SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Why do gays hate the GQP? Wouldn’t the liberal work solution be to change the name to something other than marriage? Or would that make too much sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Wouldn’t the liberal work solution be to change the name to something other than marriage? Or would that make too much sense? Your bigotry is showing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just now, BillStime said: Your bigotry is showing again. That’s a mirror dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: That’s a mirror dude! No - you wear your bigotry and hate with pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, BillStime said: No - you wear your bigotry and hate with pride. Sure dude…..you clearly speak the gay community. Everyone knows that Buffalo NY is the heart of the community. Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Sure dude…..you clearly speak the gay community. Everyone knows that Buffalo NY is the heart of the community. Give me a break. More pathetic nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: More pathetic nonsense Well you would know, being that you’re The King of Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Wouldn’t the liberal work solution be to change the name to something other than marriage? Or would that make too much sense? If the word means so much to you, why shouldn't it mean something to gay people as well? Also, no religious institutions are forced to perform gay marriages. As long as marriage is a term used in the government's recognition of a union, and at this point why would they change it, then everyone union should be called marriage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 9 hours ago, cle23 said: If the word means so much to you, why shouldn't it mean something to gay people as well? Also, no religious institutions are forced to perform gay marriages. As long as marriage is a term used in the government's recognition of a union, and at this point why would they change it, then everyone union should be called marriage. The word means what it means. Not to me…but to the English language. It’s why we have language at all. A unique word for this form of Union would keep you from having to use two words (gay marriage) to describe it. Mine is not a religious point, but a linguistic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The word means what it means. Not to me…but to the English language. It’s why we have language at all. A unique word for this form of Union would keep you from having to use two words (gay marriage) to describe it. Mine is not a religious point, but a linguistic one. Most people don't call it gay marriage. I personally know 2 couples that got "gay married." Neither invited people to their "gay wedding", just to their wedding. Why make a new word for something that functions exactly the same for everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, cle23 said: Most people don't call it gay marriage. I personally know 2 couples that got "gay married." Neither invited people to their "gay wedding", just to their wedding. Why make a new word for something that functions exactly the same for everyone? Because language is supposed be more, not less, descriptive. When you ask your significant other what’s for dinner….do you say, meat? I’m guessing not. We use language to better define our world…not make everything equal. No malice intended here at all, just some creative thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Because language is supposed be more, not less, descriptive. When you ask your significant other what’s for dinner….do you say, meat? I’m guessing not. We use language to better define our world…not make everything equal. No malice intended here at all, just some creative thinking. I understand where you are coming from, but why make an effort make separate words for the same thing? The whole point is for exclusion at that point. There is a word for it already. Just use it and be done with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Laws that proclaim a bill of rights for any group, only serves to separate people. One bill of rights for all. Any consideration of any religious order, is wrong. You are American, Canadian or whatever. Your religion may be important to you, but not first. Even the founding fathers knew that. If we do that then the issues of gay, Muslim, transgender, Catholic etc etc no longer exist. Do knock on my door with your beliefs, and I will respect your privilege to practice your beliefs, providing you practice man's law in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 58 minutes ago, cle23 said: I understand where you are coming from, but why make an effort make separate words for the same thing? The whole point is for exclusion at that point. There is a word for it already. Just use it and be done with it. Why? Because, there actually isn’t a word for two men joining in such a union. Or two women for that matter. The sole purpose of language is to help people communicate MORE specifically, not LESS specifically. That basic rule applies to every field of study and expertise. Why not this one too? It solves much of the current discourse and hurts absolutely nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why? Because, there actually isn’t a word for two men joining in such a union. Or two women for that matter. The sole purpose of language is to help people communicate MORE specifically, not LESS specifically. That basic rule applies to every field of study and expertise. Why not this one too? It solves much of the current discourse and hurts absolutely nobody. It doesn't solve anything, and it hurts in the sense of making a separate word for the sole purpose of exclusion. There is no need for a separate word if the union (marriage) means the same thing. Also, here is the Webster definition: Definition of marriage a: the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law b: the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage 2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effectedespecially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities 3: an intimate or close union, the marriage of painting and poetry— J. T. Shawcross So, this definition covers everyone. Nothing in it that differentiates same sex or "traditional" marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, cle23 said: It doesn't solve anything, and it hurts in the sense of making a separate word for the sole purpose of exclusion. There is no need for a separate word if the union (marriage) means the same thing. Also, here is the Webster definition: Definition of marriage a: the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law b: the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage 2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effectedespecially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities 3: an intimate