2019 Mock Drafts and top prospects

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[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

and now we know why we drafted Allen last year.

 

Not much there.

 

 

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[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 10/1/2018 at 6:44 PM, Mark Vader said:

Here is Astro's latest Mock Draft...

 

http://billsmafia.com/2018/10/01/astros-bills-mock-draft-october/

 

first 3 picks make it.

 

Jonah  Williams is my boy !

 

 

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[DCOrange]

13 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

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I don't know if it's kosher to post this stuff here or not, but I do have access to it. To be on the safe side, the big movers in the top 32 are:

 

DT Derrick Brown from 12 to 8.

DT Jeffery Simmons from unranked to 12.

CB DeAndre Baker from 17 to 14.

DT Raekwon Davis from 8 to 15.

QB Justin Herbert from unranked to 16.

DE Montez Sweat from 22 to 18.

WR D.K. Metcalf from unranked to 19.

QB Ryan Finley from 16 to 20.

QB Drew Lock from unranked to 21.

RB Bryce Love from 14 to 23.

RT David Edwards from 20 to 24.

WR Hollywood Brown from 30 to 25.

S Johnathan Abram from 21 to 26.

QB Jarrett Stidham from unranked to 27.

LT Trey Adams from 15 to 28.

C Elgton Jenkins from 25 to 29.

RB Damien Harris from 24 to 30.

S Marvell Tell III from 27 to 31.

WR Deebo Samuel from 28 to 32.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

48 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I don't know if it's kosher to post this stuff here or not, but I do have access to it. To be on the safe side, the big movers in the top 32 are:

 

DT Derrick Brown from 12 to 8.

DT Jeffery Simmons from unranked to 12.

CB DeAndre Baker from 17 to 14.

DT Raekwon Davis from 8 to 15.

QB Justin Herbert from unranked to 16.

DE Montez Sweat from 22 to 18.

WR D.K. Metcalf from unranked to 19.

QB Ryan Finley from 16 to 20.

QB Drew Lock from unranked to 21.

RB Bryce Love from 14 to 23.

RT David Edwards from 20 to 24.

WR Hollywood Brown from 30 to 25.

S Johnathan Abram from 21 to 26.

QB Jarrett Stidham from unranked to 27.

LT Trey Adams from 15 to 28.

C Elgton Jenkins from 25 to 29.

RB Damien Harris from 24 to 30.

S Marvell Tell III from 27 to 31.

WR Deebo Samuel from 28 to 32.

 

 

If we were to move back I could see Hollywood Brown being an option. It feels like Beane doing the exact opposite of what’s been done to date. Get a guy to get down the field for Allen. I think Brown will test well and climb like John Ross did. I could see him in the mid-1st. I just don’t think that they will keep going big bodies with no separation.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[JohnC]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If we were to move back I could see Hollywood Brown being an option. It feels like Beane doing the exact opposite of what’s been done to date. Get a guy to get down the field for Allen. I think Brown will test well and climb like John Ross did. I could see him in the mid-1st. I just don’t think that they will keep going big bodies with no separation.

However you assess the roster there are many glaring deficiencies that need to be addressed.. Last year, Beane made multiple moves to go up the board for the expressed purpose of getting a qb. That mission was accomplished. Most awake people are going to recognize that we will probably be drafting near the top of the board. So if the choice comes down to getting a top tier player (at any position) or getting two very good players from a trade down then the trade down for more players should be the smarter route to take. 

 

When you watch the Bills the takeaway is apparent: We are outmatched. It's obvious that there is a need for an infusion of talent. By smartly using the available cap and smartly maneuvering in the next draft we should be able to come away with an infusion of talent. We can't go another year with a dysfunctional OL and receiving unit. They are too far away from being NFL caliber to give us a chance to reasonably compete. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

39 minutes ago, JohnC said:

However you assess the roster there are many glaring deficiencies that need to be addressed.. Last year, Beane made multiple moves to go up the board for the expressed purpose of getting a qb. That mission was accomplished. Most awake people are going to recognize that we will probably be drafting near the top of the board. So if the choice comes down to getting a top tier player (at any position) or getting two very good players from a trade down then the trade down for more players should be the smarter route to take. 

 

When you watch the Bills the takeaway is apparent: We are outmatched. It's obvious that there is a need for an infusion of talent. By smartly using the available cap and smartly maneuvering in the next draft we should be able to come away with an infusion of talent. We can't go another year with a dysfunctional OL and receiving unit. They are too far away from being NFL caliber to give us a chance to reasonably compete. 

