Reuben Foster; Suspension

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

I'm not going to enter into the fray on judging him a good guy or a bad guy. However, if the discussion revolves around whether he is a mature or immature individual that is another category that directly relates to his profession. Some players are always going to have issues swirling around themselves outside of football. Yet those activities outside of the game  directly relate to football. Without engaging in the legality of his conduct his poor judgment off the field has resulted in his suspension and closer scrutiny by the league office that can imperil his career. 

 

It seems to me that both Foster and Dareus are the type of people who can't be trusted, especially off the field. I'm not saying they are bad people. I don't know much about Foster but I do know that Dareus isn't a bad guy. But what I am saying  is that they are far from being mature adults who can responsibly handle the challenges and  temptations outside of the game associated with being a pro athlete. 

 

The issues that made Foster drop down to the 31st pick are the same issues that resulted in him being suspended and having legal troubles. He is the type of person that McDermott doesn't want on his roster and want to deal with. In the short run you are missing out on some talent but in the long run you are building a smarter and more mature roster that will prove to be more successful.  

 

 

 

That last bit can be a bit of a question mark, John. I won’t say it’s a given. A lot of times those types of guys are what push a good team over the top during a championship window. With the cap leveling talent, hitting on a few risks on the cheap goes a long way to creating a talent differential. 

 

A few side notes: a top 3 pick getting a 100m contract with little team protection is a bit different than 31. Adding those guys to a very good team with a qb and a true championship window open is much more likely to work than tossing them on a bad and already chaotic roster. 

2 minutes ago, stony said:

The Calguns Foundation seems like a solid source w/o any agenda to push. 

 

It also seems to address the wording of the statement vs the current law much more directly than claiming that fosters situation is “bogus”

38 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

The charge was reduced to a misdemeanor. The gun was purchased legally in Alabama.

 

So it was an on the fence between misdemeanor and felony situation and he got the lesser? Why’s it bogus?

[Sky Diver]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

That last bit can be a bit of a question mark, John. I won’t say it’s a given. A lot of times those types of guys are what push a good team over the top during a championship window. With the cap leveling talent, hitting on a few risks on the cheap goes a long way to creating a talent differential. 

 

A few side notes: a top 3 pick getting a 100m contract with little team protection is a bit different than 31. Adding those guys to a very good team with a qb and a true championship window open is much more likely to work than tossing them on a bad and already chaotic roster. 

 

It also seems to address the wording of the statement vs the current law much more directly than claiming that fosters situation is “bogus”

 

So it was an on the fence between misdemeanor and felony situation and he got the lesser? Why’s it bogus?

 

It’s explained well here.

 

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/04/12/1469660/0/en/Santa-Clara-DA-s-Office-Issues-Misleading-Statements-in-News-Release-About-California-Gun-Laws-Assault-Weapons.html

14 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm not going to enter into the fray on judging him a good guy or a bad guy. However, if the discussion revolves around whether he is a mature or immature individual that is another category that directly relates to his profession. Some players are always going to have issues swirling around themselves outside of football. Yet those activities outside of the game  directly relate to football. Without engaging in the legality of his conduct his poor judgment off the field has resulted in his suspension and closer scrutiny by the league office that can imperil his career. 

 

It seems to me that both Foster and Dareus are the type of people who can't be trusted, especially off the field. I'm not saying they are bad people. I don't know much about Foster but I do know that Dareus isn't a bad guy. But what I am saying  is that they are far from being mature adults who can responsibly handle the challenges and  temptations outside of the game associated with being a pro athlete. 

 

The issues that made Foster drop down to the 31st pick are the same issues that resulted in him being suspended and having legal troubles. He is the type of person that McDermott doesn't want on his roster and want to deal with. In the short run you are missing out on some talent but in the long run you are building a smarter and more mature roster that will prove to be more successful.  

 

 

 

There were medical concerns about Foster.

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

It’s explained well here.

 

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/04/12/1469660/0/en/Santa-Clara-DA-s-Office-Issues-Misleading-Statements-in-News-Release-About-California-Gun-Laws-Assault-Weapons.html

 

There were medical concerns about Foster.

The issues that have gotten him suspended and have jeopardized his career have little to do with his physical problems. 

[Sky Diver]

10 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The issues that have gotten him suspended and have jeopardized his career have little to do with his physical problems. 

