billsfan1959 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Teams with good offenses and good defenses can't beat either the Rams or Cheifs. Those teams look like they're playing a different sport than the one the Bills play. Hard to imagine Josh Allen ever leading an offense like that. Not hard to imagine you can find a way to turn any topic into “Josh Allen sucks.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: What is the ultimate goal of defense in ANY sport? Keeping the other guy from scoring. They failed UTTERLY in that regard. An "UTTER" failure is intercepting the ball 3X? or forcing multiple fumbles? Both teams had 8 sacks and forced 7 punts combined. 3 Drives also ended in FGS. Both teams scored 3 defensive TDs!! How in the hell is that an "UTTER" failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Not hard to imagine you can find a way to turn any topic into “Josh Allen sucks.” What I said applies to 50% of the teams in the NFL. Anyone who can't score 30 points or more a week is in major trouble going forward as the rules are set up more than ever to encourage scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Teams with good offenses and good defenses can't beat either the Rams or Cheifs. Those teams look like they're playing a different sport than the one the Bills play. Hard to imagine Josh Allen ever leading an offense like that. Yes they can. Not all the top offensive powers won it all. Not to take anything from Mahomes because he's playing incredibly right now but he does have All Pros at running back, TE and WR. Has the best playmaker in football in Hill and best tight end with Kelce and one of the best RB's who is a dual threat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Not ENOUGH plays, apparently, as the score was a record one. Three defensive TDs and a fourth TD scored on very next play after a turnover count as part of that record score. It's not all offensive points in this game. I'd say this game had everything: pre-game hype, two scoop and scores, a pick six, multiple sacks, clutch catches, ten TD passes, a goal line stand, a TD drop, excellent punting by the RAMs, a few lead changes, a missed XP by each team, and two interceptions in the last 90 seconds to give the RAMS the win. How could this game have possibly been better? Edited November 20, 2018 by Rock'em Sock'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How Will Rams-Chiefs Impact the Future of the NFL? Monday night's game between the Rams and Chiefs marked a pivotal moment for the NFL. As a result, expect many teams to make major changes this offseason. When something operates at the pace of an AAU basketball game between tireless children, there may not have been enough stoppage time to recognize the strength and direction of the undercurrent surging beneath. Football, after years of being chopped up, hacked into pieces, broken down and frantically welded together, was officially remade on Monday night. And it’s never going back. This is a dumb assessment. 90% of the coaches out there hate this style of play, it’s not sustainable. It’s never been a recipe for a SB win ever. Top 5 offenses in history didn’t win the SB those years. #1 all time (2013 Broncos) got blown out 41-8 by Seahawks. Coaches play for a SB, not for ratings or fantasy football. Playoff football - Defense Matters. Manning 9 times (NFL record) was one and done in playoffs in Indy with Elite offenses. Then he got blown out with best offense all time in SB. He only got his 2nd one cuz of Broncos D and run game when he was worst passer in NFL and worst rating of a winning SB QB in history. If not for the D, his crappy brother would have more SB rings than him. Brees losing records most years he threw for 5000 yards. Rivers never sniffed SB. I mean I can go on and on showing how these insane passing attacks don’t produce SB wins nearly as much as the fan myths lead you to believe. So no, this game isn’t changing much, this was two BAD defenses going up against 2 high powered offenses. And BOTH teams were stupid in this game as both teams had incredible running backs and either cost themselves the game (KC) or nearly cost themselves the game (Rams) because late in when they didn’t run to try and control clock with their potent run game. KC instead had several costly turnovers and Rams did the 3 stupidest play calls in NFL history when they could have damn near sealed the win but instead gave KC a legit shot to comeback WITH a timeout they failed to make them burn. Soooooo stupid. Edited November 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: What I said applies to 50% of the teams in the NFL. Anyone who can't score 30 points or more a week is in major trouble going forward as the rules are set up more than ever to encourage scoring. And yet you singled out Josh Allen, a rookie QB who hasn’t played in five weeks, and has played 20 total quarters of NFL football. No agenda there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: What I said applies to 50% of the teams in the NFL. Anyone who can't score 30 points or more a week is in major trouble going forward as the rules are set up more than ever to encourage scoring. Well that would be only 3 teams right now.