(hypothetical) Alabama vs. Bills spread

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Pretty much every starter on that current defense will get to the NFL, whether it is this year or next

 

1.  I seriously doubt all 11 starters all make the NFL.

 

2.  Nathan Peterman made the NFL, so even if your prediction comes true, it means nothing.

 

3.  Making the NFL doesn’t mean they will be good players in the NFL or even starters, let alone lasting players.

 

4.  That Alabama D is not remotely close to as good as the Jax D we just beat and put up 24 points on.  And Josh did that after missing 4 weeks.

 

There is no chance Alabama could beat the Bills. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

1.  I seriously doubt all 11 starters all make the NFL.

 

2.  Nathan Peterman made the NFL, so even if your prediction comes true, it means nothing.

 

3.  Making the NFL doesn’t mean they will be good players in the NFL or even starters, let alone lasting players.

 

4.  That Alabama D is not remotely close to as good as the Jax D we just beat and put up 24 points on.  And Josh did that after missing 4 weeks.

 

There is no chance Alabama could beat the Bills. 

Alabama’s defense MIGHT be 50% as good as that Jacksonville defense (that’s being generous). So in my estimation we’d beat them 48-0 or something similar. 

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Alabama’s defense MIGHT be 50% as good as that Jacksonville defense (that’s being generous). So in my estimation we’d beat them 48-0 or something similar. 

 

you don't win 48-0

 

you get up 21-0 and then put in the garbagetime D and the other team scores a few cheap TDs and it winds up 28-20 and the fans of the losing team boast they almost won

 

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by row_33

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

1.  I seriously doubt all 11 starters all make the NFL.

 

2.  Nathan Peterman made the NFL, so even if your prediction comes true, it means nothing.

 

3.  Making the NFL doesn’t mean they will be good players in the NFL or even starters, let alone lasting players.

 

4.  That Alabama D is not remotely close to as good as the Jax D we just beat and put up 24 points on.  And Josh did that after missing 4 weeks.

 

There is no chance Alabama could beat the Bills. 

 

Beat isn't the argument. Argument is the spread. And as I have demonstrated just from last year's Bama D all 11 starters made or will certainly make the league. 5 are already playing decent or very good football in the NFL. 

 

That defense could compete with bottom of the league offenses. I am not arguing the point on the Alabama offense because while that has some guys who will play and play well in the league it has some guys who likely won't ever play a down of pro football too. 

 

And there is no point quoting Peterman at me because the same eyes that tell me that Bama defense is stacked with future NFL players and many of them high quality NFL starters told me that Nathan Peterman had no business being in the league right from the start. 

 

1 hour ago, mannc said:

And that doesn’t even account for Quinnen Williams, who could be picked as high as 2 overall this year, or a couple of other defenders who will go in round 1 in April.

 

Yep. That is just guys who "started" last year. Alabama is not your standard college defense with 6 future NFL players and 5 future car salesmen or grocery baggers. These are NFL talents many of them upper end NFL talents. 

Edited November 27, 2018 by GunnerBill

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

you don't win 48-0

 

you get up 21-0 and then put in the garbagetime D and the other team scores a few cheap TDs and it winds up 28-20 and the fans of the losing team boast they almost won

 

 

Two weeks ago the Saints beat the Eagles, defending Super Bowl champions and actual NFL team, by 41. You saying the Bills couldn't beat a bunch of 17 year olds by that scoreline?

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Two weeks ago the Saints beat the Eagles, defending Super Bowl champions and actual NFL team, by 41. You saying the Bills couldn't beat a bunch of 17 year olds by that scoreline?

Here comes the hyperbole police....who on Alabama is 17? 

 

Robert Foster is a 24 year old rookie. Last year he was a 23 year old college kid. Tre White was a 22 year old rookie. Tremaine Edmunds is a 20 year old starting MLB. Jonah Williams is a 21 year old LT. The point is the overwhelming majority of guys playing at Alabama are as old as the young guys on the Bills.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[GoBills808]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Here comes the hyperbole police....who on Alabama is 17? 

