Is this a playoff team with Tyrod?

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

You want me to play along and pretend Tyrod hasn’t sucked for the last 3 years ????

 

Get it together man ! 

 

 

Bills were .500 with TT. Lets hope they're .500 the next 2 years without him. And I'm not arguing for TT but against your bad logic.

Edited November 16, 2018 by CuddyDark

[Bing Bong]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

For 2 weeks or so until he churns out one of those 56 yard games 

Jesus the Saints was one game where he got blitzed to oblivion by an extremely good defense. JA does worse! haha he has against worse defenses. I mean you can't really play much worse, but no available quarterback would put up stats on that Saints team with the offense we came in with. they were a superbowl contender LAST year elite on both sides of the ball.

 

We say the Chargers game was unwinnable. No sir, the SAINTS game was unwinnable, the Chargers clearly hadn't put it all together to play well on a weekly basis and do better than 8-8 when they faced adversity.

 

Obviously had the pieces, and were sure to be much improved this year.

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[The Jokeman]

10 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

I didnt know TT could play defense, line, WR and special teams … AND call his own plays!

Well when Tyrod does calls his own plays it leads to him throwing it to KB in the end zone resulting in an offensive pass interference and taking us out of an easier place to score a TD and possibly costing us a playoff game against the Jaguars....

 

To answer the original question, we might have one more win with Tyrod here but I'm all for not making the playoffs this year if means we continued to build a better D from last year and find a better QB than Tyrod. As he was never the full time answer at QB. 

[jrober38]

100%.

 

With this defense, if we had a QB who could generate a QB Rating of about 90 (like Taylor did each of the past two years) instead of a QB Rating in the 60s like our QBs have produced all year, I'm fairly confident we'd be 6-3 instead of 3-6. 

Edited November 16, 2018 by jrober38

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

100%.

 

With this defense, if we had a QB who could generate a QB Rating of about 90 instead of one in the 60s like our QBs have produced all year, I'm fairly confident we'd be 6-3 instead of 3-6. 

Defense was good last year and fluky at times. They look no fluke great. That's really the only difference from this year and last with Tyrod. We went in with Quarterbacks destined to have this offense playing in the sewers.

 

He's also check down to Shady way more which is really what the offense had to do. He had the presence of mind not to throw often the deep balls he would Watkins with Foster and the likes since they don't get separation. He knew they had a better shot letting Shady doa Barry Sanders impression. Knew the team better and knew the receivers sucked compared to the real ones he used to play with.

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[CuddyDark]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

You want me to play along and pretend Tyrod hasn’t sucked for the last 3 years ????

 

Get it together man ! 

 

He was benched after a 19 yard game vs the jets this season 

 

yes those same jets that were down 30 at halftime to Matt Barkley 

 

Game over !    Check and Checkmate ! 

 

 

 

Yeah I watched that game. TT was injured. He wasn't benched. But the Bills started Peterman over JA, you're telling me they wouldn't take TT over JA to start the season?

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Defense was good last year and fluky at times. They look no fluke great. That's really the only difference from this year and last with Tyrod. We went in with Quarterbacks destined to have this offense playing in the sewers.

 

Yeah, it's really hard to win in the NFL when your team's collective QB Rating is 57.

 

If it was 90, this team would be exponentially better due to the vastly improved efficiently at the QB spot. 

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Yeah I watched that game. TT was injured. He wasn't benched. But the Bills started Peterman over JA, you're telling me they wouldn't take TT over JA to start the season?

We're talking the Bills man, Peterman still probably starts the season lmao

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Yeah I watched that game. TT was injured. He wasn't benched. But the Bills started Peterman over JA, you're telling me they wouldn't take TT over JA to start the season?

 

Why would anyone start TT after the Jags game ? 

 

He’s on the bench where he belongs.

[CuddyDark]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

We're talking the Bills man, Peterman still probably starts the season lmao

LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny.

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Why would anyone start TT after the Jags game ? 

 

He’s on the bench where he belongs.

He's on the bench because Mayfield is probably a generational player for the Browns. If he was in Buffalo he'd be starting and we'd be in the PO hunt.

