A Canadian Who Smuggly Thinks He's Superior

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

Leaving this here, as well. Seems suitable.

 

[BringBackOrton]

18 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Thankful for being credited and to your quotes. If you are too blind to see the way that the world currently views US politics, then I don't know what to tell you. This is  not my isolated opinion. This is one that I share with many many people all around the world. This is not a slight against the 59% of the country that does not support your president. This is an absolute slight against those that do. It is in comprehensible how anyone in their right mind could follow such an absolute moron 

The only reason Canada isn’t a bigger **** hole is because you have one city. Your country is a joke and your health care system sucks. That’s why physicians are flocking to the US from your only good medical campus in McGill.

[MiltonWaddams]

There have been some fair points in regards to one city in Canada and it's sizeable amount of shootings in the year 2018. That's city has an immense issue right now in illegal handguns. If you examine the vast majority of Canada, you will see that that number is not even close, even by a per capita basis,  to the shootings in the US. When was the last time that you heard about a school being shot up in Canada? You didn't. Why are these kids getting access to guns in the way that they are?  Toronto's main issue to date has been associated with gang violence. This is a gang member on gang member and drug affiliated individuals shooting each other. Well that is not a defensible, but it is a difference between young children shooting up the school and thugs killing other thugs. As for DC Tom's  statement regarding that being FBI statistics, I'm not really sure what that actually means. I do know that there have been mass shootings in the news far too many times and something has to happen. The United States is the only nation that currently has this level of mass shooting issue. It is also the only country that has the laws in place that give every citizen the right to carry a firearm. Coincidence? I think not.

5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

The only reason Canada isn’t a bigger **** hole is because you have one city. Your country is a joke and your health care system sucks. That’s why physicians are flocking to the US from your only good medical campus in McGill.

You are clueless. You are reiterating false hoods brought about by Republican blowhards.  I have dealt personally with illnesses throughout my life that have  been more than adequately handled by our Canadian healthcare system. Nobody is flocking to United States. If we need an MRI, then there are multiple places to go there and some take advantage of the shorter wait times. The Mayo clinic probably sees some wealthy Canadians due to it's excellent work in multiple fields, but I know absolutely nobody that has ever looked at going to United States for treatment. Our healthcare system is quite all right thank you.

Edited July 23, 2018 by MiltonWaddams

[outsidethebox]

1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said:

There have been some fair points in regards to one city in Canada and it's sizeable amount of shootings in the year 2018. That's city has an immense issue right now in illegal handguns. If you examine the vast majority of Canada, you will see that that number is not even close, even by a per capita basis,  to the shootings in the US. When was the last time that you heard about a school being shot up in Canada? You didn't. Why are these kids getting access to guns in the way that they are?  Toronto's main issue to date has been associated with gang violence. This is a gang member on gang member and drug affiliated individuals shooting each other. Well that is not a defensible, but it is a difference between young children shooting up the school and thugs killing other thugs. As for DC Tom's  statement regarding that being FBI statistics, I'm not really sure what that actually means. I do know that there have been mass shootings in the news far too many times and something has to happen. The United States is the only nation that currently has this level of mass shooting issue. It is also the only country that has the laws in place that give every citizen the right to carry a firearm. Coincidence? I think not.

Let me get this straight. You want to take guns away because they can kill people. But it's perfectly ok to rip a baby out of a womans womb because she doesn't want it?

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

There have been some fair points in regards to one city in Canada and it's sizeable amount of shootings in the year 2018. That's city has an immense issue right now in illegal handguns. If you examine the vast majority of Canada, you will see that that number is not even close, even by a per capita basis,  to the shootings in the US. When was the last time that you heard about a school being shot up in Canada? You didn't. Why are these kids getting access to guns in the way that they are?  Toronto's main issue to date has been associated with gang violence. This is a gang member on gang member and drug affiliated individuals shooting each other. Well that is not a defensible, but it is a difference between young children shooting up the school and thugs killing other thugs. As for DC Tom's  statement regarding that being FBI statistics, I'm not really sure what that actually means. I do know that there have been mass shootings in the news far too many times and something has to happen. The United States is the only nation that currently has this level of mass shooting issue. It is also the only country that has the laws in place that give every citizen the right to carry a firearm. Coincidence? I think not.

You are clueless. You are reiterating false hoods brought about by Republican blowhards.  I have dealt personally with illnesses throughout my life that I've been more than adequately handled by our Canadian healthcare system. Nobody is flocking to United States. If we need an MRI, then there are multiple places to go there and some take advantage of the shorter wait times. The Mayo clinic probably sees some wealthy Canadians do too it's excellent work in multiple fields, but I know absolutely nobody that has ever looked at going to United States for treatment. Our healthcare system is quite all right thank youprobably sees some wealthy Canadians do too it's excellent work in multiple fields, but I know absolutely nobody that has ever looked at going to United States for treatment. Our healthcare system is quite all right thank you

Tell me why Canadian-trained doctors are leaving at a historic rate bro? It isn’t for the Mexican food let me tell ya.