 

Robert Foster is a 24 year old rookie. Last year he was a 23 year old college kid. Tre White was a 22 year old rookie. Tremaine Edmunds is a 20 year old starting MLB. Jonah Williams is a 21 year old LT. The point is the overwhelming majority of guys playing at Alabama are as old as the young guys on the Bills.

?

 

It takes a year or two to get your feet wet for the vast majority of guys. Edmunds, who I love, isn't dominating like he did in college. Neither did Dareus or Clowney. Lacy did but Ingram didn't, and Richardson never did. OJ Howard didn't, Kouandijo didn't, Kirkpatrick didn't, McCarron/McElroy/Croyle didn't. Most of them needed time to develop at the pro level. They would get absolutely smashed, to a man, at pretty much every position simply because they aren't up to NFL speed/strength/power yet. You need to be exposed to the pro game and practice against other pros and experience it to be able to compete at that level. You can't just throw a bunch of college kids in against a pro team and expect it not to be a bloodbath.

 

The best example of this I can give is Reggie Bush. He was maybe the best college player of all time imo. He was physically superior to every single other college athlete on the field, in any game at any time. You can't overstate how absolutely dominant he was, possibly the most overwhelming ever when compared to his peers. He was that good. Then he got to the pros and he was simply average, athletically. He wasn't the fastest anymore, he couldn't get the edge on NFL DEs, never mind outrun OLBs and safeties. He couldn't shed tacklers because they were all stronger than he was, whereas in college he had been stronger than the guys attempting to tackle him. He wasn't as quick as NFL corners and he couldn't juke his way to 75 yard TD runs. He went from being one of the most physically imposing college players EVER to literally JAG in the pros. 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beat isn't the argument. Argument is the spread. And as I have demonstrated just from last year's Bama D all 11 starters made or will certainly make the league. 5 are already playing decent or very good football in the NFL. 

 

That defense could compete with bottom of the league offenses. I am not arguing the point on the Alabama offense because while that has some guys who will play and play well in the league it has some guys who likely won't ever play a down of pro football too. 

 

And there is no point quoting Peterman at me because the same eyes that tell me that Bama defense is stacked with future NFL players and many of them high quality NFL starters told me that Nathan Peterman had no business being in the league right from the start. 

 

 

Yep. That is just guys who "started" last year. Alabama is not your standard college defense with 6 future NFL players and 5 future car salesmen or grocery baggers. These are NFL talents many of them upper end NFL talents. 

 

Ha, ok now that’s a ridiculous qualifier, you’re a good poster who I respect, but that was a bit comedic.  If believing a noodle arm, unheralded QB was gonna suck in the NFL is the barometer to validate everyone’s football comments, then 98% of the free world would be right about everything they say regarding football.  Only people here thought he could play.  So sorry, that doesn’t make your Alabama comments more valid lol.  

 

Second, who has the better NFL defense?  Alabama or Jacksonville?  Alabama or Vikings?  Alabama or Jets?

 

Hint:  None of the answers are Alabama.  

 

Bills beat those defenses up.  Vikes were Allen’s second start and first road game.  Jets were a guy in Barkley coming off injury who had a week and a half to learn a playbook.  Jags was Allen’s first game back after missing 4 games with an injury.

 

And despite what your “eyes” tell you...there are not 11 NFL starting players in Alabama’s defense even if all 11 make the NFL in some capacity.  And the bust rate of all positions is greater than 50%, and that’s just the first round.  It’s much much higher with each passing round.  So even IF they all make the NFL the odds are at least 2/3 of them will not be good NFL players because all 11 of those guys are not first round prospects.  

 

In the NFL, you’ve got 11 guys who not only

made the NFL and are starters, but also contain all pros and even future HOF guys.  And most importantly, have played and adjusted to the NFL speed and game. 

