boyst Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes. NG is nice, but not without its issues. Off the grid has it's benefits. What about a stand alone LP tank (of course hurricane ready). Major note... Gotta protect those things from getting damaged, flooded. Redundancy is the key! I will do an LP tank on my house for the generator. Parents have gas heat and water. I'd consider it but I just did my HVAC and water heater in the last 2 yrs. I'd love to have a gas stove. And I hate the idea of having an LP tank. But in my case, where my house is laid it makes more sense. There's no flooding in the areas that we live, we are one of the highest points in the county 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Weather and climate are entirely different things, too. People have no freaking clue when they discuss climate change and lump in weather phenomena. It shows their ignorance, unfortunately, which has been led by the likes of Captain Planet and ManBearPig. I completely agree. Global warming cooling climate change people want to use anything to try to prove their apocalyptic predictions (that have been consistently wrong). The earth is warming. How much of it is because of our actions versus the normal warming-cooling cycles that have been happening since creation has yet to be determined. How much of it can be reversed also cannot be determined. It fills the coffers with a lot of money, though. [Waits for the "settled science" comments] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, KRC said: I completely agree. Global warming cooling climate change people want to use anything to try to prove their apocalyptic predictions (that have been consistently wrong). The earth is warming. How much of it is because of our actions versus the normal warming-cooling cycles that have been happening since creation has yet to be determined. How much of it can be reversed also cannot be determined. It fills the coffers with a lot of money, though. [Waits for the "settled science" comments] I totally agree. Yet, how do We change the actions of people? As a group? It's like going to church. How do the masses get the message without keeping them busy following, accepting simple rituals. Also like the military. How do You keep good order, avoid chaos, keep working toward a common goal without brainwashing them to be willing to die for just a piece of cloth? People aren't going to do what's right for the group and against their short-term interests on their own volition. Well, most won't. The world needs to work, needs good order. Many individuals get the message, but the masses need to be on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I totally agree. Yet, how do We change the actions of people? As a group? It's like going to church. How do the masses get the message without keeping them busy following, accepting simple rituals. Also like the military. How do You keep good order, avoid chaos, keep working toward a common goal without brainwashing them to be willing to die for just a piece of cloth? People aren't going to do what's right for the group and against their short-term interests on their own volition. Well, most won't. The world needs to work, needs good order. Many individuals get the message, but the masses need to be on the same page. You are right that there needs to be a change in mindset. However, consistently wrong apocalyptic predictions only hurts the cause. People tune you out. No easy answers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, KRC said: You are right that there needs to be a change in mindset. However, consistently wrong apocalyptic predictions only hurts the cause. People tune you out. No easy answers. i don't fear weather trauma in Toronto, although we have tornadoes and such a few hours away in Barrie and Ottawa regions a few times a decade a storm that hit Florida recently was screamed/panicked/apocalypsed for a week as ""the end of all life as we know" and didn't pan out quite that bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, KRC said: I completely agree. Global warming cooling climate change people want to use anything to try to prove their apocalyptic predictions (that have been consistently wrong). The earth is warming. How much of it is because of our actions versus the normal warming-cooling cycles that have been happening since creation has yet to be determined. How much of it can be reversed also cannot be determined. It fills the coffers with a lot of money, though. [Waits for the "settled science" comments] Then you deny there is consensus and that it's not settled and people think you're an !@#$. There is no reason we shouldn't recycle, reduce energy use when possible, and look for alternative fuels. But dolts who believe an electric car is better than a gasoline need to stop the Kool aid. They're far worse for the environment than gasoline autos and that's not even an impact to climate change OR weather. It's absurd when you get in these conversations with a tree hugging hippy Edited October 11, 2018 by Boyst62 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Then you deny there is consensus and that it's not settled and people think you're an !@#$. They thought that about me WELL before my opinion on global warming cooling climate change. ? Quote There is no reason we shouldn't recycle, reduce energy use when possible, and look for alternative fuels. But dolts who believe an electric car are better than a gasoline need to stop the Kool aid. They're far worse for the environment than gasoline autos and that's not even an impact to climate change OR weather. It's absurd when you get in these conversations with a tree hugging hippy Agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Then you deny there is consensus and that it's not settled and people think you're an !