or close union, the marriage of painting and poetry— J. T. Shawcross So, this definition covers everyone. Nothing in it that differentiates same sex or "traditional" marriage. Oh brother…that definition existed before we had gay marriage. It’s like when a new species is discovered…. they create a new word. Biologists don’t keep calling everything a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh brother…that definition existed before we had gay marriage. It’s like when a new species is discovered…. they create a new word. Biologists don’t keep calling everything a dog. Your bigotry and hate is running hot today. Do you think gay marriage minimizes the significance of “straight” marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh brother…that definition existed before we had gay marriage. It’s like when a new species is discovered…. they create a new word. Biologists don’t keep calling everything a dog. Yes, the definition existed before, and it encompasses all "types" of marriage in it's very definition. Why do we need to make it more complicated by making a separate word when this one covers it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, cle23 said: Yes, the definition existed before, and it encompasses all "types" of marriage in it's very definition. Why do we need to make it more complicated by making a separate word when this one covers it? Marriage was a religious term before it was a legal term. I think the government at all levels should get rid of the term marriage and reclassify them ALL civil unions. Watch the cults’ heads explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Your bigotry and hate is running hot today. Do you think gay marriage minimizes the significance of “straight” marriage? Again I say…oh brother. And yes if you use imprecise distinctions in the definition of words it waters down anything you’re trying to describe. That’s true for every type of word you use and has nothing to do with your bigotry nonsense. And I still have no idea why this would be in any way offensive to gay men. I’m pretty sure they already know that they’re gay!! But we all know the real agenda is just what you stated…to minimize the significance of traditional marriage. Edited July 11, 2022 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Again I say…oh brother. And yes if you use imprecise distinctions in the definition of words it waters down anything you’re trying to describe. That’s true for every type of word you use and has nothing to do with your bigotry nonsense. And I still have no idea why this would be in any way offensive to gay men. I’m pretty sure they already know that they’re gay!! But we all know the real agenda is just what you stated…to minimize the significance of traditional marriage. Please explain exactly how using the word marriage for everyone diminishes the significance for one group that is included in that very definition? Please add exact as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Again I say…oh brother. And yes if you use imprecise distinctions in the definition of words it waters down anything you’re trying to describe. That’s true for every type of word you use and has nothing to do with your bigotry nonsense. And I still have no idea why this would be in any way offensive to gay men. I’m pretty sure they already know that they’re gay!! But we all know the real agenda is just what you stated…to minimize the significance of traditional marriage. Oh BROTHER - JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. Your claim is that the real agenda for gays is to minimize the significance of marriage? Can you provide proof of that statement? And can you define traditional significance of marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 12 hours ago, cle23 said: Please explain exactly how using the word marriage for everyone diminishes the significance for one group that is included in that very definition? Please add exact as possible. I’ve gone over it already, a few times, but you don’t want to hear it. You just want to circle back to your need for in your face conflict. I didn’t say it diminishes traditional marriage. I said that was the partial intent of those advocating for gay marriage. Once again, for the kids in the back, the purpose of language is to clarify communication. Using the same word to describe many different things does the exact opposite. A German Shepherd and a cocker spaniel are both dogs but we use different words to describe them. It simply helps society communicate more clearly. It doesn’t make either one less of a dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: I’ve gone over it already, a few times, but you don’t want to hear it. You just want to circle back to your need for in your face conflict. I didn’t say it diminishes traditional marriage. I said that was the partial intent of those advocating for gay marriage. Once again, for the kids in the back, the purpose of language is to clarify communication. Using the same word to describe many different things does the exact opposite. A German Shepherd and a cocker spaniel are both dogs but we use different words to describe them. It simply helps society communicate more clearly. It doesn’t make either one less of a dog! Right. Dogs are still dogs though. All of them. No matter the breed, they are still dogs. Marriage is marriage, no matter the "type" of marriage. You can specify more if you'd like, but the very definition of marriage covers all the marriages that are available, so why make a different word for it? Also, in the eyes of the law, they are all simply marriages. Calling them all the same thing doesn't diminish the marriage of anyone. I really don't understand how it "doesn't diminish traditional marriage" and yet you say that is the partial intent of people advocating for gay marriage is to diminish traditional marriage. Every single person I've met, gay or straight, that supports gay marriage simply does so because they feel that everyone should have the same right and benefits. I'm not gay, and I've been married for 12+ years now. Not one one person's marriage has changed or diminished anything about mine in any way. None of this has anything to do with "in your face conflict." It's a discussion, and I personally don't understand your position, as to me, it makes zero sense. I haven't made any personal attacks or anything of the sort. That's why I ask for clarification, because I feel like some of your statements are contradicting each other. Edited July 12, 2022 by cle23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, cle23 said: Right. Dogs are still dogs though. All of them. No matter the breed, they are still dogs. Marriage is marriage, no matter the "type" of marriage. You can specify more if you'd like, but the very definition of marriage covers all the marriages that are available, so why make a different word for it? Calling them all the same thing doesn't diminish the marriage of