 

Fuethermore, most college players don’t just come in and in week 1 dominate.  Some take weeks, even a full season, and even multiple seasons before they reach their NFL potential.  So to just think a bunch of college kids are gonna come in and make an impact against an NFL offense is silly even if those kids will eventually play in the NFL.

 

Just like how people were all saying Duke could beat the Cavs then went out and lost to a college team themselves.  

 

Not only is there zero percent chance Alabama could beat the Bills, there is a zero percent chance they would cover the spread.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Not only is there zero percent chance Alabama could beat the Bills, there is a zero percent chance they would cover the spread.

 

I can't believe this foolishness is STILL going on.

 

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Ha, ok now that’s a ridiculous qualifier, you’re a good poster who I respect, but that was a bit comedic.  If believing a noodle arm, unheralded QB was gonna suck in the NFL is the barometer to validate everyone’s football comments, then 98% of the free world would be right about everything they say regarding football.  Only people here thought he could play.  So sorry, that doesn’t make your Alabama comments more valid lol.  

 

Second, who has the better NFL defense?  Alabama or Jacksonville?  Alabama or Vikings?  Alabama or Jets?

 

Hint:  None of the answers are Alabama.  

 

Bills beat those defenses up.  Vikes were Allen’s second start and first road game.  Jets were a guy in Barkley coming off injury who had a week and a half to learn a playbook.  Jags was Allen’s first game back after missing 4 games with an injury.

 

And despite what your “eyes” tell you...there are not 11 NFL starting players in Alabama’s defense even if all 11 make the NFL in some capacity.  And the bust rate of all positions is greater than 50%, and that’s just the first round.  It’s much much higher with each passing round.  So even IF they all make the NFL the odds are at least 2/3 of them will not be good NFL players because all 11 of those guys are not first round prospects.  

 

In the NFL, you’ve got 11 guys who not only

made the NFL and are starters, but also contain all pros and even future HOF guys.  And most importantly, have played and adjusted to the NFL speed and game. 

 

Fuethermore, most college players don’t just come in and in week 1 dominate.  Some take weeks, even a full season, and even multiple seasons before they reach their NFL potential.  So to just think a bunch of college kids are gonna come in and make an impact against an NFL offense is silly even if those kids will eventually play in the NFL.

 

Just like how people were all saying Duke could beat the Cavs then went out and lost to a college team themselves.  

 

Not only is there zero percent chance Alabama could beat the Bills, there is a zero percent chance they would cover the spread.

 

i assume those who disagree with your last line are mostly tongue-in-cheek about it... 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

you don't win 48-0

 

you get up 21-0 and then put in the garbagetime D and the other team scores a few cheap TDs and it winds up 28-20 and the fans of the losing team boast they almost won

 

 

 

No you don’t.  If there was a real Bills vs Alabama game there is zero percent chance the Bills and the NFL would want the final score close, they would not let off the gas until the bitter end.  Winning a close game would be almost as bad as a loss.

 

Bills win big and by 40+

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No you don’t.  If there was a real Bills vs Alabama game there is zero percent chance the Bills and the NFL would want the final score close, they would not let off the gas until the bitter end.  Winning a close game would be almost as bad as a loss.

 

Bills win big and by 40+

 

if Bama kids mouthed off about teachin the old men a lesson, i guess

 

i'm used to teams going to garbagetime mode against the Bills for 2 decades, often in the second quarter, so i guess I take that tradition a little too far sometimes

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

if Bama kids mouthed off about teachin the old men a lesson, i guess

 

i'm used to teams going to garbagetime mode against the Bills for 2 decades, often in the second quarter, so i guess I take that tradition a little too far sometimes

 

 

 

Ha fair enough #BillsPain

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I can't believe this foolishness is STILL going on.

 

 

I can’t believe we haven’t even established whose rules and field yet 

[Chicken Boo]

7 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

I believe that against the right team, you could confidently take the under. 

