Syracuse Basketball 2023-24

[Johnny Hammersticks]

25 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am telling you— this team historically has no luck with guys on the fence actually coming back. 

 

Where’s he gonna go though?  He’s likely a 2nd round draft pick at this point.  Does he develop in the D League for a bit?  Does he go to Europe?  I think he’ll make more in NIL money if he stays for a year.  I just don’t understand this.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

51 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Where’s he gonna go though?  He’s likely a 2nd round draft pick at this point.  Does he develop in the D League for a bit?  Does he go to Europe?  I think he’ll make more in NIL money if he stays for a year.  I just don’t understand this.

I totally agree. He would be making a huge mistake by leaving now. He is one of a few guys who could significantly improve his draft stock by saying. 

[DCOrange]

4 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Where’s he gonna go though?  He’s likely a 2nd round draft pick at this point.  Does he develop in the D League for a bit?  Does he go to Europe?  I think he’ll make more in NIL money if he stays for a year.  I just don’t understand this.

Realistically, even if he's drafted in the 1st round, he's going to play in the G-League for a bit. If he's a late 1st/early 2nd, he can lock in a 3 year deal around $6-8 million; Syracuse is not going to match that.

 

We'll see how it goes; like I said, I haven't personally heard anything yet, but my personal expectation the entire time has been that I would assume he's gone and if he comes back, that's great. I still think there's a chance he goes late 1st round this year if he stays in the draft; I know he has a lot of fans out there in the draft community and if teams agree that he could be a lottery pick next year, they'll likely be fine drafting him later in the 1st round this year to get him in the facility.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

Realistically, even if he's drafted in the 1st round, he's going to play in the G-League for a bit. If he's a late 1st/early 2nd, he can lock in a 3 year deal around $6-8 million; Syracuse is not going to match that.

 

We'll see how it goes; like I said, I haven't personally heard anything yet, but my personal expectation the entire time has been that I would assume he's gone and if he comes back, that's great. I still think there's a chance he goes late 1st round this year if he stays in the draft; I know he has a lot of fans out there in the draft community and if teams agree that he could be a lottery pick next year, they'll likely be fine drafting him later in the 1st round this year to get him in the facility.

I totally get it, but I see it as immediate gratification as opposed to a potential larger pay day if he develops in college for another season.  I’m biased though.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I totally get it, but I see it as immediate gratification as opposed to a potential larger pay day if he develops in college for another season.  I’m biased though.

I agree with you

 

You’re going to also have an NBA spot that first season if your lottery pick

 

Judah Can cement his legacy if he comes back

[Johnny Hammersticks]

BIG 🤞

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Could ‘Cuse be making a late push?  Red and Straughn with the full court press?  😂 

[ChevyVanMiller]

Joe Girard III headed south to Clemson.

 

https://www.on3.com/college/clemson-tigers/news/syracuse-transfer-joe-girard-commits-to-clemson/

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

🤞🤞🤞🤞

[DCOrange]

On 5/7/2023 at 4:36 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

🤞🤞🤞🤞

Haven't heard anything really since the decision date was announced, but everything I had been hearing before that was sounding very good.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

HUGE 🍊 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

HUGE 🍊 

Yessssss! Was just coming here to post this!

 

big time get 

[DCOrange]

If we end up landing Bethea (which, no insider knowledge here but I just get the vibe we will not) I won't know what to do with my hands.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

22 hours ago, DCOrange said:

If we end up landing Bethea (which, no insider knowledge here but I just get the vibe we will not) I won't know what to do with my hands.

Man, Bathea is a STUD.  Would potentially be our biggest commit since…Melo?  Anyway, everything I read is he likely staying close to home.  I bet Penn State gets him. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Man, Bathea is a STUD.  Would potentially be our biggest commit since…Melo?  Anyway, everything I read is he likely staying close to home.  I bet Penn State gets him. 🤷🏾‍♂️

His recruiting rank is all over the place rn

 

Most have him top 60 … ON3 has him 30

 

one place has him top 15… consensus 4*
 

but he seems to be rising fast

[Johnny Hammersticks]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

His recruiting rank is all over the place rn

 

Most have him top 60 … ON3 has him 30

 

one place has him top 15… consensus 4*
 

but he seems to be rising fast

pretty sure he’s top 10 now

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said:

pretty sure he’s top 10 now

247 ESPN and rivals haven’t updated it yet 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I have a good feeling about Naheem McLeod.  If we land him I’ll stop crying about Jesse Edwards.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I have a good feeling about Naheem McLeod.  If we land him I’ll stop crying about Jesse Edwards.

How exciting does this new era feel?

 

im refreshed 

[DCOrange]

On 5/12/2023 at 7:03 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I have a good feeling about Naheem McLeod.  If we land him I’ll stop crying about Jesse Edwards.