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes they can. Not all the top offensive powers won it all. Not to take anything from Mahomes because he's playing incredibly right now but he does have All Pros at running back, TE and WR. Has the best playmaker in football in Hill and best tight end with Kelce and one of the best RB's who is a dual threat.... The rules are drastically different now than they were even three years ago. Scoring is up, QB Rating is up, everything about passing the football is up, and the Bills are chugging along with the worst pass offense in the NFL. They have great weapons, but he's made them all significantly better than they were just a season ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) The current NFL is hugely being remade in the image of the modern college game. And it has to be because the modern players are not being schooled in the old fundamentals once prized by the NFL. Linemen are clueless coming in with the old techniques, QBs don't know how to read complicated defenses, instead relying on mobility and the RPO and so. GB is a perfect example of a classic old NFL approach, grinding away, Rodgers struggling to score 2 or 3 TDs all game long. If you don't like the sort of game we saw last night, I don't think you will be a fan of the NFL going forward. The "old" NFL is as dead as the leather helmet era. The big question for Bills fans: Is our team building towards this new future or is it stuck in the past? Edited November 20, 2018 by yungmack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is a dumb assessment. 90% of the coaches out there hate this style of play, it’s not sustainable. It’s never been a recipe for a SB win ever. Top 5 offenses in history didn’t win the SB those years. #1 all time (2013 Broncos) got blown out 41-8 by Seahawks. Coaches play for a SB, not for ratings or fantasy football. Playoff football - Defense Matters. Manning 9 times (NFL record) was one and done in playoffs in Indy with Elite offenses. Then he got blown out with best offense all time in SB. He only got his 2nd one cuz of Broncos D and run game when he was worst passer in NFL and worst rating of a winning SB QB in history. If not for the D, his crappy brother would have more SB rings than him. Brees losing records most years he threw for 5000 yards. Rivers never sniffed SB. I mean I can go on and on showing how these insane passing attacks don’t produce SB wins nearly as much as the fan myths lead you to believe. So no, this game isn’t changing much, this was too BAD defenses going up against 2 high powered offenses. And BOTH teams were stupid in this game as both teams had incredible running backs and either cost themselves the game (KC) or nearly cost themselves the game (Rams) because late In game wirhnkead then didn’t try and control clock and use their potent run game. KC instead had several costly turnovers and Rams did the 3 stupidest play calls in NFL history when they could have damn near sealed the win and gave KC a legit shot to comeback instead. You must have missed last year's SB between PHI and NE where offense ruled the day with the score of 41-33. It's going to be the same story in SB LIII with the Saints or Rams from the NFC and the Chiefs, Patriots, or Steelers from the AFC. You're obviously not watching the offensive schemes that are succeeding along with the way the game is officiated that puts defense at a distinct disadvantage. Yesterday's gone! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is a dumb assessment. 90% of the coaches out there hate this style of play, it’s not sustainable. It’s never been a recipe for a SB win ever. Top 5 offenses in history didn’t win the SB those years. #1 all time (2013 Broncos) got blown out 41-8 by Seahawks. Coaches play for a SB, not for ratings or fantasy football. Playoff football - Defense Matters. Manning 9 times (NFL record) was one and done in playoffs in Indy with Elite offenses. Then he got blown out with best offense all time in SB. He only got his 2nd one cuz of Broncos D and run game when he was worst passer in NFL and worst rating of a winning SB QB in history. If not for the D, his crappy brother would have more SB rings than him. Brees losing records most years he threw for 5000 yards. Rivers never sniffed SB. I mean I can go on and on showing how these insane passing attacks don’t produce SB wins nearly as much as the fan myths lead you to believe. So no, this game isn’t changing much, this was too BAD defenses going up against 2 high powered offenses. And BOTH teams were stupid in this game as both teams had incredible running backs and either cost themselves the game (KC) or nearly cost themselves the game (Rams) because late In game wirhnkead then didn’t try and control clock and use their potent run game. KC instead had several costly turnovers and Rams did the 3 stupidest play calls in NFL history when they could have damn near sealed the win and gave KC a legit shot to comeback