2001 Hurricanes against the 2016 Browns and you're under 2 TDs. 

 

With Ken Dorsey at QB and how many NFL caliber o-lineman?  I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Chicken Boo

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Ha, ok now that’s a ridiculous qualifier, you’re a good poster who I respect, but that was a bit comedic.  If believing a noodle arm, unheralded QB was gonna suck in the NFL is the barometer to validate everyone’s football comments, then 98% of the free world would be right about everything they say regarding football.  Only people here thought he could play.  So sorry, that doesn’t make your Alabama comments more valid lol.  

 

Second, who has the better NFL defense?  Alabama or Jacksonville?  Alabama or Vikings?  Alabama or Jets?

 

Hint:  None of the answers are Alabama.  

 

Bills beat those defenses up.  Vikes were Allen’s second start and first road game.  Jets were a guy in Barkley coming off injury who had a week and a half to learn a playbook.  Jags was Allen’s first game back after missing 4 games with an injury.

 

And despite what your “eyes” tell you...there are not 11 NFL starting players in Alabama’s defense even if all 11 make the NFL in some capacity.  And the bust rate of all positions is greater than 50%, and that’s just the first round.  It’s much much higher with each passing round.  So even IF they all make the NFL the odds are at least 2/3 of them will not be good NFL players because all 11 of those guys are not first round prospects.  

 

In the NFL, you’ve got 11 guys who not only

made the NFL and are starters, but also contain all pros and even future HOF guys.  And most importantly, have played and adjusted to the NFL speed and game. 

 

Fuethermore, most college players don’t just come in and in week 1 dominate.  Some take weeks, even a full season, and even multiple seasons before they reach their NFL potential.  So to just think a bunch of college kids are gonna come in and make an impact against an NFL offense is silly even if those kids will eventually play in the NFL.

 

Just like how people were all saying Duke could beat the Cavs then went out and lost to a college team themselves.  

 

Not only is there zero percent chance Alabama could beat the Bills, there is a zero percent chance they would cover the spread.

 

You were the one trying to quote Peterman at me! I agree he is no qualifier for anyone but then don't hold him up as some evidence of anything. He is literally the worst Quarterback to start multiple NFL games in a quarter of a decade if not more. 

 

As for the Alabama defense.... that 2017 starting defense has 5 guys already playing at a good level in the NFL. This is the point. The odds are not the same when you are talking about defensive players who have come out of the University of Alabama over the last 4 or 5 years. It isn't 2/3 that fail. 

 

By the time the 2019 draft is done I think it is safe to assume that of those 11 2017 starters 8 will have been drafted in the first 4 rounds. Possibly 9 Miller I am not sure quite where he ends up going late day 2 is probably the ceiling day 3 more likely. 

 

Let's assume it is 8. Over the last FIVE drafts 20 Alabama defenders have been drafted in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Here they are:

 

CJ Mosely

Ha-Ha Clinton Dix

Landon Collins

Reggie Ragland

A'Shawn Robinson

Jarran Reed

Cyrus Jones

Marlon Humphrey

Jonathan Allen

Reuben Foster

Ryan Anderson

Dalvin Tomlinson

Tim Williams

Eddie Jackson

Minkah Fitzpatrick

Da'ron Payne

Rashaard Evans

Ronnie Harrison

Da'Shawn Hand

Anthony Averett

 

That is a mighty impressive list. The first 3 on it were all pro-bowlers within 3 years and when you read down after that these are not just guys, they are not just starters, they are in the vast majority of cases among the best 2 or 3 players on their defenses. These are high, high calibre guys. 

 

Try finding a bust on there. I can find one - Cyrus Jones who the Patriots drafted in the 2nd round in 2016 and released after 2 seasons with the team. He is now playing a special teamer in Baltimore. The second closest is Reggie Ragland where we all know the story pretty well but he is now a week in week out starter for the Chiefs (though a very average one). The third you might claim is Reuben Foster who has been a darn good footballer when he has been on the field but has had problems off it. Washington have just signed him but he is living in the last chance saloon we all agree. 