 

He fell in the draft largely because of concerns with his shoulder.

 

By all the accounts I’ve seen, he’s a team guy. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/49ers/amp/49ers-warmly-welcome-back-Reuben-Foster-12955823.php

 

Can you please explain why there was a rush to judgement on his guilt in the domestic violence case before any of the facts regarding the matter came out?

Edited July 4, 2018 by Sky Diver

[JohnC]

10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He fell in the draft largely because of concerns with his shoulder.

 

By all the accounts I’ve seen, he’s a team guy. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/49ers/amp/49ers-warmly-welcome-back-Reuben-Foster-12955823.php

 

Can you please explain why there was a rush to judgement on his guilt in the domestic violence case before any of the facts regarding the matter came out?

What rush to judgment?  He has been embroiled with issues since he began his career. As I said in a prior post the question isn't whether he is a criminal or not as it is whether he is mature enough to play in this league without being plagued with problems that affect his career. As it stands now he will be serving a suspension and will be under closer scrutiny by the  league that could jeopardize his career. 

34 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

That last bit can be a bit of a question mark, John. I won’t say it’s a given. A lot of times those types of guys are what push a good team over the top during a championship window. With the cap leveling talent, hitting on a few risks on the cheap goes a long way to creating a talent differential. 

 

 

The problem isn't the first contract. From a talent standpoint you are getting a bargain price with that first contract. But is he the type of guy that you are willing to invest in with a more lucrative second contract? I'm not arguing that you should only select angels who volunteer at orphanages. What I'm arguing  is that when you acquire too many of these immature people (not saying bad people) you end up with this constant personal turmoil that in the end doesn't help you as much as you think relative to their talent level. 

[Sky Diver]

29 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He fell in the draft largely because of concerns with his shoulder.

 

By all the accounts I’ve seen, he’s a team guy. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/49ers/amp/49ers-warmly-welcome-back-Reuben-Foster-12955823.php

 

What rush to judgement? He was convicted by most here for domestic violence before any of the facts came out. Why do you think that is?

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

I can’t believe someone from such a prestigious academic school as Alabama could get suspended.  This isn’t the Saban  way!

Edited July 4, 2018 by C.Biscuit97

[Sky Diver]

54 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I can’t believe someone from such a prestigious academic school as Alabama could get suspended.  This isn’t the Saban  way!

 

UA is an excellent school that is a bargain for elite students.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html

 

State of the art facilities for athletes.

 

https://bamahammer.com/2018/06/30/alabama-football-tide-near-top-ncaa-revenues-expenses/

 

Edited July 4, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Sky Diver]

The mean ACT for engineering students who enrolled in 2017 was 30.1. That means that the average engineering student at The University of Alabama in the class of 2021 scored higher than 94 out of 100 students that took the exam. Their average HS GPA was 3.96.

 

Not only does UA attract top football talent, it attracts top students.

 

Roll Tide!

[Royale with Cheese]

Geezus.....here it is again.  

[FrankoElTanko]

On 7/4/2018 at 7:23 AM, JohnC said:

I'm not going to enter into the fray on judging him a good guy or a bad guy. However, if the discussion revolves around whether he is a mature or immature individual that is another category that directly relates to his profession. Some players are always going to have issues swirling around themselves outside of football. Yet those activities outside of the game  directly relate to football. Without engaging in the legality of his conduct his poor judgment off the field has resulted in his suspension and closer scrutiny by the league office that can imperil his career. 

 

It seems to me that both Foster and Dareus are the type of people who can't be trusted, especially off the field. I'm not saying they are bad people. I don't know much about Foster but I do know that Dareus isn't a bad guy. But what I am saying  is that they are far from being mature adults who can responsibly handle the challenges and  temptations outside of the game associated with being a pro athlete. 

 

The issues that made Foster drop down to the 31st pick are the same issues that resulted in him being suspended and having legal troubles. He is the type of person that McDermott doesn't want on his roster and want to deal with. In the short run you are missing out on some talent but in the long run you are building a smarter and more mature roster that will prove to be more successful.  

