SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: There is a bit of difference in salary though... From memory TT wasn’t on much more than 1 Mil a year .. Not to mention TT signed cheap and when he was “due” he was “asked” to take $10 mil less. Fun fact. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Took less money for the opportunity to start in Buffalo and he made it pay off for him. Was the payoff getting traded to Cleveland? Edited May 6, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Took less money for the opportunity to start in Buffalo and he made it pay off for him. He took $1m a year versus $5m a year that AJ is getting... I think money is the only way we can truly value a players demand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: He took $1m a year versus $5m a year that AJ is getting... I think money is the only way we can truly value a players demand... Not really, the money has changed quite a bit since 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Not really, the money has changed quite a bit since 2014. It hasn't increased by 500% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Not really, the money has changed quite a bit since 2014. Any 7year “valued” starting QB would demand $15 mil minimum. Whats TT getting paid? The $10 mil left over on the Bills contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: It hasn't increased by 500% Again, he bet on himself by taking less money to compete for a starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Is this a pseudo CoT identity thread? anyone with a rational explanation is can be excused. Anyone using salary as THE reason is a CoTer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) The Bills team was better when Taylor arrived. I don't know about the QB's. AJ going to start his career with little help. Edited May 6, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Again, he bet on himself by taking less money to compete for a starting job. What other offer? Do you have the details? Im assuming he didn't turn down a $5M a year offer elsewhere to take the Bills $1m a year offer for 3 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Again, he bet on himself by taking less money to compete for a starting job. That still got him maybe 8 games as a “starter” in Cleveland until they put the Rookie in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 The answer to OP’s question is McCarron by simple virtue of relevant NFL experience. Please stop tying your logic knots and return to your seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: What other offer? Do you have the details? Im assuming he didn't turn down a $5M a year offer elsewhere to take the Bills $1m a year offer for 3 years... The Ravens wanted to retain him and Denver wanted to sign him as a UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: The Ravens wanted to retain him and Denver wanted to sign him as a UFA. Prob for a couple $100K a year more I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: The Ravens wanted to retain him and Denver wanted to sign him as a UFA. Broncos offered more money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: The Ravens wanted to retain him and Denver wanted to sign him as a UFA. Post a link from the Denver Broncos to support his rumored claim please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Prob for a couple $100K a year more I guess... There's no way to know. AJM was a UFA with starting jobs available this offseason and no other team wanted him even with guys like Bradford getting significantly overpaid to the tune of $20M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's no way to know. AJM was a UFA with starting jobs available this offseason and no other team wanted him even with guys like Bradford getting significantly overpaid to the tune of $20M. Maybe so... but a lot of media pundits are still saying that AJ was acquired on the cheap even at $10M for two years... Edited May 6, 2018 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: There's no way to know. AJM was a UFA with starting jobs available this offseason and no other team wanted him even with guys like Bradford getting significantly overpaid to the tune of $20M. Those QB's were proven starters. There were a lot of proven starters available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Maybe so... but a lot of media pundits are still saying the AJ was acquired on the cheap even at $10M for two years... The market was soft for him in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There's no way to know. AJM was a UFA with starting jobs available this offseason and no other team wanted him even with guys like Bradford getting significantly overpaid to the tune of $20M. How many positions were still available when McCarron became a FA? As for Bradford. Lol. Still a roll of the dice and not a guarantee Why are you ignoring my rational questions and counterpoints?? Is it because you don’t have an answer? Edited May 6, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The market was soft for him in any case. Maybe.. but dont tell me that the market was hot for TT's first deal then when he signed 3 years $3Mil... Edited May 6, 2018 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Maybe.. but dont tell that the market was hot for TT's first deal then when he signed 3 years $3Mil... He signed for less by his own choice and the QB market is different now. Fast forwarding to this year, the Browns could have signed AJM and kept their 3rd round pick. They instead traded for Tyrod and his contract. Speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I just looked it up. Taylor’s best year before come to Buffalo was 2012. He didn’t start a game but appeared in 7. Taylor went 17-29 for 179 yards and had 0 touchdowns and 1 interception. I willl take what McCarron is bringing over that everyday. There where ‘rumors’ that Denver wanted Taylor. And I am sure Baltimore would’ve liked to have him back on a vet min. Contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He signed for less by his own choice and the QB market is different now. Fast forwarding to this year, the Browns could have signed AJM and kept their 3rd round pick. They instead traded for Tyrod and his contract. Speaks volumes. Im engaging in a topic thread title - "who was better when they arrived in Buffalo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Question is simple. Who do you think was the better QB when they arrived in Buffalo. TT or McCarron Ooooh. When they walked in the door. Well, TT didn't have much game experience and what he had was a mixed bag. I would have to give that to McCarron. 