California wildfires

[ExiledInIllinois]

21 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

That pompous !@#$ needs to blame himself. It's overpopulation and Californians being too stupid to realize the importance of controlled Burns. Since California  wont do it may choose doing it itself.  

 

I have little empathy for those affected by this by choosing to live in a place so backwards that it will not protect its citizens en masse to  protect the feelings of those too stupid to realize how naturer works

Harsh... But true.  They need to start bringing some economic value to that forest floor if they want all those people living there.  It's the only way to control the "fuel load."

 

I said... IF... IF they want the population living around it the forest.  IF the population is low... Then it can "burn baby burn."

 

What's going to be the incentive to do things "right?"

 

You can't just blame global warming. Global warming is happening, deal with it. Sure get me to change in Illinois... I don't live in a freaking fire zone and build wooden structures!

 

I am a good socialist, but not that devout.  Bring an economic incentive to manage that fuel load every 30-50 years... In rotation, just like a crop. Yet, they blame the boogeyman Climate Change (sure climate change IS happening no doubt) because they want to live in perpetual paradise and somebody else foot the bill.

 

/smh

 

Sam Kinison nailed it with the desert bit.  Except, they encroach on a fire zone without taking the load off (population vs. fuel):

 

 

[boyst]

44 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Harsh... But true.  They need to start bringing some economic value to that forest floor if they want all those people living there.  It's the only way to control the "fuel load."

 

I said... IF... IF they want the population living around it the forest.  IF the population is low... Then it can "burn baby burn."

 

What's going to be the incentive to do things "right?"

 

You can't just blame global warming. Global warming is happening, deal with it. Sure get me to change in Illinois... I don't live in a freaking fire zone and build wooden structures!

 

I am a good socialist, but not that devout.  Bring an economic incentive to manage that fuel load every 30-50 years... In rotation, just like a crop. Yet, they blame the boogeyman Climate Change (sure climate change IS happening no doubt) because they want to live in perpetual paradise and somebody else foot the bill.

 

/smh

 

Sam Kinison nailed it with the desert bit.  Except, they encroach on a fire zone without taking the load off (population vs. fuel):

 

 

There doesn't need to be an economic incentive. Harvesting wood would pulp and all of that is its own incentive. Not only that but the US has policy to dictate forestry management. There are a couple Federal forests in North Carolina and they do many controlled Burns. 

 

North Carolina has very similar topography to California and we get quite a bit of wildfires. But we manage our forests a hell of a lot better, and we don't have butthurts trying to interfere with nature at every turn

Edited November 13, 2018 by Boyst62

[Chef Jim]

Harvest the wood pulp?  ?. Again guys sure the tragedy in Paradise was forest but the vast majority of our destructive fires here start and spread through low lying scrub. We do what we can to mitigate the damage by requiring people to clear brush from around their homes but when the Santa Ana’s blow little good it does. And yes you are all right when you say overpopulation is the problem.  That, by the way, is the cause of a lot of problems in the world. 

Edited November 13, 2018 by Chef Jim

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Harvest the wood pulp?  ?. Again guys sure the tragedy in Paradise was forest but the vast majority of our destructive fires here start and spread through low lying scrub. We do what we can to mitigate the damage by requiring people to clear brush from around their homes but when the Santa Ana’s blow little good it does. And yes you are all right when you say overpopulation is the problem.  That, by the way, is the cause of a lot of problems in the world. 

Did you read the Forbes article I posted above.  The regulations are oppressive.

 

"...The landscape filled in with trees, but the trees were harvested every 30 to 50 years. In the 1990s, however, that cycle began to be disrupted with increasingly burdensome regulations. The timber harvest cycle slowed, and, in some areas, stopped completely, especially on the almost 60% of California forest land owned by thefederal government. Federal lands have not been managed for decades..."

 

Sure... Get rid of the "kindling" too...

[Just Jack]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And yes you are all right when you say overpopulation is the problem.  That, by the way, is the cause of a lot of problems in the world. 

 

Im voting Thanos for President 2020

[Marv's Neighbor]

16 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Wouldn't they clear the underbrush/growth away?  Like we use to manage the forests:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/07/30/californias-devastating-fires-are-man-caused-but-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/#305da5d870af

"As the Gold Rush remade modern California, timber was harvested and replanted. Fires were suppressed because they threatened homes as well as burned up a valuable resource. The landscape filled in with trees, but the trees were harvested every 30 to 50 years. In the 1990s, however, that cycle began to be disrupted with increasingly burdensome regulations. The timber harvest cycle slowed, and, in some areas, stopped completely, especially on the almost 60% of California forest land owned by the federal government. Federal lands have not been managed for decades, threatening adjacent private forests, while federal funds designated for forest maintenance have been “borrowed” for fire suppression expenses.  The policies frequently reduce the economic value of the forest to zero. And, with no intrinsic worth remaining, interest in maintaining the forest declined, and with it, resources to reduce the fuel load."