I've heard it's pretty much a done deal we're getting him. Hopefully he fits in well but I'm more nervous about the PG position at this point as it's starting to sound more and more like Judah is gone.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

3 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I've heard it's pretty much a done deal we're getting him. Hopefully he fits in well but I'm more nervous about the PG position at this point as it's starting to sound more and more like Judah is gone.

welp, he’s committed which is huge.  Does he have a significant injury history?  Keep reading that online.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

welp, he’s committed which is huge.  Does he have a significant injury history?  Keep reading that online.

What an off-season!!

 

get Judah back and this team is dancing in march

[DCOrange]

FWIW, seems like Judah had a relatively disappointing first day at the NBA Combine. Measured as one of the smallest players in terms of wingspan and weight and was below-average in the shooting drills. Had a few good athleticism scores though, including one of the top 5 fastest lane agility times in the last 5 years. He's going to want to kick ass in the scrimmages and team workouts to solidify his draft position.

Edited May 16, 2023 by DCOrange

[The Poojer]

Well this escalated quickly....if mintz comes back??????

 

[DCOrange]

I haven't heard anything personally, but I've heard from a couple people that do have sources with the Syracuse staff. One said the staff thinks it's 50/50 on Judah coming back at this point. The other said the staff is expecting him back.

[Buffalo716]

On 5/16/2023 at 9:06 AM, DCOrange said:

FWIW, seems like Judah had a relatively disappointing first day at the NBA Combine. Measured as one of the smallest players in terms of wingspan and weight and was below-average in the shooting drills. Had a few good athleticism scores though, including one of the top 5 fastest lane agility times in the last 5 years. He's going to want to kick ass in the scrimmages and team workouts to solidify his draft position.

I don’t think he will be drafted 

 

maybe late 2nd

 

he should return 

[Buffalo716]

Kansas transfer guard Kyle Cuffe has transferred to SU!

 

maybe not great news for Judah but we have a guard

 

Very pesky defender

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Kansas transfer guard Kyle Cuffe has transferred to SU!

 

maybe not great news for Judah but we have a guard

 

Very pesky defender

this feels like it came out of left field! 

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this feels like it came out of left field! 

Yea it’s really outta left field … I wonder if they think Judah is going pro …

 

coming off an injury but good depth 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea it’s really outta left field … I wonder if they think Judah is going pro …

 

coming off an injury but good depth 

I’ve been reading that Mintz is looking good at the combine. Good for him, I guess. But I am still not convinced he will Be better than a late 2nd round pick. Really should stay. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I’ve been reading that Mintz is looking good at the combine. Good for him, I guess. But I am still not convinced he will Be better than a late 2nd round pick. Really should stay. 

The actual combine games are either gonna get him drafted top 40 or show what he needs to work on

 

i heard he did not shoot it well In drills which is what teams want but he has a lot of other skills as we know 

 

they want to see him shoot better 

 

Still probably only a second rounder

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

Elijah Moore had a great week at the jam fest

 

He is garnering a reputation as the premier marksman in the class of 24

[nemhoff]

19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Elijah Moore had a great week at the jam fest

 

He is garnering a reputation as the premier marksman in the class of 24

I know that a couple of you guys have some "inside" info on Cuse bball, curious about something...It really seems like once Jimmy B. left our recruiting gets/interest/buzz picked up big time.  Was he holding recruiting back the last few years?  Did getting him out of the equation really change that much for Red and the boys?  Either way it is a great thing, but would love to know if there was a dynamic there towards the end.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, nemhoff said:

I know that a couple of you guys have some "inside" info on Cuse bball, curious about something...It really seems like once Jimmy B. left our recruiting gets/interest/buzz picked up big time.  Was he holding recruiting back the last few years?  Did getting him out of the equation really change that much for Red and the boys?  Either way it is a great thing, but would love to know if there was a dynamic there towards the end.

It was a difficult dynamic …

 

ofc There were recruits who really wanted to play for the legend… but not every 18 year old can take his hard coaching style 

 

it seems like recruits were torn between wanting to play for him but wanting a 4 year commitment… or just over the old school hard Knox coach 

 

There is definitely a fresh buzz now… it was time 

[Buffalo716]

Donnie freeman might be on the best aau squad in the country … he’s eyeing the peach jam title next week 

 

legitimate big shot for the SU commit.. he’s playing great 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Buffalo716

[DCOrange]

On 5/29/2023 at 1:11 PM, nemhoff said:

I know that a couple of you guys have some "inside" info on Cuse bball, curious about something...It really seems like once Jimmy B. left our recruiting gets/interest/buzz picked up big time.  Was he holding recruiting back the last few years?  Did getting him out of the equation really change that much for Red and the boys?  Either way it is a great thing, but would love to know if there was a dynamic there towards the end.

The short answer is yes.