 

So say I give you 3. That is 3/20. That isn't close to two thirds, it isn't close to 50% it isn't even a 25% bust rate. This is the point. 

 

Even if people still think the Bills or the Cardinals or the 49ers... whoever.... cover their spread against Alabama - they have to stop parroting out this "College teams have great players and players who will never play in the pros." Picking a defensive starter from Nick Saban's Alabama Crimson Tide is just about the safest pick in the NFL draft. Overwhelmingly they are high level NFL contributors. 

 

This is not like any other college team. These guys are churning out pro-ready, high level NFL defenders year after year. 

[Alphadawg7]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You were the one trying to quote Peterman at me! I agree he is no qualifier for anyone but then don't hold him up as some evidence of anything. He is literally the worst Quarterback to start multiple NFL games in a quarter of a decade if not more. 

 

As for the Alabama defense.... that 2017 starting defense has 5 guys already playing at a good level in the NFL. This is the point. The odds are not the same when you are talking about defensive players who have come out of the University of Alabama over the last 4 or 5 years. It isn't 2/3 that fail. 

 

By the time the 2019 draft is done I think it is safe to assume that of those 11 2017 starters 8 will have been drafted in the first 4 rounds. Possibly 9 Miller I am not sure quite where he ends up going late day 2 is probably the ceiling day 3 more likely. 

 

Let's assume it is 8. Over the last FIVE drafts 20 Alabama defenders have been drafted in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Here they are:

 

CJ Mosely

Ha-Ha Clinton Dix

Landon Collins

Reggie Ragland

A'Shawn Robinson

Jarran Reed

Cyrus Jones

Marlon Humphrey

Jonathan Allen

Reuben Foster

Ryan Anderson

Dalvin Tomlinson

Tim Williams

Eddie Jackson

Minkah Fitzpatrick

Da'ron Payne

Rashaard Evans

Ronnie Harrison

Da'Shawn Hand

Anthony Averett

 

That is a mighty impressive list. The first 3 on it were all pro-bowlers within 3 years and when you read down after that these are not just guys, they are not just starters, they are in the vast majority of cases among the best 2 or 3 players on their defenses. These are high, high calibre guys. 

 

Try finding a bust on there. I can find one - Cyrus Jones who the Patriots drafted in the 2nd round in 2016 and released after 2 seasons with the team. He is now playing a special teamer in Baltimore. The second closest is Reggie Ragland where we all know the story pretty well but he is now a week in week out starter for the Chiefs (though a very average one). The third you might claim is Reuben Foster who has been a darn good footballer when he has been on the field but has had problems off it. Washington have just signed him but he is living in the last chance saloon we all agree. 

 

So say I give you 3. That is 3/20. That isn't close to two thirds, it isn't close to 50% it isn't even a 25% bust rate. This is the point. 

 

Even if people still think the Bills or the Cardinals or the 49ers... whoever.... cover their spread against Alabama - they have to stop parroting out this "College teams have great players and players who will never play in the pros." Picking a defensive starter from Nick Saban's Alabama Crimson Tide is just about the safest pick in the NFL draft. Overwhelmingly they are high level NFL contributors. 

 

This is not like any other college team. These guys are churning out pro-ready, high level NFL defenders year after year. 

 

So many things wrong with what you just wrote, I will just number them.