[BigPappy]

People need to just stop with the Tyrod threads. He is not a Buffalo Bill anymore. Get over it and move on. There is no "if he was here, would we be...."  because he isn't. People just got to live in the past don't they? SMDH 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

It’s never a party on this Board until we have a Putin meme.

 

 

...and yes @Royale with Cheese, to beat you to the punch...a communist party.

 

Socialism FTW!

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny.

Maybe with Cogs, Wood, and Glenn still there. All them young bloods barely knew Tyrod the pass catchers were probably pissed he didn't trust him. Shady, Kyle Williams, Hughes, and Clay.. and probably the secondary with horrified flashbacks would literally be the only guys in his corner the way we got gutted.

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny.

He's on the bench because Mayfield is probably a generational player for the Browns. If he was in Buffalo he'd be starting and we'd be in the PO hunt.

 

He's on the bench because he played terribly.  The plan was to have Taylor start this year.

What makes you think that Taylor would have been any different this year in Buffalo?  He has better weapons on offense in Cleveland and was terrible.  He's regressed every year since 2015.

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny.

He's on the bench because Mayfield is probably a generational player for the Browns. If he was in Buffalo he'd be starting and we'd be in the PO hunt.

 

Yup.

 

Mayfield now has his QB Rating up to 87 and is improving every week.

 

If we had him to go along with the #1 defense in the NFL we'd be challenging New England for the Division Title. 

[CuddyDark]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Maybe with Cogs, Wood, and Glenn still there. All them young bloods barely knew Tyrod the pass catchers we're probably pissed he didn't trust him. Shady, Kyle Williams, Hughes, and Clay.. and probably the secondary with horrified flashbacks would literally be the only guys in his corner the way we got gutted.

IDK it seemed like TT had a good relationship with Kyle and ZO.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He's on the bench because he played terribly.  The plan was to have Taylor start this year.

What makes you think that Taylor would have been any different this year in Buffalo?  He has better weapons on offense in Cleveland and was terrible.  He's regressed every year since 2015.

Taylor's career QB Rating is 89.

 

The Bills total QB Rating this year is 57.

 

Hard to imagine any scenario where Taylor stinks it up as badly as our QBs have.

 

If he'd produced his typical 14 TDs, 6 Interceptions type season, with a QB Rating around 90, we'd be in the thick of the playoff race. 

 

People don't seem to understand how truly horrible our QB play has been this season. With mediocre starter level QB play this would be a really good team. 

[HOUSE]

NO

[Bing Bong]

6 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

IDK it seemed like TT had a good relationship with Kyle and ZO.

The vets and good players that had a starting spot last year sure. But we had half the team last year and a lot this year scrapping for a job that didn't really care who was quarterback just wanted whoever makes them look better.

 

"Whoa the Quarterback throws to me when I'm not open!" Team Peterman

"Whoa he doesn't scramble to make a play when I miss my block and get sacked! He throws a pick or incompletion!" Team Peterman

"Hey this Peterman guy is giving me extra reps with the starters on D are gassed this is my chance!" Team Peterman

 

But yeah the defense would be pissed.

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He's on the bench because he played terribly.  The plan was to have Taylor start this year.

What makes you think that Taylor would have been any different this year in Buffalo?  He has better weapons on offense in Cleveland and was terrible.  He's regressed every year since 2015.

Funny thing is he doesn't have to be better. If he's just what he's always been we'd be in the hunt. Even if JA beat TT out he'd be the best backup because he's a team player. He'd be the best backup JA could have at this point. Beane mismanaged the QB position at starter and backup.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, jrober38 said:

Taylor's career QB Rating is 89.

 

The Bills total QB Rating this year is 57.

 

Hard to imagine any scenario where Taylor stinks it up as badly as our QBs have.

 

If he'd produced his typical 14 TDs, 6 Interceptions type season, with a QB Rating around 90, we'd be in the thick of the playoff race. 

 

People don't seem to understand how truly horrible our QB play has been this season. With mediocre starter level QB play this would be a really good team. 

 

Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year?  It's 64.5.  His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down?

 

This is what he did this year with better weapons.