 

 

 

Thank you so much for this.... Maybe the term "character" was a bit oversold and overstated but this ^ is EXACTLY what I was trying to convey... Unfortunately, you cannot EVER have ANYTHING negative to say about Alabama alumnus... In fact, it makes me that much more grateful to have AJ McCarron come season time because I really enjoy his opinions on TBD. However, with that being said your post is exactly why I would not touch Foster... Like I stated a ton. His decision making reflects poorly on how people (myself and what I assume to be the majority of teams that saw him fall to 31) view him...

 

On 7/4/2018 at 7:35 AM, Sky Diver said:

 

It’s explained well here.

 

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/04/12/1469660/0/en/Santa-Clara-DA-s-Office-Issues-Misleading-Statements-in-News-Release-About-California-Gun-Laws-Assault-Weapons.html

 

There were medical concerns about Foster.

 

There is absolutely NO WAY that his shoulder is the primary reason he fell to 31... He started the season ready to play... No team passes on supposed elite talent when they have an injury that "limits" them to starting week one and playing like a ROY candidate... Just admit it man, Foster makes terrible decisions and his maturity, character or whatever you want to call it, is now costing him games! 

 

On 7/4/2018 at 8:02 AM, JohnC said:

What rush to judgment?  He has been embroiled with issues since he began his career. As I said in a prior post the question isn't whether he is a criminal or not as it is whether he is mature enough to play in this league without being plagued with problems that affect his career. As it stands now he will be serving a suspension and will be under closer scrutiny by the  league that could jeopardize his career. 

The problem isn't the first contract. From a talent standpoint you are getting a bargain price with that first contract. But is he the type of guy that you are willing to invest in with a more lucrative second contract? I'm not arguing that you should only select angels who volunteer at orphanages. What I'm arguing  is that when you acquire too many of these immature people (not saying bad people) you end up with this constant personal turmoil that in the end doesn't help you as much as you think relative to their talent level. 

 

^ Another testament to his decision making and judgement. He has literally been involved in multiple off-field incidents that have either correlated to assault, possession, traffic violation and domestic violence... ALREADY... IN HIS ROOKIE YR OFF SEASON AND YEAR ONE alone... 

 

I mean what it is going to take, an OJ-esque type performance, for you to believe that he cannot be trusted and is not the quality of man you may give him credit for... which solely seems to stem from his 3yrs (2 starting) at Alabama, where he left early. 

 

Why would it be so wrong to say that relying on him would be terrible because he is unreliable and immature. Having him on the Bills would be a massive liability due to his decision making skills, the same way that it is to the 49ers, who can not count on him for 16 games due to injuries AND legal issues/league related issues?

4 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

The mean ACT for engineering students who enrolled in 2017 was 30.1. That means that the average engineering student at The University of Alabama in the class of 2021 scored higher than 94 out of 100 students that took the exam. Their average HS GPA was 3.96.

 

Not only does UA attract top football talent, it attracts top students.

 

Roll Tide!

 

and I am sure that Reuben Foster exemplifies all of those traits... Roll Tide!

Edited July 5, 2018 by FrankoElTanko

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, FrankoElTanko said:

 

Thank you so much for this.... Maybe the term "character" was a bit oversold and overstated but this ^ is EXACTLY what I was trying to convey... Unfortunately, you cannot EVER have ANYTHING negative to say about Alabama alumnus... In fact, it makes me that much more grateful to have AJ McCarron come season time because I really enjoy his opinions on TBD. However, with that being said your post is exactly why I would not touch Foster... Like I stated a ton. His decision making reflects poorly on how people (myself and what I assume to be the majority of teams that saw him fall to 31) view him...

 

 

There is absolutely NO WAY that his shoulder is the primary reason he fell to 31... He started the season ready to play... No team passes on supposed elite talent when they have an injury that "limits" them to starting week one and playing like a ROY candidate... Just admit it man, Foster makes terrible decisions and his maturity, character or whatever you want to call it, is now costing him games! 

 

 

^ Another testament to his decision making and judgement. He has literally been involved in multiple off-field incidents that have either correlated to assault, possession, traffic violation and domestic violence... ALREADY... IN HIS ROOKIE YR OFF SEASON AND YEAR ONE alone... 

 

I mean what it is going to take and OJ-esque performance, for you to believe that he cannot be trusted and is not the quality of man you may give him credit for... which solely seems to stem from his 3yrs (2 starting) at Alabama, where he left early. 

 

Why would it be so wrong to say that relying on him would be terrible because he is unreliable and immature. Having him on the Bills would be a massive liability due to his decision making skills, the same way that it is to the 49ers, who can not count on him for 16 games due to injuries AND legal issues/league related issues?