1. I said making the NFL means nothing, Peterman made the NFL.  You were claiming all 11 guys will make the NFL. I used Peterman as an example of how meaningless that statement is.
2. You just chose FOUR YEARS of Alabama players, and also left off all the ones who did NOT make the NFL.  We are discussing an EXACT 11 guys on this EXACT defense in which you claim all 11 of THIS defense will be in the NFL.  There is no argument you can make that will for even one second convince me the entire Alabama defense today will all be starting caliber NFL players or better.  
3. Vikings, Jaguars, and Jets...are ALL better defenses in the NFL right now than THIS Alabama team, and we handled them EASILY in difficult circumstances.
4. You literally said within 3 years a few of those guys were pro bowl caliber...so much wrong with this I need sub bullet points.
   1. You act like the NFL defenses we have handled dont have Pro Bowl players on them...not MAYBE Pro Bowlers, but legit Pro Bowlers, and several among the best at their positions and some future HOF caliber players too.  
   2. If Bills played Alabama, guess what they dont have...THREE YEARS to reach their peak NFL form.  They won't even have a single snap of OTA football, let alone NFL experience.  You want to pretend these college kids will be at their peak NFL ability if they played a game today, which they won't.  None of those players were even pro bowlers after a full season, and yet we are talking abbot them facing an NFL offense while having zero NFL experience.
   3. Thats a couple of Pro Bowl players out of FOUR YEARS of Alabama defenses...not one single season. Thats less than 1 per Bama defense on average.
5. You want to give me 3 out of 20 as busts. Well thats a false manufactured number in many ways, so bad it needs multiple bullet points too:
   1. You listed 20 players that you CHERRY picked out of FOUR SEASONS.  But how many players REALLY played for Alabama over those 4 years?  Sure is a hell of a lot more than 20, and those you left out are worst than busts since they didn't even make the NFL.  Again, you are using ONE SINGLE SEASON ROSTER and acting like they are all going to be at least starter quality in the NFL.  
   2. So the bust level is still at Alabama MUCH higher than this manufactured ratio you are using as you are not counting the duds that played at Bama the last 4 years, just the success stories only.  
      1. Then you are trying to apply that cherry picked success completely and 100% to the current roster.  Come on man...you have to see how thats silly right?

 

And for Bama being so safe, the last time they had a DL pan out in the NFL?  Payne and Allen are young and jury is still out on their overall career as they were taken last 2 years.  Outside of that, the biggest Alabama Defensive Lineman success story since 1990 is Marcell Dareus and we traded him for a dead hooker and 2 natural light tall cans.  So sorry, for all the "Bama" talk, its more legend than reality,  at least to the degree you are talking about it.

 

PS:  I use caps to emphasize important words, not yelling at you.  I enjoy discussion with you, so not personal...you are a good poster and I like you.  But, if I am being honest, youre just not making any sense right now.  I firmly stand by the fact that this Bama team will not beat the Bills nor cover the spread.  The offense won't score much if at all on us and we have put up big scores on real NFL defenses with Pro Bowlers on it already and some of the best players in the game at their defensive positions.  

Edited November 27, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So many things wrong with what you just wrote, I will just number them.

1. I said making the NFL means nothing, Peterman made the NFL.  You were claiming all 11 guys will make the NFL. I used Peterman as an example of how meaningless that statement is.
2. You just chose FOUR YEARS of Alabama players, and also left off all the ones who did NOT make the NFL.  We are discussing an EXACT 11 guys on this EXACT defense in which you claim all 11 of THIS defense will be in the NFL.  There is no argument you can make that will for even one second convince me the entire Alabama defense today will all be starting caliber NFL players or better.  
3. Vikings, Jaguars, and Jets...are ALL better defenses in the NFL right now than THIS Alabama team, and we handled them EASILY in difficult circumstances.
4. You literally said within 3 years a few of those guys were pro bowl caliber...so much wrong with this I need sub bullet points.
   1. You act like the NFL defenses we have handled dont have Pro Bowl players on them...not MAYBE Pro Bowlers, but legit Pro Bowlers, and several among the best at their positions and some future HOF caliber players too.  
   2. If Bills played Alabama, guess what they dont have...THREE YEARS to reach their peak NFL form.  They won't even have a single snap of OTA football, let alone NFL experience.  You want to pretend these college kids will be at their peak NFL ability if they played a game today, which they won't.  None of those players were even pro bowlers after a full season, and yet we are talking abbot them facing an NFL offense while having zero NFL experience.
   3. Thats a couple of Pro Bowl players out of FOUR YEARS of Alabama defenses...not one single season. Thats less than 1 per Bama defense on average.
5. You want to give me 3 out of 20 as busts. Well thats a false manufactured number in many ways, so bad it needs multiple bullet points too:
   1. You listed 20 players that you CHERRY picked out of FOUR SEASONS.  But how many players REALLY played for Alabama over those 4 years?  Sure is a hell of a lot more than 20, and those you left out are worst than busts since they didn't even make the NFL.  Again, you are using ONE SINGLE SEASON ROSTER and acting like they are all going to be at least starter quality in the NFL.  
   2. So the bust level is still at Alabama MUCH higher than this manufactured ratio you are using as you are not counting the duds that played at Bama the last 4 years, just the success stories only.  
      1. Then you are trying to apply that cherry picked to success 100% to the current roster.  Thats absurd and you know it.