 

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Funny thing is he doesn't have to be better. If he's just what he's always been we'd be in the hunt. Even if JA beat TT out he'd be the best backup because he's a team player. He'd be the best backup JA could have at this point. Beane mismanaged the QB position at starter and backup.

 

But he hasn't been better.  He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks.

[Bing Bong]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year?  It's 64.5.  His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down?

 

This is what he did this year with better weapons.

 

His team got worse every year. And that's 2.25 games with one 94.6 = Buffalo win, Browns loss.

 

Why would we weigh 1/8th of a season equally to other seasons lol

 

Take his career numbers and just think he lost at least one starting caliber receiver with no replacement every year.

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[jrober38]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year?  It's 64.5.  His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down?

 

This is what he did this year with better weapons.

 

 

The sample size is a bit small to try and draw meaningful conclusions from.

For a guy who throws interceptions about as infrequently as anyone in the league to throw 2 in 40 attempts, it's going to make the bottom line look pretty bad. 

 

Over the course of 300 passes, that number would go up dramatically. Taylor is a low ceiling, high floor type player who isn't going to lose many games.  He takes care of the football which is something our QBs haven't done all year.

 

Again, the Bills QBs have a collective QB Rating of 57 over 317 pass attempts. That's the lowest total since the 2010 Carolina Panthers. 

[Teddy KGB]

19 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny.

He's on the bench because Mayfield is probably a generational player for the Browns. If he was in Buffalo he'd be starting and we'd be in the PO hunt.

 

This is fake news 

 

He sucked he got benched, wouldn’t the generational player be the guy in KC whose actually doing things ? 

 

Mayfield looked like crap vs Tampa’s terrible defense 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

His team got worse every year. And that's 2.25 games with one 94.6 = Buffalo win, Browns loss.

 

So I guess that 1 TD, 94.6 rating game makes up for the 2 others in which he was awful?  Mayfield was supposed to sit and learn this year but Taylor couldn't hold onto the job.

His offensive talent this year is better than Buffalo's this year and he was going to be better here?

[CuddyDark]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year?  It's 64.5.  His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down?

 

This is what he did this year with better weapons.

 

 

But he hasn't been better.  He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks.

He doesn't have to be better, being what he always is makes him better than everyone we have this season. Also why would anyone judge a career off two games against two of the best teams in football and a third game where he was injured. Take his career average. His career average makes us a PO contender.

[jrober38]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

But he hasn't been better.  He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks.

 

Which number is higher?

 

64 or 57? 

 

Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The sample size is a bit small to try and draw meaningful conclusions from.

For a guy who throws interceptions about as infrequently as anyone in the league to throw 2 in 40 attempts, it's going to make the bottom line look pretty bad. 

 

Over the course of 300 passes, that number would go up dramatically. Taylor is a low ceiling, high floor type player who isn't going to lose many games.  He takes care of the football which is something our QBs haven't done all year.

 

Again, the Bills QBs have a collective QB Rating of 57 over 317 pass attempts. That's the lowest total since the 2010 Carolina Panthers. 

 

He regressed every year.  The passing offense was never good here even.  It continued in Cleveland.  This is a 4 year pattern.

He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative.  That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low.

 

[CuddyDark]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

This is fake news 

 

He sucked he got benched, wouldn’t the generational player be the guy in KC whose actually doing things ? 

Fact say he got injured and never got the job back. You say whatever you makeup in your mind. Generational player for the Browns. Meaning the best QB the Browns have had in a generation.

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Which number is higher?

 

64 or 57? 

 

Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. 

 

Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??‍♂️??‍♂️

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Which number is higher?

 

64 or 57? 

 

Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. 

 

This isn't a very good argument JRober and I think you know it.  The difference between 57 and  64 rating is very small.  

[CuddyDark]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He regressed every year.  The passing offense was never good here even.  It continued in Cleveland.  This is a 4 year pattern.

He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative.  That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low.

 

That's also why his Bills teams finished .500. That and having the #1 running game, which he's probably 30 or 40% responsible for.

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This isn't a very good argument JRober and I think you know it.  The difference between 57 and  64 rating is very small.  