 

and I am sure that Reuben Foster exemplifies all of those traits... Roll Tide!

 

Haha, let’s judge an academic institution with 36,000 students based on 1 individual. 

[FrankoElTanko]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Haha, let’s judge an academic institution with 36,000 students based on 1 individual. 

Trust me I am not. I am sure Alabama is fine institution, just that Reuben Foster may not be a beacon of academic excellence. Plus, didnt you bring up their academic prowess in response to someone questioning how an Athlete of Saban's at Alabama could never be suspended because of how prestigious the school was academically (sarcasm from OP)?

 

You win dude, the 49ers should be grateful for the 10 games (they may) get from Foster this year and even more ecstatic when their defensive captain returns next off-season to (maybe) be able to enter 2019 fresh and ready for a 16 game season with no drama/suspensions. In fact, it's too bad we passed on him, I would have much rather had an athlete of his caliber and a person with such a strong head on his shoulders to lead our defense over Tre White. Us and the rest of the NFL was crazy to pass on him for that "shoulder injury" that just keeps nagging him to this day... Unfortunate situation that same "injury" (maturity and suspensions) scouts could foresee being an issue just cost him a few games.

 

Roll Tide!

 

Go Bills, thank God we didn't touch the dude, problem city.

[Sky Diver]

Barrett Jones, BS/MS in accounting with a 4.0 GPA both undergrad and grad. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Jones

 

You are aware that UA enrolls about 36,000 students, right?

Edited July 5, 2018 by Sky Diver

[FrankoElTanko]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

Barrett Jones, BS/MS in accounting with a 4.0 GPA both undergrad and grad. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_Jones

 

You are aware that UA enrolls about 36,000 students, right?

What does that have to do with Reuben Foster and him being a child?

 

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, FrankoElTanko said:

What does that have to do with Reuben Foster and him being a child?

 

Just responding to this ridiculous comment.

 

“I can’t believe someone from such a prestigious academic school as Alabama could get suspended.  This isn’t the Saban  way!”

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Haha, let’s judge an academic institution with 36,000 students based on 1 individual. 

Alabama has made tremendous strides in upgrading the university and making it a signature state school with some national and world recognized programs in the medical and science field. The recognition that they are getting in the academic world is well deserved. I have read where some students who have garnered scholarships from Harvard and other Ivy League schools have declined offers and instead decided to pursue their studies at Bama. No question that the University academic profile is on the rise, and deservedly so. 

 

However, too often when a Bama player is criticized the reflexive response from some Crimson Tide fans is that it is an assault on the integrity of the school and the south. That isn't the case for me and others who are discussing the Foster issue. There is simply too much defensiveness and tribalism when an Alabama player is under scrutiny.  Or another way of looking at it is that by stereotyping the critics as biased toward the school and region it is a way of skirting the issue that is under discussion. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Alabama has made tremendous strides in upgrading the university and making it a signature state school with some national and world recognized programs in the medical and science field. The recognition that they are getting in the academic world is well deserved. I have read where some students who have garnered scholarships from Harvard and other Ivy League schools have declined offers and instead decided to pursue their studies at Bama. No question that the University academic profile is on the rise, and deservedly so. 

 

However, too often when a Bama player is criticized the reflexive response from some Crimson Tide fans is that it is an assault on the integrity of the school and the south. That isn't the case for me and others who are discussing the Foster issue. There is simply too much defensiveness and tribalism when an Alabama player is under scrutiny.  Or another way of looking at it is that by stereotyping the critics as biased toward the school and region it is a way of skirting the issue that is under discussion. 

 

Weve tried. I promise we have all tried.

[FrankoElTanko]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Alabama has made tremendous strides in upgrading the university and making it a signature state school with some national and world recognized programs in the medical and science field. The recognition that they are getting in the academic world is well deserved. I have read where some students who have garnered scholarships from Harvard and other Ivy League schools have declined offers and instead decided to pursue their studies at Bama. No question that the University academic profile is on the rise, and deservedly so. 

 

However, too often when a Bama player is criticized the reflexive response from some Crimson Tide fans is that it is an assault on the integrity of the school and the south. That isn't the case for me and others who are discussing the Foster issue. There is simply too much defensiveness and tribalism when an Alabama player is under scrutiny.  Or another way of looking at it is that by stereotyping the critics as biased toward the school and region it is a way of skirting the issue that is under discussion. 

