jrober38 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: I agree. Which is why I said two low round picks. A first and a third at least. My bad - I interpreted "low round" as late round picks. I'm not giving that up for a guy who will play 2-3 more years at this level. You make that trade if you're a 7 or 8 win team trying to get over the hump. The Bills have traded away too many picks over the past 2 years and I'd rather see us stockpile picks. Up until now they've valued quality over quantity, but I'd take a different approach this year. We have our building blocks, time to build out the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: The guy is still at the top of his game. 2 years? He's got at least 3 left. Id take 3 years of this Julio and go for the Super Bowl within that time frame then worrying about draft picks. Chances are good the draft picks you are trading away for Julio won't ever be the player Julio is.... and again, $90 million in cap space. Use that to upgrade your roster while making a big trade using draft picks for a WR. Fair enough. Julio has been on a fantasy team of mine for years in a keeper league. He's always nursing some sort of lower body injury and has had ongoing problems with his foot. As he gets older my fear is that he loses a step, and you don't know when that will happen. Father time catches up with everyone, and I don't think Jones is a player who makes us a Super Bowl contender. This draft class looks like it's completely loaded at WR. My preference would be to draft a 21-22 year old kid with 10+ years left than a 30 year old guy with a long history of nagging lower body injuries who only has a few good years left. I wouldn't be upset if we added Jones, but as you said earlier, with how many holes we have I think we need to bank all our draft picks this year by using them on young players who can fill holes, rather than trading away multiple picks for a player who can help immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: The guy is still at the top of his game. 2 years? He's got at least 3 left. Id take 3 years of this Julio and go for the Super Bowl within that time frame then worrying about draft picks. Chances are good the draft picks you are trading away for Julio won't ever be the player Julio is.... and again, $90 million in cap space. Use that to upgrade your roster while making a big trade using draft picks for a WR. I keep hearing the argument that Julio Jones is too old to be trading for. I disagree, rarely do you get an opportunity to have a "Superbowl window" and I think Julio has another 3-5 good years left in him. I happen to be in the camp that Allen will make a big 2nd year jump and that if you surround him with a decent offensive line and a couple really good weapons along with what we have that we will begin entering into our "Superbowl window". And Julio Jones is an elite level WR and if you can get him and he's able to perform at a good to high level for the next 3-5 years then you go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Need at least two. Dawkins is struggling. Outside of Allen, Foster the last few weeks, and Zay here and there, the offensive talent has been non existent. Thats what happens when your HC/GM decide on a 5 year rebuild plan in a modern NFL that doesn't require such a thing. I think we would find Dawkins looked much better with a good LG and C. He looked better last year, next to 'Cog and Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Need at least two. Dawkins is struggling. Outside of Allen, Foster the last few weeks, and Zay here and there, the offensive talent has been non existent. Thats what happens when your HC/GM decide on a 5 year rebuild plan in a modern NFL that doesn't require such a thing. A 5 year rebuild? Lol. You just make stuff up to suit your agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 A successful run game, a successful O line & or coach, a successful WR corp would also help him out in the grand scheme of things !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The Bills have to essentially rebuild the entire offense. Need a C, LG, RG, RT. At least two more WRs(not JAGs), a young RB, and a TE. A lot to accomplish in one offseason. But focusing on the more dire needs of three starting interior offensive lineman and two legitimate starting WRs should be the priority. I actually think that they can get most, if not all, of that done in a single offseason if they're willing to spend the cap room that they have. There are a number of quality OLmen available in FA, so there's no excuse for not coming away with 2 new starters. You can definitely find a solid RB in the mid rounds, and given how few TEs actually produce in the NFL, there's no reason to make that a draft priority either. I'd say there's a reasonable expectation of finding a RB and TE that can contribute as rookies in rounds 3-4. The toughest gets will be WR1 and WR3. I'm fine with Foster as a fringe WR3 guy, and I like Zay as a WR2. I also think that McKenzie can be a nice gadget guy as well. They need to either overpay a guy like Golden Tate or give up the farm in a trade for a WR1. I guess what I'm saying is that it most certainly can be done if they're willing to give up the assets to do so; I'm just not sure that they are willing to give up those assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The McCoy/Ivory thing is not working. At least one of those guys has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Fair enough. Julio has been on a fantasy team of mine for years in a keeper league. He's always nursing some sort of lower body injury and has had ongoing problems with his foot. As he gets older my fear is that he loses a step, and you don't know when that will happen. Father time catches up with everyone, and I don't think Jones is a player who makes us a Super Bowl contender. This draft class looks like it's completely loaded at WR. My preference would be to draft a 21-22 year old kid with 10+ years left than a 30 year old guy with a long history of nagging lower body injuries who only has a few good years left. I wouldn't be upset if we added Jones, but as you said earlier, with how many holes we have I think we need to bank all our draft picks this year by using them on young players who can fill holes, rather than trading away multiple picks for a player who can help immediately. It would be all our preference to have a 21-22 year old stud rather than a 30 year old. The success rate for WR's is ridiculously low. If you pick the wrong one - we know all too well it can destroy your offensive plans. I don't think your quite understanding how hard it is and going to be to fix our WR situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: It would be all our preference to have a 21-22 year old stud rather than a 30 year old. The success rate for WR's is ridiculously low. If you pick the wrong one - we know all too well it can destroy your offensive plans. I don't think your quite understanding how hard it is and going to be to fix our WR situation. There's just as much risk in bringing in a 30 year old WR as there is in drafting a young one....only different KINDS of risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: It would be all our preference to have a 21-22 year old stud rather than a 30 year old. The success rate for WR's is ridiculously low. If you pick the wrong one - we know all too well it can destroy your offensive plans. I don't think your quite understanding how hard it is and going to be to fix our WR situation. It won't be that hard. We need a #1 guy, and a #4 guy. Foster can play, and Jones is fine in the slot. Those two guys are back next year. I agree wide receivers bust frequently, but if there's a year to need a WR this looks like one of the better classes to come around over the past 4-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think we would find Dawkins looked much better with a good LG and C. He looked better last year, next to 'Cog and Wood that one sack he gave up teller just stood there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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