njbuff Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 We can only hope Allen learns from these hard lessons, otherwise, what is there to look forward to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dopey said: But the new guy is...Nate the great. Ouch. No, not Nate. ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I know this is rebuilding, but it seems like so many of these guys are not going to be a part of the future. Make some trades for some picks? Cut some guys and give some other teams practice squad guys a shot? Cut Benjamin...sign Tanner Gentry. So many other guys (OL and WR) that are not going to he here in a year that could get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: All I know is, when Allen looked like he hurt his right hand, I preferred he played left handed rather than have Peterman come in. Tough game for the kid, as it was for most everyone today. Daboll layed an egg big time. There will be games like this for young QBs, especially when they don’t have too many options out there. It’s over and it’s all about how he gets off the mat. On to the Titans. frazier laid an egg...big time. mcd out of respect chewed his ass at half time of the la game, told him how he wanted things and gave him the ball back. he did that showing respect for his elder who had ,had a reasonable rep. throughout the years.....but hey.. if mcd wants to stay mc coach he will have to take charge of sh,t that ain't working and frazier's defensive playcalling is where to start. two blitzes? really? geeze, they seemed to work out great.....maybe we can do that more. mcd needs to take the defense over period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I would’ve pulled Allen. Not because I think peterman gave them a better chance to win - peterman is he worst QB in the league. But the protection “scheme” was getting Allen pulverized and at some point you have to worry about the investment you’ve made in him long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: frazier laid an egg...big time. mcd out of respect chewed his ass at half time of the la game, told him how he wanted things and gave him the ball back. he did that showing respect for his elder who had ,had a reasonable rep. throughout the years.....but hey.. if mcd wants to stay mc coach he will have to take charge of sh,t that ain't working and frazier's defensive playcalling is where to start. two blitzes? really? geeze, they seemed to work out great.....maybe we can do that more. mcd needs to take the defense over period. I agree Frazier got outcoached, too. IMO, Daboll was even worse, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, K-9 said: All I know is, when Allen looked like he hurt his right hand, I preferred he played left handed rather than have Peterman come in. Tough game for the kid, as it was for most everyone today. Daboll layed an egg big time. There will be games like this for young QBs, especially when they don’t have too many options out there. It’s over and it’s all about how he gets off the mat. On to the Titans. not so sure it was on the OC. Allen had a rough time behind an O line that struggled. Allen showed he does not trust them. Allen took too long to release the ball. O line kinda blows and the receivers ? anyone notice Josh played like Tyrod a bit ? arrghh Edited September 30, 2018 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, 3rdand12 said: not so sure it was on the OC. Allen had a rough behind an O line that struggled. Allen showed he does not trust them. Allen took too long to release the ball. O line kinda blows and the receivers ? anyone notice Josh played like Tyrod a bit ? arrghh All good points and I am certainly not putting it ALL on Daboll, but it starts with him and he failed to solve Pettine all afternoon; just had no answer schematically. Add in overmatched, inexperienced, and unskilled players, and I’m not surprised at the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: frazier laid an egg...big time. mcd out of respect chewed his ass at half time of the la game, told him how he wanted things and gave him the ball back. he did that showing respect for his elder who had ,had a reasonable rep. throughout the years.....but hey.. if mcd wants to stay mc coach he will have to take charge of sh,t that ain't working and frazier's defensive playcalling is where to start. two blitzes? really? geeze, they seemed to work out great.....maybe we can do that more. mcd needs to take the defense over period. agreed. we get one nice blitz that worked. Overprotective of his secondary who were not in position enough. Last week Bills look well prepped. this week they missed all over the place. Rodgers always has quick release from any spot and after the first run Frazier knew his knee was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 52 minutes ago, snamsnoops said: On to the next game? I feel like every rep will help, so long as he takes what he needs to learn from them and not let it destroy his confidence when he gets knocked down—all of the great ones had to take their lumps and he is no exception to that rule. Mama said there’d be days like this, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: All good points and I am certainly not putting it ALL on Daboll, but it starts with him and he failed to solve Pettine all afternoon; just had no answer schematically. Add in overmatched, inexperienced, and unskilled players, and I’m not surprised at the outcome. i won't argue against your point for sure . McCoy with so few touches and not sticking with Ivory longer. Poor game all around on offense. gotta look at the tape though .