And for Bama being so safe, the last time they had a DL pan out in the NFL?  Payne and Allen are young and jury is still out on their overall career as they were taken last 2 years.  Outside of that, the biggest Alabama Defensive Lineman success story since 1990 is Marcell Dareus and we traded him for a dead hooker and 2 natural light tall cans.  So sorry, for all the "Bama" talk, its more legend than reality,  at least to the degree you are talking about it.

 

PS:  I use caps to emphasize important words, not yelling at you.  I enjoy discussion with you, so not personal...youre just not making any sense right now.  I firmly stand by the fact that this Bama team will not beat the Bills nor cover the spread.  The offense won't score much if at all on us and we have put up big scores on real NFL defenses with Pro Bowlers on it already and some of the best players in the game at their defensive positions.  

I think that you missed the point. Those guys weren’t cherry picked at all. That is every Alabama defensive player, over the last 5 years, to go in the 1st 4 rounds. There will be a bunch more this year. There will be a bunch more next year.

 

You need to be 3 years out of high school to enter the NFL draft. Not every guy will play in the NFL next year. Not every guy will be there by the year after. Patrick Surtain Jr. is a true freshman, the number 1 CB recruit in the country, and a key player. Is he bad because he can’t be in the NFL until 2021? He’s on this team and ABSOLUTELY will be an NFL player, just not next year. That’s why you need a multi-year sample size.

[GunnerBill]

Alpha you doubt that all 11 starters on the 2018 Alabama defense can all play in the NFL despite the fact that this time next year the 2017 starting defense will be, in its entirity, playing in the NFL.

 

You then say "yea but they might be busts like Nathan Peterman." Well a minimum of 8 of those guys will be drafted in rounds 1-4 where the best rate for Bama defenders is 15% in recent year not 66%. 

 

My argument is not that every Bama defender of the last 5 years has been an NFL player. I have never tried to argue that. My argument is every starting Bama defender off the 2017 team is an NFL player and many of them not just NFL players but high end NFL players and I don't think the 2018 defense is far behind. 

 

Saying "oh well Payne or Allen could get injured." Sure they could. Any player could that is a cheap and frankly irrelevant argument.

 

If you want to believe Alabama is just a college defense be my guest. You are wrong. It is an NFL defense playing in college. 

 

I have made no attempt to argue their offense at any point because to me that side of the ball is incomparable with even the least talented of the 32 NFL offenses. They have maybe 3 guys who could probably start on the Bills offense tomorrow but equally 3 or 4 who will never sniff starting an NFL game. That is simply not the case on their defense. You can choose to not believe that if you like, but when you look dispassionately at the 2017 defense it proves the theory is far from ridiculous. 

 

I think the fact that the thread is talking primarily about the Bills is not helping either. My point is less Alabama vs Buffalo in truth. It is Alabama vs the bottom feeders in the NFL. The idea that the worst offenses in the NFL would blow their defense away is ridiculous to me. That defense is super talented with guys who will be added to the list of Alabama defenders dominating in the NFL within the next 2 or 3 years..