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He signed for less by his own choice and the QB market is different now. Fast forwarding to this year, the Browns could have signed AJM and kept their 3rd round pick. They instead traded for Tyrod and his contract. Speaks volumes. True that, but I think the OP is asking us to rev up the 'ol time machine and think about how we saw it when Taylor walked in the door at TBD, having never started a game. He'd thrown like 35 passes in the NFL at that point and completed about half of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He signed for less by his own choice and the QB market is different now. Fast forwarding to this year, the Browns could have signed AJM and kept their 3rd round pick. They instead traded for Tyrod and his contract. Speaks volumes. Im engaging in a topic thread title - " Good luck. You’ll be here for hours trying to “convince” 26 of anything realistic. Taking less money just might mean even he knew he might not be able to compete in Denver whereas Rex might have wink wink guaranteed him the starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ooooh. When they walked in the door. Well, TT didn't have much game experience and what he had was a mixed bag. I would have to give that to McCarron. True that, but I think the OP is asking us to rev up the 'ol time machine and think about how we saw it when Taylor walked in the door at TBD, having never started a game. He'd thrown like 35 passes in the NFL at that point and completed about half of them. One guy was a relative unknown and the other guy is AJ MehCarron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 When you can’t argue the point you use an alternate point as rationale 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: One guy was a relative unknown and the other guy is AJ MehCarron. MehCarron I knew you did not have me on ignore. You just refuse to have a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ooooh. When they walked in the door. Well, TT didn't have much game experience and what he had was a mixed bag. I would have to give that to McCarron. True that, but I think the OP is asking us to rev up the 'ol time machine and think about how we saw it when Taylor walked in the door at TBD, having never started a game. He'd thrown like 35 passes in the NFL at that point and completed about half of them. You are correct bud. I was more asking as you stated, how you felt about TT when we signed him compared to when we signed AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Rex stuck with TT because he was his guy and to bench him would prove he was wrong. McDermott had little to work with and TT was playing sooooo bad we ended up with the Chargers fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Bengals WR AJ Green tells Bills fans AJ McCarron will 'give you everything he's got' During a recent interview with ESPN’s Adam Schefter, Green was asked what Buffalo would be getting in McCarron. Green gave a strong review. “Oh for A.J. (McCarron), I know A.J. very well. You’re going to get a guy who’s going to compete his butt off,” Green said. “That’s one thing, that’s a guy I’ve been around for a while, he competes at everything he does, a guy that’s a natural leader, he’s going to give you everything he’s got when he out’s out there.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I just hope the people saying Taylor was better coming in aren’t the same people who say Rosen is a better prospect than Allen based on prior stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ooooh. When they walked in the door. Well, TT didn't have much game experience and what he had was a mixed bag. I would have to give that to McCarron. While AJ had “more” real game experience I will give him the same respect I gave Tyrod when he first came to Buffalo. I won’t automatically call him a failure (like some people are) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Bengals WR AJ Green tells Bills fans AJ McCarron will 'give you everything he's got' During a recent interview with ESPN’s Adam Schefter, Green was asked what Buffalo would be getting in McCarron. Green gave a strong review. “Oh for A.J. (McCarron), I know A.J. very well. You’re going to get a guy who’s going to compete his butt off,” Green said. “That’s one thing, that’s a guy I’ve been around for a while, he competes at everything he does, a guy that’s a natural leader, he’s going to give you everything he’s got when he out’s out there.” Ok those are Greens words. Have they made you change you mind and fully support AJ w/o disparaging him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 46 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: He “stole” the show because he was Rex’s guy and was competing against Meh Cassel. Not saying you are wrong. But he really wasn't expected to come in and be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: One guy was a relative unknown and the other guy is AJ MehCarron. I go for demonstrated performance over potential. Contrary to what we Bills fans believe sometimes, no track record doesn't automagically make a guy better than mediocre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I go for demonstrated performance over potential. Contrary to what we Bills fans believe sometimes, no track record doesn't automagically make a guy better than mediocre. That cuts both ways depending on the circumstances with every situation being different. That's where pro personnel evaluation comes in with Jordan Poyer being an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Taylor has never played with a receiving corps with the likes of AJ Green, Marvin Jones, and Mohamed Sanu and he still looked better than AJM. Taylor is the better player. Than why did Buffalo trade him and sign McCarron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Than why did Buffalo trade him and sign McCarron? Taylor had plateaued in Buffalo and it was time to move on. McCarron is merely a bridge to Allen and maybe his eventual backup. The two moves are unrelated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Not saying you are wrong. But he really wasn't expected to come in and be the starter. Based on the “reports” TT came to Buffalo because he had the better chance/ opportunity to become the starter immediately and that he wouldn’t have the same chance in Denver. Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Taylor had plateaued in Buffalo and it was time to move on. McCarron is merely a bridge to Allen and maybe his eventual backup. The two moves are unrelated. Hahahahahaha. He plateaued. Excellent joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bufrock j Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Question is simple. Who do you think was the better QB when they arrived in Buffalo. TT or McCarron that is a good question,,,, tells you how bad e j was and whats his fuk from n e cassel tt could run once in a while but man was he a crappy qb, just bad at least Mc Carron has some competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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