1. He just didn't put in the same level of effort that Red is putting in and there was only so much Red/GMac could do as the assistant coaches. Recruits want to see the head coach and when they're getting recruited by 10 schools and 9 of them are sending their HC out to meet with them and the 10th is sending an assistant...it just doesn't look good.
2. Other schools told recruits they didn't know who they'd actually play for at Syracuse and it worked; kids don't want to go to a school and then find out the coach is gone and they may no longer be wanted.
3. Boeheim vetoed some recruits that Red/GMac had worked and had ready to commit.

Point #2 isn't really Boeheim's fault; just kinda natural when you get up there in age. #1 is pretty much inexcusable. #3 depends on the reasons involved.

 

I think it also helps that Red and the new assistant are extremely connected in the DMV and that's where we got guys like Freeman to suddenly be a lot more interested in Syracuse.

 

Today is the day for the Judah Mintz decision; seems like everything has gone dark and nobody knows what he's thinking right now. My own speculation is that he's probably holding out hope that he'll get a team give him some good news before the deadline...I think he's probably looking for any reason to stay in the draft, but selfishly hoping he comes back to school (mainly because I want us to be good, but also because I think he's one of the rare Syracuse early entries where he could improve his draft stock by returning).

Edited May 31, 2023 by DCOrange

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

38 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

The short answer is yes.

1. He just didn't put in the same level of effort that Red is putting in and there was only so much Red/GMac could do as the assistant coaches. Recruits want to see the head coach and when they're getting recruited by 10 schools and 9 of them are sending their HC out to meet with them and the 10th is sending an assistant...it just doesn't look good.
2. Other schools told recruits they didn't know who they'd actually play for at Syracuse and it worked; kids don't want to go to a school and then find out the coach is gone and they may no longer be wanted.
3. Boeheim vetoed some recruits that Red/GMac had worked and had ready to commit.

Point #2 isn't really Boeheim's fault; just kinda natural when you get up there in age. #1 is pretty much inexcusable. #3 depends on the reasons involved.

 

I think it also helps that Red and the new assistant are extremely connected in the DMV and that's where we got guys like Freeman to suddenly be a lot more interested in Syracuse.

 

Today is the day for the Judah Mintz decision; seems like everything has gone dark and nobody knows what he's thinking right now. My own speculation is that he's probably holding out hope that he'll get a team give him some good news before the deadline...I think he's probably looking for any reason to stay in the draft, but selfishly hoping he comes back to school (mainly because I want us to be good, but also because I think he's one of the rare Syracuse early entries where he could improve his draft stock by returning).

I read some article online where Mintz was talking with some hornets beat reporters and couldn’t help but thinking from the quotes that he is 100% gone. Hope I am wrong! 

[DCOrange]

3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I read some article online where Mintz was talking with some hornets beat reporters and couldn’t help but thinking from the quotes that he is 100% gone. Hope I am wrong! 

To be fair, it makes perfect sense that he'd be putting that out into the public right now. He wants to stay in the draft if at all possible so it makes sense that he's at least projecting that he's all in on it.

 

But yeah, I'm kinda back to assuming he's gone and if he returns, it'll be a lovely surprise.

[nemhoff]

40 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

The short answer is yes.

1. He just didn't put in the same level of effort that Red is putting in and there was only so much Red/GMac could do as the assistant coaches. Recruits want to see the head coach and when they're getting recruited by 10 schools and 9 of them are sending their HC out to meet with them and the 10th is sending an assistant...it just doesn't look good.
2. Other schools told recruits they didn't know who they'd actually play for at Syracuse and it worked; kids don't want to go to a school and then find out the coach is gone and they may no longer be wanted.
3. Boeheim vetoed some recruits that Red/GMac had worked and had ready to commit.

Point #2 isn't really Boeheim's fault; just kinda natural when you get up there in age. #1 is pretty much inexcusable. #3 depends on the reasons involved.

 

I think it also helps that Red and the new assistant are extremely connected in the DMV and that's where we got guys like Freeman to suddenly be a lot more interested in Syracuse.

 

Today is the day for the Judah Mintz decision; seems like everything has gone dark and nobody knows what he's thinking right now. My own speculation is that he's probably holding out hope that he'll get a team give him some good news before the deadline...I think he's probably looking for any reason to stay in the draft, but selfishly hoping he comes back to school (mainly because I want us to be good, but also because I think he's one of the rare Syracuse early entries where he could improve his draft stock by returning).

This is good insight, Thanks DC.  Judah should stay.  I can't remember the last SU player that had fringe draft talent that stayed for another year.  If he could improve his jumper he would be lottery next year.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

My guess is that Judah comes back to Syracuse.  I’ve heard a few things, but I believe the coaching staff expects him back.  Just my gut along with a couple tid-bits I’ve picked up in the last few days.