 

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Weve tried. I promise we have all tried.

 

Thank you, I thought I was crazy for a second?

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Weve tried. I promise we have all tried.

For some people the Civil War never ended. The trench war stage may be over with but not the perpetual guerrilla war. 

[3rdand12]

32 minutes ago, JohnC said:

For some people the Civil War never ended. The trench war stage may be over with but not the perpetual guerrilla war. 

perhaps it hasn't  ? Regardless of Lincoln's most sincere and worthwhile efforts.
Some folks carry on a war that ended. Some have no idea of why it happened or that it did.

Evolution is not just for Neanderthals 

[Sky Diver]

56 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Alabama has made tremendous strides in upgrading the university and making it a signature state school with some national and world recognized programs in the medical and science field. The recognition that they are getting in the academic world is well deserved. I have read where some students who have garnered scholarships from Harvard and other Ivy League schools have declined offers and instead decided to pursue their studies at Bama. No question that the University academic profile is on the rise, and deservedly so. 

 

However, too often when a Bama player is criticized the reflexive response from some Crimson Tide fans is that it is an assault on the integrity of the school and the south. That isn't the case for me and others who are discussing the Foster issue. There is simply too much defensiveness and tribalism when an Alabama player is under scrutiny.  Or another way of looking at it is that by stereotyping the critics as biased toward the school and region it is a way of skirting the issue that is under discussion. 

 

I was just responding to a troll. To suggest there isn’t a bias against the south in general and Alabama in particular, especially from northeast elitists, is naive.

 

You are corect. There are many students at Alabama who turned down acceptances at Ivy League schools. Alabama has one of the highest enrollments of National Merit Scholars.

 

This student made national news recently.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

 

Turns out I was correct in defending Foster against the false domestic violence claims. The woman’s accusations didn’t make sense.

[Sky Diver]

Foster graduated from Alabama. The insinuation that he is stupid just shows more bias. And what does what he does after graduation have to do with the university? Is the university supposed be responsible to for every decision that a graduate makes until he dies?

 

The ignorance and jealousy here is overwhelming. UA is a football powerhouse and a fine academic institution. Just accept it.

[Koko78]

On 7/3/2018 at 3:12 PM, Mark Vader said:

2 games? He's very lucky.

 

Wonder who he snitched on...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/no-snitchin-eagles-lane-johnson-decries-nfl-policy-185305532.html

[Sky Diver]

I suspect Harvard has produced far more deviants than The University of Alabama.

http://jadeluckclub.com/top-10-from-harvard-to-prison-infamous-students-and-alums-invited-to-reunion/

https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/harvard-mbas-keep-going-to-prison-so-why-do-they-still-rule-the-world-.html

 

 

Edited July 6, 2018 by Sky Diver

[FrankoElTanko]

3 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

I suspect Harvard has produced far more deviants than The University of Alabama.

http://jadeluckclub.com/top-10-from-harvard-to-prison-infamous-students-and-alums-invited-to-reunion/

https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/harvard-mbas-keep-going-to-prison-so-why-do-they-still-rule-the-world-.html

 

 

Lmao who cares... foster is not reliable 

[Bing Bong]

Good God how many crappy characters have the 49ers linebacker corps over the years. Makes me wonder if Willis and that rookie that retired early looked around at Navarro Bowman, Ray Maulaga, Aldon Smith, and did not have fun being around em.

 

I should caveat that I don't think this particular guy is a poor character for just this. Just reminded me of that crazy talented LB Corp that could barely get on the field together with all those off field issues.

[Sky Diver]

5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Good God how many crappy characters have the 49ers linebacker corps over the years. Makes me wonder if Willis and that rookie that retired early looked around at Navarro Bowman, Ray Maulaga, Aldon Smith, and did not have fun being around em.

 

I should caveat that I don't think this particular guy is a poor character for just this. Just reminded me of that crazy talented LB Corp that could barely get on the field together with all those off field issues.