Might be big enough to beat the Texans.

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He regressed every year.  The passing offense was never good here even.  It continued in Cleveland.  This is a 4 year pattern.

He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative.  That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low.

 

 

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bills have the worst QB play the NFL has seen in 9 years. 

 

Everything you said is correct. What you're missing, is that even with all those things being correct, Tyrod Taylor is still a much better QB than anyone on our roster.

 

The Bills QBs in 2018 have been historically awful. Taylor isn't a good player, but he's not even remotely close to as bad as any of the guys we've trotted out this year. 

 

Taylor's yards are better than any of our QBs who can't 'complete passes, don't throw touchdowns, and frequently turn the ball over. 

Tyrod is a limited QB, who is below average by NFL standards with no upside.

 

The Bills QBs in 2018 have been a complete train wreck by ever measure available. 

Edited November 16, 2018 by jrober38

[Bing Bong]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So I guess that 1 TD, 94.6 rating game makes up for the 2 others in which he was awful?  Mayfield was supposed to sit and learn this year but Taylor couldn't hold onto the job.

His offensive talent this year is better than Buffalo's this year and he was going to be better here?

No he would have won on this defense. Different teams dude.

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Fact say he got injured and never got the job back. You say whatever you makeup in your mind. Generational player for the Browns. Meaning the best QB the Browns have had in a generation.

 

Facts are he had 19 yards passing.      Facts are he couldn’t win a game with 6 turnovers. 

 

You know this, stop playing games.     Adios muchacho.  

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

Allen has looked exactly like the scouting reports said he'd look.

 

Inconsistent accuracy, poor pocket presence, and limited ability to read a defense. 

 

He's got a big arm and can run around, but it doesn't amount to much yet. 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

He doesn't have to be better, being what he always is makes him better than everyone we have this season. Also why would anyone judge a career off two games against two of the best teams in football and a third game where he was injured. Take his career average. His career average makes us a PO contender.

 

The Jets are one of the worst teams in football, we just had a guy without a lot of weapons on offense who hasn't played since 2016 put up a great game.  Taylor had 14 yards at halftime against the Jets.

 

Take his career average when the pattern is declining every year?  If we're using that logic, Sam Bradford posting a 62.5 passer rating this year but since he's got a career average of 84.5....he's still good.

4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

That's also why his Bills teams finished .500. That and having the #1 running game, which he's probably 30 or 40% responsible for.

Might be big enough to beat the Texans.

 

Are we ignoring we lost Richie Incognito and Eric Wood?  40% of our starting offensive line?  Both positions have had their starters replaced because the ones who filled in for them were terrible.

[Bing Bong]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??‍♂️??‍♂️

cmon man, anti project rookie quarterbacks the coaches didn't intend to start in the first place? sure we'll crusade on that platform where Peterman ends up starting on that basis

 

Baker ain't no project rookie, I questioned why he didn't start in the first place, I'm sure he won camp.

Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bills have the worst QB play the NFL has seen in 9 years. 

 

Everything you said is correct. What you're missing, is that even with all those things being correct, Tyrod Taylor is still a much better QB than anyone on our roster.

 

The Bills QBs in 2018 have been historically awful. Taylor isn't a good player, but he's not even remotely close to as bad as any of the guys we've trotted out this year. 

 

Taylor's yards are better than any of our QBs who can't 'complete passes, don't throw touchdowns, and frequently turn the ball over. 

Tyrod is a limited QB, who is below average by NFL standards with no upside.

 

The Bills QBs in 2018 have been a complete train wreck by ever measure available. 

 

Yes the Bills QB's have been historically awful.  I don't think Taylor changes that much at all because we would still have the same problems.  

The excuse for Taylor why we didn't have a passing offense in Buffalo is because of the lack of weapons....still don't have weapons.  Cleveland had better weapons and he lasted until week 3 until he was benched.  

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

cmon man, anti project rookie quarterbacks the coaches didn't intend to start in the first place? sure we'll crusade on that platform where Peterman ends up starting on that basis

 

Peterman had to start after Tyrods ineptitude as well.       I’ll give the rookie 2 years before I start to crucify him.