ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Gore lost because the dumbass didn't run as Clinton's third term. Clinton's approval numbers skyrocketed (relatively speaking) after the impeachment debacle. Timmy... Please stay on subject please. This isn't the 1990s. No strawmen please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Gore lost because the dumbass didn't run as Clinton's third term. Clinton's approval numbers skyrocketed (relatively speaking) after the impeachment debacle. Regardless of political impact, do you think the House should have impeached him for perjury and obstruction of justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Regardless of political impact, do you think the House should have impeached him for perjury and obstruction of justice? They really didn't have any choice. You can't have laws against perjury, and regular citizens sitting in jail for it, and then look the other way for the President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: They really didn't have any choice. You can't have laws against perjury, and regular citizens sitting in jail for it, and then look the other way for the President. I agree. The president isn't above the law. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I agree. The president isn't above the law. That said, special prosecutors operating without rigid boundaries, manufacturing process crimes and perjury traps out of thin air is just about the most anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-justice concept I can think of. Edited January 4, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: "A Laundry List Of Charges: Even if Trump isn’t shown to have conspired with Russia on election interference, his repeated lies to the American people about his connections to the Kremlin while he worked with Russia on a personal business project, the Trump Tower Moscow, well into the campaign, could rightly be viewed as an impeachable offense. And even before the Cohen filings made the timeline of that deal clear, Trump’s calls for better relations with the Russian government, including lifting sanctions and changing American policy in Ukraine, could be viewed as an impeachable case of putting his own selfish interests before the United States."* *Source: Previous posts above. That's bloody ***** stupid. Politicians lie to the American public and disagree with other politicians' policy...but let's make those impeachable offenses. "But his intent was to use foreign policy to enrich himself!" Okay then...show how it's different than this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Regardless of political impact, do you think the House should have impeached him for perjury and obstruction of justice? I would agree with TYTT. Realistically, they had to. He actually committed a crime while in office. However, politically, it was folly to do so on such thin allegations after years of attacking him/looking for a reason to impeach. The latter is the trap the Democrats are stepping into. They're painting themselves into a corner, where if they don't impeach him they look like buffoons to their base, and if they do (especially on the Gator-level stupidity), they look like buffoons to the the moderates and independents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, Tiberius said: For the record, so far: Obstruction of justice on multiple fronts Conspiring with Russia to interfere with the election His corruption which is now coming into full view on multiple fronts Campaign finance violations And possibly (come on, most very likely) many more things in the Mueller investigation. Don't forget -- he might have killed the only rainbow farting unicorn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: They really didn't have any choice. You can't have laws against perjury, and regular citizens sitting in jail for it, and then look the other way for the President. Yes...but the much, much bigger issue is that he perjured himself in an investigation in to Whitewater answering questions that had absolutely no connection to Whitewater. Same nonsense that's happening now...Mueller has the same "create a crime" mandate that Starr had. But this time it's different, because...shut up! 43 minutes ago, Tiberius said: For the record, so far: Obstruction of justice on multiple fronts Conspiring with Russia to interfere with the election His corruption which is now coming into full view on multiple fronts Campaign finance violations And possibly (come on, most very likely) many more things in the Mueller investigation. You actually list "things we don't know" as reasons for impeachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Yes...but the much, much bigger issue is that he perjured himself in an investigation in to Whitewater answering questions that had absolutely no connection to Whitewater. Same nonsense that's happening now...Mueller has the same "create a crime" mandate that Starr had. But this time it's different, because...shut up! 10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: That said, special prosecutors operating without rigid boundaries, manufacturing process crimes and perjury traps out of thin air is just about the most anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-justice concept I can think of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Regardless of political impact, do you think the House should have impeached him for perjury and obstruction of justice? My answer is no. The questions asked had nothing to do with the investigation underway. He never should have had the opportunity to lie, and the answers to those questions were none of their damn business. IOW I think it was a trap set up to embarrass him, ended up getting him to lie instead, and I am not big on entrapment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I would agree with TYTT. Realistically, they had to. He actually committed a crime while in office. However, politically, it was folly to do so on such thin allegations after years of attacking him/looking for a reason to impeach. The latter is the trap the Democrats are stepping into. They're painting themselves into a corner, where if they don't impeach him they look like buffoons to their base, and if they do (especially on the Gator-level stupidity), they look like buffoons to the the moderates and independents. This is a little off subject but if you go all the way back to Johnson's impeachment, reports were that the public was against it despite his unpopularity. I just wonder if it's human nature to defend an individual against a group that will resort to almost anything to destroy you for political gain even if you're not particularly fond of that person. Edited January 4, 2019 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: And yet you're supporting a side - without evidence - that abused the powers of state to spy on its political enemies in an effort to subvert the legally elected POTUS because they didn't like him. You're full of ***** on so many levels it's amazing you don't see everything in a permanent brown tint. Do you understand the power that Congress wields? Yes, you think it's capricious... But it's vested in them whichever way the elections go every TWO years. It's how the system is built. Deal with it. Don't like it, change the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Do you understand the power that Congress wields? Yes, you think it's capricious... But it's vested in them whichever way the elections go every TWO years. It's how the system is built. Deal with it. Don't like it, change the outcome. That's why the Senate exists, as the grown-ups to keep the children from getting too rambunctious at the House kiddie table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Do you understand the power that Congress wields? Yes, you think it's capricious... But it's vested in them whichever way the elections go every TWO years. It's how the system is built. Deal with it. Don't like it, change the outcome. ...And you're ignoring the point made. Because you are incapable of an honest conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's bloody ***** stupid. Politicians lie to the American public and disagree with other politicians' policy...but let's make those impeachable offenses. "But his intent was to use foreign policy to enrich himself!" Okay then...show how it's different than this. Yup. But it's NOT stupid... How the Founders set it up. Seems to be working. Congressional elections are more dialed into the people every two years than the Electoral College, Popular Vote every 4 years. It's a safety valve against Dudes like Trump that start tweaking with too much authoritarian ways. Again... We revolted against a King NOT to instill another. 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's why the Senate exists, as the grown-ups to keep the children from getting too rambunctious at the House kiddie table. Bingo! But when all is released and charges levied, will they appease, abdicate their responsibility? 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ...And you're ignoring the point made. Because you are incapable of an honest conversation. Bull crap... Let the game play. We are approaching the 4th Quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Bingo! But when all is released and charges levied, will they appease, abdicate their responsibility? That's funny. In two lines, you argue that the Senate is a break on the House, but abdicates their responsibility if they act as a break on the House. If you want to know why people criticize you as blindly partisan...welp, there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Yes...but the much, much bigger issue is that he perjured himself in an investigation in to Whitewater answering questions that had absolutely no connection to Whitewater. Same nonsense that's happening now...Mueller has the same "create a crime" mandate that Starr had. But this time it's different, because...shut up! You actually list "things we don't know" as reasons for impeachment? We actually have a special council investigation, right? People are already in jail for all this, so ya, things we don't know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: We actually have a special council investigation, right? People are already in jail for all this, so ya, things we don't know yet. Then HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE REASONS FOR IMPEACHMENT????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Then HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE REASONS FOR IMPEACHMENT????? You are a stupid fu c c Go back and read what I wrote, idiot. Do it now! I order you. If you are not drunk you will see your mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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