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: I agree Frazier got outcoached, too. IMO, Daboll was even worse, though. i won't argue that, but this is 2018 and i would respect a coach for switching qbs in a game out of hand. for one, if nate would have come in and started rolling with quick strikes, we may have had a chance to win. and in case anybody doesn't know, wins gets you to the playoffs. josh was rattled beyond recovery and pulling him wouldn't/couldn't have hurt his progress any more than letting him get eaten up at the end of the game. i respect a coaching staff that will do whatever it takes to win....not one who wants to coddle players and prepare a loser's postgame speech while they're on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, 3rdand12 said: i won't argue against your point for sure . McCoy with so few touches and not sticking with Ivory longer. Poor game all around on offense. gotta look at the tape though .... The tape never lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I feel like every rep will help, so long as he takes what he needs to learn from them and not let it destroy his confidence when he gets knocked down—all of the great ones had to take their lumps and he is no exception to that rule. Mama said there’d be days like this, right? He dealt with frustration for sure. was obvious 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: The tape never lies. as long as they learn from it : ) 3 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i won't argue that, but this is 2018 and i would respect a coach for switching qbs in a game out of hand. for one, if nate would have come in and started rolling with quick strikes, we may have had a chance to win. and in case anybody doesn't know, wins gets you to the playoffs. josh was rattled beyond recovery and pulling him wouldn't/couldn't have hurt his progress any more than letting him get eaten up at the end of the game. i respect a coaching staff that will do whatever it takes to win....not one who wants to coddle players and prepare a loser's postgame speech while they're on the sidelines. disagree. no point in puling Allen at this juncture. let himlearnordietrying Edited September 30, 2018 by 3rdand12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Had a great time at Lambeau, very nice stadium, fans were welcoming. As for the game, it was an embarrassment. Allen was brutal, which is where the focus is. But I also think Edmunds struggled mightily too....again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: agreed. we get one nice blitz that worked. Overprotective of his secondary who were not in position enough. Last week Bills look well prepped. this week they missed all over the place. Rodgers always has quick release from any spot and after the first run Frazier knew his knee was fine. two that i saw.but ...oh and that's another thing....not playing press. how in the hell can you not bump these guys at the line and throw rogers's 2 second throws off? explain to me why our db's backpeddling at the snap against aaron rogers is a solid plan? frazier sucks ....his game plan sucks... and mcd should have never given him back the reigns. sure, i get it, you thought it was gonna be ok , but you gave him a whole game to revert to the results we got in the la game. mcd has to either take over or replace frazier now. if this season goes down in flames because of defense, that's on sean mcdermott and no one else...period. Edited September 30, 2018 by billsredneck1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: i won't argue that, but this is 2018 and i would respect a coach for switching qbs in a game out of hand. for one, if nate would have come in and started rolling with quick strikes, we may have had a chance to win. and in case anybody doesn't know, wins gets you to the playoffs. josh was rattled beyond recovery and pulling him wouldn't/couldn't have hurt his progress any more than letting him get eaten up at the end of the game. i respect a coaching staff that will do whatever it takes to win....not one who wants to coddle players and prepare a loser's postgame speech while they're on the sidelines. I disagree that Allen was “ rattled beyond recovery” as I got more of a sense that he was trying to make something happen rather than his nerves getting the best of him. Pettine kicked his ass, pure and simple, imo. Your point about making a change is understandable, but there is also a benefit to having your young QB play adversity and getting reps, regardless. I’d like to share your optimism about Peterman, but I just can’t. Imo, it would have been far worse and we would truly have seen a QB get rattled beyond recovery as we’ve seen from him already. I think the only time we will see Peterman is if Allen gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Did I miss the links to the postgame pressers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i won't argue that, but this is 2018 and i would respect a coach for switching qbs in a game out of hand. for one, if nate would have come in and started rolling with quick strikes, we may have had a chance to win. and in case anybody doesn't know, wins gets you to the playoffs. josh was rattled beyond recovery and pulling him wouldn't/couldn't have hurt his progress any more than letting him get eaten up at the end of the game. i respect a coaching staff that will do whatever it takes to win....not one who wants to coddle players and prepare a loser's postgame speech while they're on the sidelines. I don't agree as near the end of the game when Pettine stopped blitzing Allen had time in the pocket he looked very stable, confidant and threw with zip on a few throws. Besides, pulling a rookie QB for any reason other than he is injured could destroy that QBs confidence. Will he then be looking over his shoulder with every mistake? We fans knew this preseason was going to be a very rough year with players on the O line that needed replacing, lousy WR corps. So many predicted 4-12 and yet are bitching anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) So I just read this barrel of laughs by our intrepid Pats fan who doubles as the ESPN Bills beat guy—my question is, what personnel moves could he possibly be referring to?? Our roster is what it is and I don’t know how you do anything major in the short term (unless by eventual he means next year) as it’s not like we are about to enter into a free agency signing fiesta this week. Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer The Bills seemed to move closer to eventual personnel changes around rookie QB Josh Allen after being shut out by the Packers, 22-0, for the first time since 2008. Allen was sacked seven times and received little help from LeSean McCoy (five carries, 24 yards) or Kelvin Benjamin (one catch, 34 yards on six targets). Allen finished 16 of 33 for 151 yards and two interceptions, including an ill-advised heave late in the first half. Buffalo gained only 145 yards, their fewest since 2006 and only the fourth time they have gained 145 or fewer yards since 1980. Edited September 30, 2018 by NoHuddleKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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