Not a word about Global Warming?  Has Gov Brown seen this?

[TheElectricCompany]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

North Carolina has very similar topography to California

 

Try again. 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

Try again. 

Try again how?  It is a fact.

[707BillsFan]

On 11/10/2018 at 1:03 PM, KD in CA said:

Yep....smokey sky today.  No hiking.  

Cleared up a bit here in NorCal yesterday, I was able to get out for a hike. Not going to stop me today either...unlike the schools, which are closed for the second day in a row (Friday and today). Sure the air is smoky, but keep the kids inside if you're worried about air quality...or give them a mask. 

[Helpmenow]

58 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Try again how?  It is a fact.

Carolina isn’t dry and isn’t surrounded by mountains. Let’s see California has numerous mountains that over 14,000’ feet in elevation. Carolina has none. 

Edited November 13, 2018 by Helpmenow

[Chef Jim]

9 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

Carolina isn’t dry and isn’t surrounded by mountains. Let’s see California has numerous mountains that over 14,000’ feet in elevation. Carolina has none. 

 

Other than that Carolina is EXACTLY like California.  I have a feeling Boyst has never visited California. 

[Helpmenow]

That is a given I bet,  by the way I am an earth scientist with over thirty years of experience. 

 

Also where is the Central Valley in Carolina.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Helpmenow

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

Not a word about Global Warming?  Has Gov Brown seen this?

Not that Global Warming ain't happening.  I simply don't give a *****.  The whole world ain't going to change because of poor California or poor whoever (including Me!).  Poor California can help itself, limit the development, manage the forest fuel... Instead blaming the whole earth.

 

The last great migration was the Dust Bowl years.  People walked to California.  They may have to walk somewhere else now or solve the human problems with the land and the weather like we did with respect to the Dust Bowl Era.  Dry land farming was dialed in. We can manage the forests better, learn from past.

 

Adapt and overcome.

[TheElectricCompany]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

Try again how?  It is a fact.

Spoken like someone who has never visited CA, or even looked at a map of it. 

CA cannot be described in generic terms. It covers nearly every biome in existence. 

 

[boyst]

57 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

Carolina isn’t dry and isn’t surrounded by mountains. Let’s see California has numerous mountains that over 14,000’ feet in elevation. Carolina has none. 

Carolina may not have the height of mountains, sure.  It does have the highest point east of the Mississippi, though.

 

The topography is what I said; the climate is not.  The climate doesn't have everything to do with it, nature does.  Nature clenses with fire itself like a lemon juice tumeric blowout clense.

 

The first in NC impact the densely packed areas greatly due to overpopulation.  In the less dense areas controlled Burns are frequent and very organized; in populated areas they're not so frequent.

14 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Spoken like someone who has never visited CA, or even looked at a map of it. 

CA cannot be described in generic terms. It covers nearly every biome in existence. 

 

I've been to CA...

 

And I spoke of topography, not of much else. Vastly covered woodlands in mountainous regions that are not accessible.

[TheElectricCompany]

23 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

 

I've been to CA...

And I spoke of topography, not of much else. Vastly covered woodlands in mountainous regions that are not accessible.

LOL - yeah, still not even close. 

Just keep on digging bud. 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said:

LOL - yeah, still not even close. 

Just keep on digging bud. 

If I did Puerto Rico might tip over. 

[Marv's Neighbor]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Not that Global Warming ain't happening.  I simply don't give a *****.  The whole world ain't going to change because of poor California or poor whoever (including Me!).  Poor California can help itself, limit the development, manage the forest fuel... Instead blaming the whole earth.

 

The last great migration was the Dust Bowl years.  People walked to California.  They may have to walk somewhere else now or solve the human problems with the land and the weather like we did with respect to the Dust Bowl Era.  Dry land farming was dialed in. We can manage the forests better, learn from past.

 

Adapt and overcome.

Seems that California has Always been a popular walking destination.

27 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

If I did Puerto Rico might tip over. 

Is that you, Congressman Hank Johnson?

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, 707BillsFan said:

Cleared up a bit here in NorCal yesterday, I was able to get out for a hike. Not going to stop me today either...unlike the schools, which are closed for the second day in a row (Friday and today). Sure the air is smoky, but keep the kids inside if you're worried about air quality...or give them a mask. 

 

Oh yeah, kids have had inside recess, lunch, etc since Thursday.  They're all going stir crazy.   It doesn't smell smoky anymore but you can tell the air is dirty.

[Fires]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

Carolina may not have the height of mountains, sure.  It does have the highest point east of the Mississippi, though.

 

   I'm between Franklin and Highlands and my house is at 3500'. There's several 5-6000 ft mountains around. Wish I could find the video of the Pigeon Forge fire, it looked very similar to the one posted of people drIving through the fire.