 

56 NFL players have been suspended in 2017 - 2018. Suspensions aren’t unusual occurrences, sadly.

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

I suspect Harvard has produced far more deviants than The University of Alabama.

http://jadeluckclub.com/top-10-from-harvard-to-prison-infamous-students-and-alums-invited-to-reunion/

https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/harvard-mbas-keep-going-to-prison-so-why-do-they-still-rule-the-world-.html

 

 

 

Ive got to ask for my own curiosity- are you a Tuscaloosa guy or an at a distance fan?

[Sky Diver]

52 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Ive got to ask for my own curiosity- are you a Tuscaloosa guy or an at a distance fan?

 

I am a northeasterner, but I am not an elitist and I have traveled enough that I don't have stupid stereotypical views of different regions of the US.  

 

I try not to judge a book by it's cover either.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Sky Diver

[JohnC]

12 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I was just responding to a troll. To suggest there isn’t a bias against the south in general and Alabama in particular, especially from northeast elitists, is naive.

 

You are corect. There are many students at Alabama who turned down acceptances at Ivy League schools. Alabama has one of the highest enrollments of National Merit Scholars.

 

This student made national news recently.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

 

Turns out I was correct in defending Foster against the false domestic violence claims. The woman’s accusations didn’t make sense.

What makes less sense is his decision to be involved with a crazy woman. That is another example of his less than judicious decision-making. He also has the distinction of being the only person sent home from the combine because he got in a dispute with a hospital staff member. And he is going to be sidelined the first two games of the season for an accumulation of questionable behavior. 

 

No question there are people who have biases against Alabama and the south. Yet you fail to realize that very often biases go in a number of directions, both north and south. And what you fail to acknowledge is that even though a person is biased that doesn't mean that every position taken is wrong. Biased or not taking the position that Foster is immature is far from being a radical thought when applied to this individual who is constantly embroiled in a turmoil of his own making. 

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I was just responding to a troll. To suggest there isn’t a bias against the south in general and Alabama in particular, especially from northeast elitists, is naive.

 

You are corect. There are many students at Alabama who turned down acceptances at Ivy League schools. Alabama has one of the highest enrollments of National Merit Scholars.

 

This student made national news recently.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

 

Turns out I was correct in defending Foster against the false domestic violence claims. The woman’s accusations didn’t make sense.

Lol at the accusation of bias in favor of northeastern schools.  When all of those disgusting things happened at Penn State, there were people on here crying foul at the treatment of poor old JoPa in a similarly creepy way to your obsession with Alabama.  They too were met with refutations that they just could not grasp.

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

What makes less sense is his decision to be involved with a crazy woman. That is another example of his less than judicious decision-making. He also has the distinction of being the only person sent home from the combine because he got in a dispute with a hospital staff member. And he is going to be sidelined the first two games of the season for an accumulation of questionable behavior. 

 

No question there are people who have biases against Alabama and the south. Yet you fail to realize that very often biases go in a number of directions, both north and south. And what you fail to acknowledge is that even though a person is biased that doesn't mean that every position taken is wrong. Biased or not taking the position that Foster is immature is far from being a radical thought when applied to this individual who is constantly embroiled in a turmoil of his own making. 

 

56 other NFL players were suspended in 2017 - 2018, the vast majority for more games than Foster.

 

A young guy smokes pot and makes a bad decision on a girlfriend. He isn't the first and won't be the last. And I'm not a pot advocate. He needs to cut it out.

 

There was a rush to judgment on Foster's guilt and a lot of piling on for a guy that doesn't even play for Buffalo. Based on what? The way he looks, his hairstyle, his home state, his socio-economic status, his family background? All very strange.

 

Edelman got busted for PEDs. I don't see anyone making a connection with Kent State.

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol at the accusation of bias in favor of northeastern schools.  When all of those disgusting things happened at Penn State, there were people on here crying foul at the treatment of poor old JoPa in a similarly creepy way to your obsession with Alabama.  They too were met with refutations that they just could not grasp.

 

Lol, you are comparing Foster with Paterno? I didn't bring Foster up on a Bills forum, but I'll respond to ignorant comments.

 

Why are Bills fans so obsessed with Reuben Foster as he has absolutely nothing to do with Buffalo?

[C.Biscuit97]

13 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I was just responding to a troll. To suggest there isn’t a bias against the south in general and Alabama in particular, especially from northeast elitists, is naive.

 

You are corect. There are many students at Alabama who turned down acceptances at Ivy League schools. Alabama has one of the highest enrollments of National Merit Scholars.