 

”we only get our diagnostic tests and superior medical centers from the US, not our health care!”

 

Let me know the next time an Ortho does a shoulder replacement without an MRI.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, westside said:

Let me get this straight. You want to take guns away because they can kill people. But it's perfectly ok to rip a baby out of a womans womb because she doesn't want it?

I'm really not sure where you got that from. Like so many people, you take things and apply your own context. People like you are a reason these conversations go nowhere

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Tell me why Canadian-trained doctors are leaving at a historic rate bro? It isn’t for the Mexican food let me tell ya.

 

”we only get our diagnostic tests and superior medical centers from the US, not our health care!”

 

Let me know the next time an Ortho does a shoulder replacement without an MRI.

He's one of them and I work with multiple doctors that would never even consider moving to the United States. Definitely not your bro, as I use actual facts not those cited by studies that are completely biased towards your mindset. Doctors are not leaving at historical rates in fact today, specialists in Canada or making an equal or greater amount in there American counterparts. My stepfather He's one of them and I work with multiple doctors that would never even consider moving to the United States.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I'm really not sure where you got that from. Like so many people, you take things and apply your own context. People like you are a reason these conversations go nowhere

He's one of them and I work with multiple doctors that would never even consider moving to the United States. Definitely not your bro, as I use actual facts not those cited by studies that are completely biased towards your mindset. Doctors are not leaving at historical rates in fact today, specialists in Canada or making an equal or greater amount in there American counterparts. My stepfather He's one of them and I work with multiple doctors that would never even consider moving to the United States.

Repulican falsehoods from Huff Po!

 

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07/06/more-than-63-000-people-left-canada-for-medical-care-in-2016-fr_a_23019751/

[outsidethebox]

6 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I'm really not sure where you got that from. Like so many people, you take things and apply your own context. People like you are a reason these conversations go nowhere

 

The reason conversations with liberals/communists is because you refuse to see anything that doesn't coincide with your warp utopian views. Even when you are given tons of evidence, which you don't even have to look up yourself, you still refuse to acknowledge it. You say I'm the reason conversations don't go anywhere. 

That's ok, stick your head back in the sand and play dumb. It's what liberals are best at.

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Repulican falsehoods from Huff Po!

 

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07/06/more-than-63-000-people-left-canada-for-medical-care-in-2016-fr_a_23019751/

Quote

 

I’d forgotten all about this, but tonight was the date of the great Ted Cruz-Bernie Sanders debate. Apparently Cruz decided to haul out the old chestnut about Canadians fleeing en masse to the US for health care, which just proves how crappy government-run medicine is.

Lots of people are pointing out that this isn’t really true, but I want to point out something different: Americans flee the US in pretty similar numbers to Canadians fleeing Canada. The best numbers we have suggest that about 45,000 Canadians left the country for medical care in 2015. (That’s all destinations, not just the US.) Meanwhile, about 250,000 Americans left the US for medical care abroad. And these numbers don’t even count the number of Americans who get their prescription drugs from overseas.

 

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/americans-flee-america-overseas-health-care-just-canadians/

 

And if you think that MJ is too honest, I mean biased, look it up yourself

1 minute ago, westside said:

The reason conversations with liberals/communists is because you refuse to see anything that doesn't coincide with your warp utopian views. Even when you are given tons of evidence, which you don't even have to look up yourself, you still refuse to acknowledge it. You say I'm the reason conversations don't go anywhere. 

That's ok, stick your head back in the sand and play dumb. It's what liberals are best at.

You know, I really object to you calling me a liberal! ?

 

 

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Repulican falsehoods from Huff Po!

 

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/07/06/more-than-63-000-people-left-canada-for-medical-care-in-2016-fr_a_23019751/

63000 people out of a population of close to 38 million!! We ARE flocking. Hilarious.

Admittedly, I was born liberal and I've never understood the mindset of a conservative or Republican. I believe that healthcare for all is something that should be written into the Constitution and I'm fortunate enough to live in a country that shares that belief. Seeing people suffer because they cannot afford medical care is appalling.  

 

I understand that a lot of people do not want to pay to help others when they're in need.Nobody should try to help their fellow man! And that Is a country that has openly stated they are built on Christian principals. Ridiculous.

 

 Canada is a democracy and is not socialist despite so many peoples accusations of such. We do care about our fellow Canadians and we do want the best for all. We have our issues, of course. We are a group of humans every group of humans has its issues. But, we live incredible lives in beautiful places.

