Another former disgruntled *Pat story but I like it :)

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think they want “their kind of guys”, but I don’t think there’s any spite to it. THAT is the difference in my mind. 

It’s like when coaches are accused of playing “favorites” which I think is hilarious when being played out as a negative agenda. 

 

Yes, all coaches have “favorites.” They favor competitors. Players who pay attention. Work hard. Take instruction. Lead. Have heart. But, these “favorites” are often held to a higher standard as well by the coaches. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Sounds like he didn’t #trusttheprocess. Guys like him are replaceable so BB gave him the axe.

 

I love the fact that McD has a process AND the players like him and the Process.

 

 

15 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

If you didn't watch this embedded tweet, do it now! 

 

 

 

That is awesome !!!

 

Who is the third guy? (Not Brady and Gronk)

 

 

[Maynard]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I love the fact that McD has a process AND the players like him and the Process.

 

 

 

That is awesome !!!

 

Who is the third guy? (Not Brady and Gronk)

 

 

Brady’s personal trainer I think.

[switz1610]

18 hours ago, TigerJ said:

My reation to all this is that Belichick probably operates with an all business philosophy in dealing with his players.  Obviously, it works for the Patriots, and some players thrive in that atmosphere.  Others aren't going to.  Rex Ryan is the anti-Bill Bellichick, and that obviously didn't work in Buffalo.  Sean McDermott's approach is probably closer to Belichick's with a critical difference - he has created an atmosphere of mutual caring and commitment.  The coaches seem to care about the players.  The players seem to care about the other players and the coaches.  Overall, I like that, and think it is healthy, but there is one drawback - when it becomes obvious that a change in personnel becomes necessary, it always hurts a little more to be dumped by somebody you thought cared about you.  With Belichick, you accept when you sign with New England that the moment you lose your value as a team contributor you're going to be cut or traded.

 

Getting cut is part of the process for some.

[Mr. WEO]

19 hours ago, TigerJ said:

My reation to all this is that Belichick probably operates with an all business philosophy in dealing with his players.  Obviously, it works for the Patriots, and some players thrive in that atmosphere.  Others aren't going to.  Rex Ryan is the anti-Bill Bellichick, and that obviously didn't work in Buffalo.  Sean McDermott's approach is probably closer to Belichick's with a critical difference - he has created an atmosphere of mutual caring and commitment.  The coaches seem to care about the players.  The players seem to care about the other players and the coaches.  Overall, I like that, and think it is healthy, but there is one drawback - when it becomes obvious that a change in personnel becomes necessary, it always hurts a little more to be dumped by somebody you thought cared about you.  With Belichick, you accept when you sign with New England that the moment you lose your value as a team contributor you're going to be cut or traded.

 

 

Hasn't McD essentially gutted the roster of  the mutually cared for players he inherited---the moment they lost their value....?

 

Sounds like he is "committed" to getting his own guys in there.  Nothing wrong there, but there's no real difference.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Maynard said:

Brady’s personal trainer I think.

 

 

You would be correct

[Soda Popinski]

21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have some Urban Meyer stories. He scares the **** out of everyone and is an over intense !@#$. But, he wins. Even the assistants feel this way, but they know the opportunities the program affords them. And the players love their position coaches, who they spend the most time with anyway. And they love to win, have their bodies transformed by Mickey Marrotti,  be on national tv all the time, and get drafted by the NFL. It’s not a ton of fun, but certain kids are willing to sign up for it. Some make it, some don’t. If he thinks a kid can’t mentally or physically  handle it, he tells him to transfer because their is another 4 or 5 star waiting on that scholly who can.

Urban Meyer is an elitist Douchebag.   We went to a concert at the house of blues a few years ago, the Tebow years at UF and we had a great spot picked out, we were asked to move so him and his Chadtuckets could come stand there instead drinking Mich Ultras and standing directly in our way.    Eff him and everything about him. 

[TigerJ]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Hasn't McD essentially gutted the roster of  the mutually cared for players he inherited---the moment they lost their value....?

 

Sounds like he is "committed" to getting his own guys in there.  Nothing wrong there, but there's no real difference.

You make a good point, as does switz.  Cutting players is necessary in the NFL, and "McBeane" certainly has done that.  It's impossible to make an objective comparison between the way Belichick does it and the way it happens for the Bills.  I wonder what Belichick would have done with Kyle Williams for instance.  Kyle is still a good player, but his salary cap figure might be higher than his production in the coming season.  One can argue that Belichick would have cut him and signed a cheaper replacement.  Beane did that with Dareus and Lotulelei, but the problem with Dareus seemed to be attitude and commitment, not age.  We'll never know for sure, but it seems like Beane made a choice to keep Kyle for one more season even though it might not have been the most cost effective decision.  One at least gets the impression that it's harder for McDermott and Beane to cut a player who has the right attitude but might not be as productive as hoped than it is for Belichick.  That's not to say McDermott and Beane don't do it.  

[Freddie's Dead]

It's all about Marcia.  Belichick will go back to the pack as a coach when she decides to retire.

[YoloinOhio]

23 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

Urban Meyer is an elitist Douchebag.   We went to a concert at the house of blues a few years ago, the Tebow years at UF and we had a great spot picked out, we were asked to move so him and his Chadtuckets could come stand there instead drinking Mich Ultras and standing directly in our way.    Eff him and everything about him. 

That doesn’t surprise me at all. I have many stories but one is that he lives at Muirfield Village golf course and during the pga Memorial Tournament that is held there, you are not allowed to talk on a cell phone. You will get kicked out. It’s been a rule forever. Oh, except for him. 

Edited June 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[section122]

On 6/4/2018 at 5:44 PM, TigerJ said:

 Sean McDermott's approach is probably closer to Belichick's with a critical difference - he has created an atmosphere of mutual caring and commitment.  The coaches seem to care about the players.  The players seem to care about the other players and the coaches.  Overall, I like that, and think it is healthy, but there is one drawback - when it becomes obvious that a change in personnel becomes necessary, it always hurts a little more to be dumped by somebody you thought cared about you.  With Belichick, you accept when you sign with New England that the moment you lose your value as a team contributor you're going to be cut or traded.

 

Football is obviously different than basketball but Steve Kerr runs the Warriors like this.  He is the coach but also one voice among a sea of others.  The players and assistant coaches are allowed to speak and offer up their ideas which are listened to.  I know he caught grief for doing it but at one point had players running the huddle during timeouts.  I thought it was unique but a great way to work with the younger generation.

 

On 6/5/2018 at 12:47 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Hasn't McD essentially gutted the roster of  the mutually cared for players he inherited---the moment they lost their value....?

 

Sounds like he is "committed" to getting his own guys in there.  Nothing wrong there, but there's no real difference.

 

Well Beane and he got rid of Sammy and Darby when they still had value once it was determined that they weren't going to contribute to the team concept.  I won't try to compare my select team coaching to professional athletes but I always preferred players that I knew would give it their all to players that were better but I might not get their best unless they feel like it (Dareus).  Football by nature churns the bottom of the roster each year.  That doesn't mean that players, during their tenure, can't feel or be valued.  

 

I think Marsh hit on the reason the Pats* are so successful while trying to bash them.  "It wasn't fun there"  

 

I think BB thinks that football is work.  Hard work and putting in that work every day is what separates the Pats*. To BB this is a job and hard work.  That's how he runs his team and it is hard to argue his results.  To Rex Ryan it is a game and his results are not unexpected.  These guys talk about football being there job and the Pats* embrace that ideology.  Not every team does.  Someone like Marsh, a career backup, didn't shut up and do his job so it isn't surprising that he was cut.