 

This student made national news recently.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

 

Turns out I was correct in defending Foster against the false domestic violence claims. The woman’s accusations didn’t make sense.

Haha, I think you’re referring to me as a troll but I think you have it reverse.  You are the biggest troll on here about Alabama players and attacking Josh Rosen (who made a crazy statement that Alabama players aren’t receiving quality educations).

 

1) Alabama is a great school for the state of Alabama.  Alabama also has one of the worst education systems in the US and is ranked 110 overall.  https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-alabama-1051

 

2). Foster is far from the only Bama player with arrests.  There’s a great website called google they should teach you about there.  Google Alabama football players arrested.  Not pretty.  

 

How’s Rolando McClain doing these days?  Compare this to Stanford, a far superior academic school, and how many players they get arrested.

 

So in closing, Alabama is the best college football program in the country.  The academics at U of A are tied for 110 in the country.  And Saban recruits some shady but talented players who are taking classes like basket weaving.  

[SouthNYfan]

On 7/3/2018 at 3:21 PM, Augie said:

 

Do they just hand this out at the rookie symposium? A lot of the guys probably couldn’t put those words together in that order, and a few might not be able to insert the team name. 

 

I am expected him to read it word for word and forget to edit it to the proper team etc

[Bing Bong]

4 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

56 NFL players have been suspended in 2017 - 2018. Suspensions aren’t unusual occurrences, sadly.

it is if your entire LB corps is batting like .750 on suspensions.

[Sky Diver]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, I think you’re referring to me as a troll but I think you have it reverse.  You are the biggest troll on here about Alabama players and attacking Josh Rosen (who made a crazy statement that Alabama players aren’t receiving quality educations).

 

1) Alabama is a great school for the state of Alabama.  Alabama also has one of the worst education systems in the US and is ranked 110 overall.  https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-alabama-1051

 

2). Foster is far from the only Bama player with arrests.  There’s a great website called google they should teach you about there.  Google Alabama football players arrested.  Not pretty.  

 

How’s Rolando McClain doing these days?  Compare this to Stanford, a far superior academic school, and how many players they get arrested.

 

So in closing, Alabama is the best college football program in the country.  The academics at U of A are tied for 110 in the country.  And Saban recruits some shady but talented players who are taking classes like basket weaving.  

 

The fact that you treat the US News & World Report rankings as Gospel demonstrates that you aren't serious.

 

Stanford players don't get in trouble? Hmm.

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/19/former-nfl-player-arrested-in-oregon-naked/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/sports/football/stanford-football-rape-accusation.html

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/02/06/stanford-football-star-arrested/

https://stanforddailyarchive.com/cgi-bin/stanford?a=d&d=stanford20040430-01.2.43&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------

https://stanforddailyarchive.com/cgi-bin/stanford?a=d&d=stanford19860106-01.2.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/01/03/Three-Stanford-football-players-including-starting-safety-Sam-Sutherland/3793505112400/

https://valleycentral.com/news/mexico/former-nfl-player-arrested-in-reynosa

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/02/23/ex-stanford-49ers-player-jonathan-martin-detained-by-police/

https://www.apnews.com/b1bbc618c1e64329a0ef29d3649260b8

 

Not pretty.

 

So in closing, other than acknowledging the obvious - Alabama does have the best football team in the country - you have no idea what you are talking about.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Sky Diver

[aristocrat]

clearly bama should be getting the death penalty

[FrankoElTanko]

 

It's like @Sky Diver cannot see the forest through the trees. Dude EVERYONE but you is stating that Foster makes questionable decisions and cannot be counted on for a season because of them... and now this has manifested into a defense of the university like it is being attacked?? Foster has a lot of baggage already, his fault or not but paint the narrative like, "he smoked a little pot and had bad girlfriend, so what" does not not paint the whole picture. You also said he needs to lay off the weed and that was the problem, right? In that case are we as fans justified in knowing he can and will be suspended because it is against the rules or is it blasphemous to say that about Alabama alumnus? 

 

(1) Disclaimer: I smoke weed every day, I most definitely do not judge. However, if I knew I would lose millions by being in the car with some weed because it is illegal there, I do not care WHAT AGE YOU ARE, I would not do that. It seems silly to jeopardize millions that way. This is ONE example of his questionable decision making that Reuben uses. Being sent home for the combine, for real? How can you NOT JUDGE the ONLY person to ever be sent home for arguing with staff? You ignore every point the posters make about him and then hone in on facts that are silly like Alabama's educational ranking or criticism of people's sources?