A previous poster stated that Canada would be a (sic) crap-hole if we didn't have Toronto. As someone who grew up in Toronto, I would argue that it may be one of the crappiest parts of the country. From the East Coast to West Coast to North Coast, this is a country with astounding physical beauty, much like that of theUnited States.  Insinuating that our country is that much lesser than yours is ridiculous. If you cannot appreciate other places, your closed mindset is  a part of the problem and not the solution. I appreciate that Americans are patriotic. I appreciate that Americans are proud Of the beauty of their country and of the foundations that the country was built upon. These are fantastic things. What I don't appreciate is people that feel they are so superior to others and cannot see past their nose to see that other places are just as good in many ways and in some ways better. The United States has incredible things going for it. It is a great country. This is not a Canadian telling you that Canada is the greatest country on the planet this is a Canadian telling you that things can always be improved upon and approaching challenges with an open mind and a willingness to change for the better is a great first step. I'm not going to change the world with my statements. I doubt I even change anybody's mind, but I do feel that it's fine to speak mine. People citing false statistics or even pointless or baseless ones have been putting me down in this forum.  It doesn't affect my day-to-day life.

This will be my final post here in PPP. It's ridiculous to continue this conversation. It's going nowhere. Keep being bills fans and I hope to one day enjoy a beer and some good football conversation In Hammer's Lot with each of you. In a place where politics doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is the unification of people behind the greatest football team on the planet, the Buffalo Bills.

Edited July 23, 2018 by MiltonWaddams

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

51 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

There have been some fair points in regards to one city in Canada and it's sizeable amount of shootings in the year 2018. That's city has an immense issue right now in illegal handguns. If you examine the vast majority of Canada, you will see that that number is not even close, even by a per capita basis,  to the shootings in the US. When was the last time that you heard about a school being shot up in Canada? You didn't. Why are these kids getting access to guns in the way that they are?  Toronto's main issue to date has been associated with gang violence. This is a gang member on gang member and drug affiliated individuals shooting each other. Well that is not a defensible, but it is a difference between young children shooting up the school and thugs killing other thugs. As for DC Tom's  statement regarding that being FBI statistics, I'm not really sure what that actually means. I do know that there have been mass shootings in the news far too many times and something has to happen. The United States is the only nation that currently has this level of mass shooting issue. It is also the only country that has the laws in place that give every citizen the right to carry a firearm. Coincidence? I think not.

You are clueless. You are reiterating false hoods brought about by Republican blowhards.  I have dealt personally with illnesses throughout my life that have  been more than adequately handled by our Canadian healthcare system. Nobody is flocking to United States. If we need an MRI, then there are multiple places to go there and some take advantage of the shorter wait times. The Mayo clinic probably sees some wealthy Canadians due to it's excellent work in multiple fields, but I know absolutely nobody that has ever looked at going to United States for treatment. Our healthcare system is quite all right thank you.

Do this:

 

1. Make Toronto a gun-free zone on a six month trial basis.  Buy lots of signs so people know, you can get them at Staples;

2. This one is controversial, but make Toronto a gang-free zone on a 12 month basis.  Again, signs are important here, but use strong language so the gang members know you're serious about this;

 

After 24 months, probably, gangs and guns will be gone in Toronto, you will have only invested in signs and most of the heavy lifting was done in 18 months.  Then, roll the program out to the rest of the country.  

 

Oh, and in the meantime, tell all of the victims of gun violence in Canada that while the bullets may have hurt/maimed/killed them, they really have nothing to complain about because the bullets were fired by gang members and at least it wasn't a mass shooting.  

 

Consider.

 

 

 

 

 

[GG]

8 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I understand that a lot of people do not want to pay to help others when they're in need.Nobody should try to help their fellow man! And that Is a country that has openly stated they are built on Christian principals. Ridiculous.

 

 

 

Reading this is kind of funny in the context of the fact that conservatives donate more to charity than liberals.

[Kelly101]

17 hours ago, njbuff said:

I actually like Canada very much, but face facts.................

 

Most of the world views Canada as insignificant and couldn't point you out on a map, so your smugness is laughable at best.

 

And it's pretty obvious you know nothing about American politics.

 

It's the Democrats that are ruining this country, not Trump. They are the ones who are unhinged over Trump, while REAL American citizens just go about their day and don't give two flying fvcks who the President is.

 

I give you me as an example................... Trump being President or not has ZERO significance in my life as who is in the Oval Office isn't changing my life.

Only if he exclusively believes the tib bot

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

63000 people out of a population of close to 38 million!! We ARE flocking. Hilarious.

 

63000 out of whatever fraction of the population of 38 million needed medical care.  I doubt all 38 million needed even so much as an outpatient procedure done.

 

You have a very poor understanding of numbers.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

As for DC Tom's  statement regarding that being FBI statistics, I'm not really sure what that actually means.

 

The FBI's definition of "mass shooting" is "four or more people - including the shooter - injured or killed by gunfire."  That would include instances of drug violence, gang violence, domestic violence (e.g. man kills family, then himself), etc.

