B-Man Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 On 12/27/2018 at 2:32 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Not a journalist. https://mobile.twitter.com/mzhemingway/status/1078334851105705984?s=21 Ask yourself why he's been framed as such by every outlet and talking head you can find. Then in remember who he represents. The enemies of this country are here. At home. And they have microphones and lie to you about their true masters and agendas. Trump vindicated, media is silent by Don Surber Original Article Two months ago, Jamal Khashoggi was a thing. He died in Saudi Arabia´s embassy in Istanbul apparently painfully and slowly. The Washington Establishment went wacko and demanded President Trump break relations with Saudi Arabia for the death of Khashoggi, whom the elitists described as a journalist for the Washington Post. He wrote 20 columns for the paper. Now we know the rest of the story. Khashoggi was a propagandist for Qatar, the one gulf state that sides with Syria and Iran. A Saudi paper, Arab News, reported, "Washington Post subtly admits Khashoggi columns were ‘shaped’ by Qatar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 https://securitystudies.org/khashoggi-case-analysis-of-an-information-operation/ “Executive summary The Turkish government successfully used an information operation to elevate the case of Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance into a major international incident with strategic implications. The disappearance of Khashoggi is contemporaneous with the disappearance, and possible murder, of the head of INTERPOL, Meng Hongwe. In one of these cases a highly visible individual with international position vanished without a trace and little fanfare; in the other a stunning amount of media coverage resulted in one of the largest news stories of the year. The US Secretary of State was personally dispatched to investigate, as was later the Director of Central Intelligence. The difference in these cases is caused by the existence of the Turkish information operation (IO), and the absence of any similar operation attempting to push for Chinese accountability. The Turkish government attained success through an adaptation of a Russian technique that the RAND Corporation calls the “Firehoses of Falsehood Propaganda Model.”1 In fact the “Falsehood” aspect of this model is dispensable; the model works much better if the information can be proven true, and still quite well if the information is merely not demonstrably false. What is essential to the model used by the Turks and the Russians is the repeated injection of wild stories, not all at once but in controlled sequence. This creates a building effect similar to the increase of tension in a novel or screenplay. The audience comes to see attaining a resolution as necessary to their personal psychic well-being. A major difference in the Russian model and the Turkish model is that the Russians tend to push their firehose narratives through propaganda outlets of their own creation. Although Turkish-language media supported and helped to drive the narratives, as did Arabic-language media controlled by Turkish ally Qatar, the main outlets that Turkish intelligence used to execute their operation were major Western English- language journalist outlets. This becomes clear upon an intensive study of the data. While protecting the lives of dissidents and journalists are worthy goals, it is also important to a self- governing people to be able to recognize outside attempts to manipulate them or drive them to actions that may not align with their self-interest. Some Western outlets, including the Washington Post, performed reasonably well at alerting their readers to the possibility that these stories were manipulative. Others, especially the New York Times, treated the successive firehoses as if they corroborated one another. Better practices among journalists are necessary in order to ensure that similar operations in the future do not overwhelm clarity of thought in our political process.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: https://securitystudies.org/khashoggi-case-analysis-of-an-information-operation/ “Executive summary The Turkish government successfully used an information operation to elevate the case of Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance into a major international incident with strategic implications... In the end, all the Turks accomplished was tipping the Saudis off that their consulates are compromised. No one is going to remember Khashoggi in 6 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I can’t figure out what the deal is wish Kashogi or however the hell ya spell it. Since when is Haj killing Haj major news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 51 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I can’t figure out what the deal is wish Kashogi or however the hell ya spell it. Since when is Haj killing Haj major news? He was a "journalist" who was killed because the Saudi Prince was emboldened by Trump's anti-media tweets. Or something. Either way, ORANGE MAN BAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: He was a "journalist" who was killed because the Saudi Prince was emboldened by Trump's anti-media tweets. Or something. Either way, ORANGE MAN BAD! Whoever he was, he ain’t worth turning into a Franz Ferdinand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Whoever he was, he ain’t worth turning into a Franz Ferdinand. Somebody's been watching WWI documentaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: Somebody's been watching WWI documentaries Hardly. However I am re-reading The Last Lion series. I’m to the Dardanelle fiasco right now so the war is on the brain. My two favs are Caesar and Churchill. Both worthy of extreme adoration. I continually come back to both. Further, WWI is my special interest. I consider it the most horrific war ever fought and it holds a special place in my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Hardly. However I am re-reading The Last Lion series. I’m to the Dardanelle fiasco right now so the war is on the brain. My two favs are Caesar and Churchill. Both worthy of extreme adoration. I continually come back to both. Further, WWI is my special interest. I consider it the most horrific war ever fought and it holds a special place in my heart. Was it the mustard gas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Was it the mustard gas? Probably the Ottomans. Damn hajis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Was it the mustard gas? Gas Airplanes Submarines Zepplins Tanks Trench warfare Flamethrowers Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. Imagine being a Tommy at the Somme. You go over the top and start walking. You can’t see the enemy trench, the grass is too tall. Then your buddy goes down. Then you go down, and from a machine gunner who can’t even see you. The generals didnt know how to fight in tandem with their new technology. That and “Plan 17” was just so awful. Many, many reasons. Most horrific war ever fought. Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons. Edited December 30, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. I thought he made pizza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Probably the Ottomans. Damn hajis. I wish so badly Constantinople was retaken and the Turks were pushed out of Europe. Oh well. There’s always the next war. 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: I thought he made pizza That was before the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Oh well. There’s always the next war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Gas Airplanes Submarines Zepplins Tanks Trench warfare Flamethrowers Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. Imagine being a Tommy at the Somme. You go over the top and start walking. You can’t see the enemy trench, the grass is too tall. Then your buddy goes down. Then you go down, and from a machine gunner who can’t even see you. The generals didnt know how to fight in tandem with their new technology. That and “Plan 17” was just so awful. Many, many reasons. Most horrific war ever fought. Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons. Red Baron Edited December 30, 2018 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Red Baron Meh. You can spell it. I can lecture on it. I still screw up chose and choose on the regular. Edited December 30, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Gas Airplanes Submarines Zepplins Tanks Trench warfare Flamethrowers Did you know what the Red Barron was when the war started? He was a lancer. As in a guy on a horse with a lance. Imagine being a Tommy at the Somme. You go over the top and start walking. You can’t see the enemy trench, the grass is too tall. Then your buddy goes down. Then you go down, and from a machine gunner who can’t even see you. The generals didnt know how to fight in tandem with their new technology. That and “Plan 17” was just so awful. Many, many reasons. Most horrific war ever fought. Napoleonic tactics with modern weapons. You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: You're an idiot. Aside from my bad grammar, on which point, Tammy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1079474735237513216 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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