 

 (2) Do you see your own hypocrisy in saying things like, "he needs to get off the weed" or "the problem is the weed" and then saying things nonchalantly or passively like "a young guy smokes pot..." as if him smoking was the issue... The issue is him being immature enough to smoke pot or be in a car that has something illegal right before the draft, that is the red flag... do you really not see this?

 

(3) Let's add in the fact(s) that he had an unsecured weapon (within around a month of being viewed illegal) in the state of CA (the Bay too!) and could not think ahead enough that it may look bad or be viewed as in issue in such an area (super liberal and against guns CA... News you can get ANYWHERE), maybe, "I should secure it or put it away or make sure it is ready for the new gun laws before I left it out"... for law enforcement to see during a DV call, involving him. A DV call that REQUIRES someone to be arrested.

 

Again the issue is not the "bad decision on a girlfriend", it is the fact that he is kicking it with someone of her caliber to begin with. Did he have long term ties or some kind of loyalty to a person who presumably had not known for very long with such an extensive record or lying under oath to extort people? I don't know but it seems like another red flag to me that he would be caught in that situation, much yet when the gun is out in the open and loaded with a magazine that is sure to draw controversy to begin with. 

 

(4) Who cares about his academic prowess or that of any other athlete being suspended anyway. You keep pointing out all of these statistics about Alabama education like it matters to anyone or that anyone is clicking the link. What good is Reuben Foster's degree when he cannot figure out how NOT to be around contraband or poor  situations well enough to avoid a suspension. Furthermore, after 3/4 incidents (granted all for different issues) it makes you wonder if A. He happens to be the most unlucky person alive, or B. He very well may be putting himself into poor situations regularly. 

 

(5) Finally, I ask you, who would you rather draft. If you could choose between a talented and young player w/All-pro capability but you were only guaranteed 12 games or less or someone who will start for 16? It is easy, I will decide for you, like the other 30 teams in the league did last year. Nobody wanted to gamble on him because of "him". That is all. There is no debate, no argument to be had, no mention of "elitists" who "seem to have it out for the south"? What the **** are you talking about?

 

This post was about Reuben Foster, the LB for the 49ers and his suspensions being a result of his poor decision making and immaturity which all reflect poorly on his character. I am sorry that Alabama LB alumni with questionable character decisions (McClain) are compared but it is what it is.Yes although it is everywhere and from those who come from any university (arrests) and every team has suspensions, using Foster and his increasing number of incidents is a poor example of as to why a person should take him? Are you real? Or are you some kind of bot programmed to defend Alabama players and false narratives of people on the TBD message "attacking the south"? 

Edited July 6, 2018 by FrankoElTanko

[C.Biscuit97]

37 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

The fact that you treat the US News & World Report rankings as Gospel demonstrates that you aren't serious.

 

Stanford players don't get in trouble? Hmm.

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/19/former-nfl-player-arrested-in-oregon-naked/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/sports/football/stanford-football-rape-accusation.html

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/02/06/stanford-football-star-arrested/

https://stanforddailyarchive.com/cgi-bin/stanford?a=d&d=stanford20040430-01.2.43&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------

https://stanforddailyarchive.com/cgi-bin/stanford?a=d&d=stanford19860106-01.2.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/01/03/Three-Stanford-football-players-including-starting-safety-Sam-Sutherland/3793505112400/

https://valleycentral.com/news/mexico/former-nfl-player-arrested-in-reynosa

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/02/23/ex-stanford-49ers-player-jonathan-martin-detained-by-police/

https://www.apnews.com/b1bbc618c1e64329a0ef29d3649260b8

 

Not pretty.

 

So in closing, other than acknowledging the obvious - Alabama does have the best football team in the country - you have no idea what you are talking about.

You used a link from 1986 to make your point about Stanford?!?!??!

 

I’m done.  University of Alabama is the Harvard of Alabama.  Be proud of that.  And keep thinking Nick Saban is really looking out for these athletes best interests and not pushing them into cupcake classes to keep them eligible.  I’m sure if Foster (haha) wanted to go pre-med, Saban would have be all for it.