@#$. There is no reason we shouldn't recycle, reduce energy use when possible, and look for alternative fuels. But dolts who believe an electric car are better than a gasoline need to stop the Kool aid. They're far worse for the environment than gasoline autos and that's not even an impact to climate change OR weather. It's absurd when you get in these conversations with a tree hugging hippy all that matters is "who controls the narrative" on every issue, proof or truth is no match for this power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Gordio said: I agree with that somewhat, I am just telling you what I see. This was the second consecutive year Cayuga Creek went dry in Como Park,i don't recall that ever happening before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: This was the second consecutive year Cayuga Creek went dry in Como Park,i don't recall that ever happening before. hmm, aint that sumpthin. Growing up in the Falls, I played hockey and fished in/on Cayuga Creek...never knew there was another one in Erie County! https://mapcarta.com/22569418 BTW, the rain just starting here in Richmond. Listening to folks on TV here is exactly why people don't trust the media on these things anymore. Man, weather folks here want to act like the storm is still a hurricane and not just a rainstorm. Edited October 11, 2018 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: i don't fear weather trauma in Toronto, although we have tornadoes and such a few hours away in Barrie and Ottawa regions a few times a decade a storm that hit Florida recently was screamed/panicked/apocalypsed for a week as ""the end of all life as we know" and didn't pan out quite that bad exaggerate much mac? you sound worse then the media circus those here have been complaining about. lives were lost and property damage that was expected from a cat 4. sure, media has become intolerable, but it's not cool to take light of the destruction mother nature laid on the panhandle of florida and what ever it has left in its trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, no name said: exaggerate much mac? you sound worse then the media circus those here have been complaining about. lives were lost and property damage that was expected from a cat 4. sure, media has become intolerable, but it's not cool to take light of the destruction mother nature laid on the panhandle of florida and what ever it has left in its trail. yes, i was to blame for it all.... the media pretending to hold on for dear life to a streetlight pole while two people casually walked by in the backgroud Edited October 11, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: yes, i was to blame for it all.... the media pretending to hold on for dear life to a streetlight pole while two people casually walked by in the background you obviously missed my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, row_33 said: i don't fear weather trauma in Toronto, although we have tornadoes and such a few hours away in Barrie and Ottawa regions a few times a decade a storm that hit Florida recently was screamed/panicked/apocalypsed for a week as ""the end of all life as we know" and didn't pan out quite that bad I think Cleveland area ranks lowest in US for suffering weather calamity. I would probably put S.Ontario & Lower Canada as on that list too... For N.America that is. Why don't WE move to a more "auto insurance" premium model when it comes to stuff like this. Federally tax the regions that suffer weather related calamity more. Make them kick in more. Like having a bunch of teen drivers on Your policy. There is a huge sucking sound when these storms hit. Tax them. The weather data doesn't lie. The insurance claims are all there! Or: At least make them pony up their natural resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) A storm of this magnitude hasn’t hit the Florida panhandle since the late 1800’s. Maybe the climate is <gulp> changing much more rapidly than it should naturally? Why would all those scientists lie? What is their end game? https://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/the-scientific-consensus-on-global-warming/ Edited October 11, 2018 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Mexico Beach, Florida (before) Mexico Beach, Florida (after) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Mexico Beach, Florida (before) Mexico Beach, Florida (after) ExiledInIllinios is going to paying for some of that cleanup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: A storm of this magnitude hasn’t hit the Florida panhandle since the late 1800’s. Maybe the climate is <gulp> changing much more rapidly than it should naturally? Why would all those scientists lie? What is their end game? https://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/the-scientific-consensus-on-global-warming/ Does it really matter. So, it's warming. Nobody is denying that. 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: ExiledInIllinios is going to paying for some of that cleanup. And gladly so! We should all pitch in! But don't change the rules in the middle of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: We should all pitch in! I'm not a big fan of cheesy beach motels or 25 dollar,made in Bangladesh t shirts that turn into a ripaway after a few washes....you must have boyst62 on your mind again. I'm hip up here next to lake erie...and my federal tax dollars are worth pennies...have you seen the federal deficit.....peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: This was the second consecutive year Cayuga Creek went dry in Como Park,i don't recall that ever happening before. Wonder if it has anything to do with the dredging of the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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