instead. The rules are a lot different now than they were three years ago. This is the future of the NFL, where defenders aren't allowed to play defense the same way they were in the past. You can't touch receivers, you can't touch the QB, you can't hit players coming across the middle. Everything done over the past 2-3 years has been done to encourage passing the football which results in more points. We'll see what happens this year, but it's hard to imagine anyone other than the Rams, Chiefs or Saints winning the Super Bowl at this point, and they're the top 3 teams in scoring. Pittsburgh and New England are probably good long shots, and they're 4th and 7th in scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You must have missed last year's SB between PHI and NE where offense ruled the day with the score of 41-33. It's going to be the same story in SB LIII with the Saints or Rams from the NFC and the Chiefs, Patriots, or Steelers from the AFC. You're obviously not watching the offensive schemes that are succeeding along with the way the game is officiated that puts defense at a distinct disadvantage. Yesterday's gone! I love how 1 game now is the future. Last year Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost. Had they had played ANY D they win. Just because two teams who played no D in the SB last year doesn’t mean that’s now the new recipe lmao. Just like two awful defenses last night aren’t changing coaches minds either. Come on man, that’s absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: And yet you singled out Josh Allen, a rookie QB who hasn’t played in five weeks, and has played 20 total quarters of NFL football. No agenda there... I singled him out because he's the Buffalo Bills QB and this is a Buffalo Bills message board. Who am I supposed to talk about if not our QB? The top teams in the NFL all score upwards of 28 points a game. How on earth are we going to get there from where we are now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I love how 1 game now is the future. Last year Brady threw for over 500 yards and lost. Had they had played ANY D they win. Just because two teams who played no D in the SB last year doesn’t mean that’s now the new recipe lmao. Just like two awful defenses last night aren’t changing coaches minds either. Come on man, that’s absurd. One game? The league is in the midst of an all time offensive explosion. Wake up and watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The rules are drastically different now than they were even three years ago. Scoring is up, QB Rating is up, everything about passing the football is up, and the Bills are chugging along with the worst pass offense in the NFL. They have great weapons, but he's made them all significantly better than they were just a season ago. The top offense 3 years ago or today is still the top offense. The 2015 Panthers were the top offense and would currently be 4th. They looked unstoppable that year.... The 2016 Falcons offense looked unstoppable.... 2013 Broncos offense looked unstoppable.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The rules are a lot different now than they were three years ago. This is the future of the NFL, where defenders aren't allowed to play defense the same way they were in the past. You can't touch receivers, you can't touch the QB, you can't hit players coming across the middle. Everything done over the past 2-3 years has been done to encourage passing the football which results in more points. We'll see what happens this year, but it's hard to imagine anyone other than the Rams, Chiefs or Saints winning the Super Bowl at this point, and they're the top 3 teams in scoring. Pittsburgh and New England are probably good long shots, and they're 4th and 7th in scoring. Sorry that’s fan exaggeration. Rules are not that much different. You couldn’t do any of that stuff 3 years ago either, none of that’s new. The only thing that was different this year was how often they called roughing the passer, but that’s subdued a little as the season has gone on and I suspect they will make some adjustments to that dumb rule this offseason as all the coaches hate the absurd penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I singled him out because he's the Buffalo Bills QB and this is a Buffalo Bills message board. Who am I supposed to talk about if not our QB? The top teams in the NFL all score upwards of 28 points a game. How on earth are we going to get there from where we are now? Earlier you said if you aren't scoring 30 a game....you're in serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: let's all hope he's wrong. Because that's the kind of product I want no part of. It's OK to score. It's NOT ok to allow the other guy to score like that. If the NFL trivializes defense and becomes arena football expect a huge viewership to disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Let’s see how things go in the playoffs. Defense tends to matter in this setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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