was on the same time standard, well until the Gregoria's reforms and Russia stayed on the old system. A Julian calendar will not fully assure a planter of crops when the last frost of spring or first frost of autumn will occur. Crops were cultivated largely in a manner of by trial. That some crops were attempted and did not succeed during the warm period before the cold period so efforts were discontinued on that crop. Some spring (after the winter cold) crops such as oats, barley, and peas will take snow after emerging from the ground therefore they were prominent in Northern Europe. Winter wheat will take the interim between warm seasons with sufficient snow cover to insulate from the cold that we are seeing currently in WNY. The bottom line is while the Julian calendar came up with effective subdivisions the ancients still used solar days in a manner of speaking. That in a given region 100 solar days (rising and setting of the sun) would be the interim where crops would either not grow or go dormant (winter wheat). Edited January 21, 2019 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, /dev/null said: what? No love for Constantinople? You know, the city that kept Greco-Roman culture alive for the thousand years or so that Western Europe was in the Dark Ages. The city that all trade passed thru until it fell to Islam, causing Europe to seek a new route to the Orient. A route that some Italian working for the King of Spain tried to find by sailing to the West and opening a New World ....are you being serious? I'm ready to square up with Turkey right ***** now over Constantinople. Are you for serious? I want the Hagia Sophia back in Christian hands NOW. You must understand, I do not end the Roman empire in the 5th century, but in the 15th century. There are two events that I emotionally cannot deal with in history and I avoid them because I start tearing up and cry (I blub a bit). I cannot talk about Caesars assassination or the fall of Constantinople. I just cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Alexandria has such a nice name. Wonder where it came from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, /dev/null said: what? No love for Constantinople? You know, the city that kept Greco-Roman culture alive for the thousand years or so that Western Europe was in the Dark Ages. The city that all trade passed thru until it fell to Islam, causing Europe to seek a new route to the Orient. A route that some Italian working for the King of Spain tried to find by sailing to the West and opening a New World Until the crusaders murdered the city in 1204. Literally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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