anyone. I really don't understand how it "doesn't diminish traditional marriage" and yet you say that is the partial intent of people advocating for gay marriage is to diminish traditional marriage. Every single person I've met, gay or straight, that supports gay marriage simply does so because they feel that everyone should have the same right and benefits. I'm not gay, and I've been married for 12+ years now. Not one one person's marriage has changed or diminished anything about mine in any way. None of this has anything to do with "in your face conflict." It's a discussion, and I personally don't understand your position, as to me, it makes zero sense. I haven't made any personal attacks or anything of the sort. That's why I ask for clarification, because I feel like some of your statements are contradicting each other. Thanks for the discussion. It’s really appreciated. I try to be an outside the box thinker. I cannot stand hyphenated America. And I hate the fact that we have very uncreative people steering our discourse in the media, advocacy groups, and government so instead of looking for compromise they look for ways to actually enhance the conflict. I feel the same way about abortion and have said so many times on here. We simply have to look for ways to get along lest we end up in an existential divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for the discussion. It’s really appreciated. I try to be an outside the box thinker. I cannot stand hyphenated America. And I hate the fact that we have very uncreative people steering our discourse in the media, advocacy groups, and government so instead of looking for compromise they look for ways to actually enhance the conflict. I feel the same way about abortion and have said so many times on here. We simply have to look for ways to get along lest we end up in an existential divide. You hate hyphenated America but you can't stand the thought of GAY-MARRIANGE? Existential divide? COMPROMISE? As long as we ALL live according to YOUR RULES? GTHOF. If you don't want a gay marriage - don't have one! If you don't want an abortion - don't have one! Man, you are a bigot and it shines EVERY DAY. You are so insecure and threatened by gays, history, marriage which REALLY begs the question ---> WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? It is ok for Donald Trump to get MARRIED three times and CHEAT EVERY SINGLE TIME... and that doesn't ruin the sanctity of marriage but a gay couple wants to get married and they should find a NEW WORD FOR IT...? And yet, in your demented world - MARRRIAGE MEANS A UNION BETWEEN MAN AND WOAMN - but if you actually look it up - it is a HELLUVALOT broader than that. Get the heck out of here you bigot. Edited July 12, 2022 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: You hate hyphenated America but you can't stand the thought of GAY-MARRIANGE? Existential divide? COMPROMISE? As long as we ALL live according to YOUR RULES? GTHOF. If you don't want a gay marriage - don't have one! If you don't want an abortion - don't have one! Man, you are a bigot and it shines EVERY DAY. You are so insecure and threatened by gays, history, marriage which REALLY begs the question ---> WHAT YOU ARE HIDING? It is ok for Donald Trump to get MARRIED three times and CHEAT EVERY SINGLE TIME... and that doesn't ruin the sanctity of marriage but a gay couple wants to get married and they should find a NEW WORD FOR IT...? And yet, in your demented world - MARRRIAGE MEANS A UNION BETWEEN MAN AND WOAMN - but if you actually look it up - it is a HELLUVALOT broader than that. Get the heck out of here you bigot. Okie Dokie…thanks for sharing your thoughts this morning. Keep up the Trump hate and name calling. It’s where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Okie Dokie…thanks for sharing your thoughts this morning. Keep up the Trump hate and name calling. It’s where you live. Where I live? No, that's where you THRIVE and you share your hate and hide it behind utter nonsense. Gays should find a new WORD FOR MARRRIAGE? WTF is wrong with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: Where I live? No, that's where you THRIVE and you share your hate and hide it behind utter nonsense. Gays should find a new WORD FOR MARRRIAGE? WTF is wrong with you... Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 👆🤡 Why do the gays love the dems so much? 👇🤡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: 👆🤡 Why do the gays love the dems so much? 👇🤡 So it sounds like you’re saying we don’t need all of these new words and letters (LGBTQ…) to distinguish between people. Everyone is just a person….right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: So it sounds like you’re saying we don’t need all of these new words and letters (LGBTQ…) to distinguish between people. Everyone is just a person….right? OH, look who is back from more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, BillStime said: OH, look who is back from more? Likewise…old friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Likewise…old friend I used to respect you. Even impressed with your architectural experience and POV on the new stadium. But in the past couple weeks you showed your true colors; we are not friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: I used to respect you. Even impressed with your architectural experience and POV on the new stadium. But in the past couple weeks you showed your true colors; we are not friends. Because I don’t agree with your opinion on many things. I see. You don’t disagree with people? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, BillStime said: If you don't want a gay marriage - don't have one! If you don't want an abortion - don't have one! If you don't want a slave - don't have one! Edited July 12, 2022 by LeviF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 39 minutes ago, LeviF said: Based on your post here and your post in is in the other thread, It's pretty evident that you're a troll but not a very good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Because I don’t agree with your opinion on many things. I see. You don’t disagree with people? Not when it comes to something as significant as this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: Not when it comes to something as significant as this... But…at the same time YOU demand that they be treated as special. It goes both ways here. You’re just choosing not to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, cle23 said: Based on your post here and your post in is in the other thread, It's pretty evident that you're a troll but not a very good one. Yes, judging by your incredibly serious and intensely consequential debate over whether our gay friends should call their unions “marriage” we really won’t get along. Feel free to ignore and you can post shitlib, midwit tropes in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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