 

The colloquial definition of "mass shooting" is what just happened in Toronto: single person goes on shooting spree, targeting strangers or random people, for no discernible motive other than to shoot people.  

 

The problem with using the FBI's definition and statistics is that it equates a bank robbery where the the two robbers are killed and two police officers injured in an exchange of gunfire with the San Ysidro McDonalds massacre in 1984.  And these are not the same thing.

[LeviF]

I'm not even sure why this is a thread.  America rules, Canada drools.  This is a long-held truth that isn't ever up for debate.

[4merper4mer]

57 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

I'm not even sure why this is a thread.  America rules, Canada drools.  This is a long-held truth that isn't ever up for debate.

Canadians drool........when they look at their Celine Dion poster.  That ought to tell you everything you need to know.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

26 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Canadians drool........when they look at their Celine Dion poster.  That ought to tell you everything you need to know.

 

It was only a matter of time

 

[Gary M]

17 hours ago, Iron Maiden said:

I love Canada...Neil Young....Rush.....Hockey...Pamela Anderson ( when she was young..lol ).....Captain Kirk.....Martin Short....Jim Carey...Avril Lavigne...Ryan Reynolds....Dan Akroyd...John Candy ( RIP )....Howie Mandel....Mike Myers...Keifer Sutherland.....Bryan Adams....Shania Twain.....Drake.....Leslie Nielson ( RIP )....Alanis Morissette....etc....lots of star power from a relatively small population...ironically, Canada is the largest country in the world besides Russia....

 

Vancouver is one of the most beautiful city in the world...and Montreal....let's just say if you want to party...there's not many city in the world that offer more options than Montreal..

 

How could you forget?

 

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

63000 people out of a population of close to 38 million!! We ARE flocking. Hilarious.

Admittedly, I was born liberal and I've never understood the mindset of a conservative or Republican. I believe that healthcare for all is something that should be written into the Constitution and I'm fortunate enough to live in a country that shares that belief. Seeing people suffer because they cannot afford medical care is appalling.  

 

I understand that a lot of people do not want to pay to help others when they're in need.Nobody should try to help their fellow man! And that Is a country that has openly stated they are built on Christian principals. Ridiculous.

 

 Canada is a democracy and is not socialist despite so many peoples accusations of such. We do care about our fellow Canadians and we do want the best for all. We have our issues, of course. We are a group of humans every group of humans has its issues. But, we live incredible lives in beautiful places.

A previous poster stated that Canada would be a (sic) crap-hole if we didn't have Toronto. As someone who grew up in Toronto, I would argue that it may be one of the crappiest parts of the country. From the East Coast to West Coast to North Coast, this is a country with astounding physical beauty, much like that of theUnited States.  Insinuating that our country is that much lesser than yours is ridiculous. If you cannot appreciate other places, your closed mindset is  a part of the problem and not the solution. I appreciate that Americans are patriotic. I appreciate that Americans are proud Of the beauty of their country and of the foundations that the country was built upon. These are fantastic things. What I don't appreciate is people that feel they are so superior to others and cannot see past their nose to see that other places are just as good in many ways and in some ways better. The United States has incredible things going for it. It is a great country. This is not a Canadian telling you that Canada is the greatest country on the planet this is a Canadian telling you that things can always be improved upon and approaching challenges with an open mind and a willingness to change for the better is a great first step. I'm not going to change the world with my statements. I doubt I even change anybody's mind, but I do feel that it's fine to speak mine. People citing false statistics or even pointless or baseless ones have been putting me down in this forum.  It doesn't affect my day-to-day life.

This will be my final post here in PPP. It's ridiculous to continue this conversation. It's going nowhere. Keep being bills fans and I hope to one day enjoy a beer and some good football conversation In Hammer's Lot with each of you. In a place where politics doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is the unification of people behind the greatest football team on the planet, the Buffalo Bills.

I will start with an area or two where we are in agreement:

 

1. Toronto is a crap hole

2.  There is astounding physical beauty in Canada, but it reminds me more of Europa than of the USA.  

3. Things can always get better in all places.  In Canada, this is especially true but also relies on outside factors like global warming and highly selective breeding.

 

Where we disagree:

 

1. Healthcare written into the constitution.  Let's say it had been written into the constitution of every nation since the beginning of time.  What would the state of healthcare be now?  To put it into Canadian terms, imagine that hockey pucks were free and always had been free.  Who would enter the hockey puck industry?  The best and the brightest?  What would hockey pucks be like today?  Ok maybe that is a bad example.

 

2. The insinuation that being against government health care is equivalent to not wanting to help or being ok with people suffering.  Thinking government being in charge of anything will lower the aggregate amount of suffering has been proven wrong every single day in human history.  It is a childish outlook, not one of an advanced society.