 

 

Well said John!! Those people that were thinking this was a .500 team before the year really overlooked how much talent they lacked. They just aren’t good enough. It’s a bad football team and it wouldn’t be a winning team with Walsh or Lombardi. 

 

They have cleared the deck next year and can turn the corner but they have left little margin for error. If guys like Zay or Groy could play those would leave a few less holes. The problem is that they can’t. There are so many positions and so much depth that needs to improve that it will be tough. They have assets but they can’t waste them on guys like DiMarco, Proehl or Newhouse. The guys that you get have to improve this team. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well said John!! Those people that were thinking this was a .500 team before the year really overlooked how much talent they lacked. They just aren’t good enough. It’s a bad football team and it wouldn’t be a winning team with Walsh or Lombardi. 

 

They have cleared the deck next year and can turn the corner but they have left little margin for error. If guys like Zay or Groy could play those would leave a few less holes. The problem is that they can’t. There are so many positions and so much depth that needs to improve that it will be tough. They have assets but they can’t waste them on guys like DiMarco, Proehl or Newhouse. The guys that you get have to improve this team. 

 

Agreed.

 

This thread a good place to say how glad I am that we are not looking for a Quarterback in this class.

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[Mark Vader]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

first 3 picks make it.

 

Jonah  Williams is my boy !

 

 

I like the first three picks, and getting players like Myles Gaskin, Jalen Jelks & Hunter Renfrow in the later rounds is all good.

 

However, if the Bills end up with the #2 overall pick, then they should definitely look into trading down. The first round is rich with Defensive Line talent, and there could be a quarterback someone might really want. Jonah Williams is a great prospect, but I think he would last past the 2nd overall pick.

 

I know I'm dreaming, but i would love to draft LB Chase Winovich. He could replace Lorax and I'm sure he would be a Process guy.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed.

 

This thread a good place to say how glad I am that we are not looking for a Quarterback in this class.

You make a cogent point that (hopefully) the Bills got their franchise qb in last year's draft. Another associated point  is that the four teams that drafted a qb near the top of the draft appear to have acquired their long term franchise qb. If there is a lesson to be learned it is that taking an initiative to either draft at a high position or move up to get a top tier prospect is worth the high investment. Assuming the Bills are near the top of the draft board (safe assumption) then based on the value of highly drafted qbs the Bills should be able to parlay their high first round draft pick for addition picks. As Kirby and others have stated this team with a dearth of talent needs an infusion of talent to be respectable. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You make a cogent point that (hopefully) the Bills got their franchise qb in last year's draft. Another associated point  is that the four teams that drafted a qb near the top of the draft appear to have acquired their long term franchise qb. If there is a lesson to be learned it is that taking an initiative to either draft at a high position or move up to get a top tier prospect is worth the high investment. Assuming the Bills are near the top of the draft board (safe assumption) then based on the value of highly drafted qbs the Bills should be able to parlay their high first round draft pick for addition picks. As Kirby and others have stated this team with a dearth of talent needs an infusion of talent to be respectable. 

 

I would certainly not be against a trade back but I think if they are in a position to get an elite pass rushing DE or penetrating DT they should do it. Equally if there was a stand out dominant LT prospect (I have not focussed on OL at all yet) I would take him too and slide Dawkins into LG. 

 

But regardless it is harder to see a big trade down that doesn't involve a team coming up for a Quarterback in the top 5 and I just don't see a guy so far who is even nearly worth that. It is early in my process but this genuinely might be the 2013 QB draft all over again that people were declaring two years ago when Mahomes and Watson came out. 

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would certainly not be against a trade back but I think if they are in a position to get an elite pass rushing DE or penetrating DT they should do it. Equally if there was a stand out dominant LT prospect (I have not focussed on OL at all yet) I would take him too and slide Dawkins into LG. 

 

But regardless it is harder to see a big trade down that doesn't involve a team coming up for a Quarterback in the top 5 and I just don't see a guy so far who is even nearly worth that. It is early in my process but this genuinely might be the 2013 QB draft all over again that people were declaring two years ago when Mahomes and Watson came out. 

If it comes down to selecting an elite pass rusher or trading the pick to get a high end OT and a good receiver I'm preferring quantity over individual talent. Next year, we are in a position to get an infusion of talent. That's what needs to be done. The Bills are rebuilding. The core of talent needs to be dramatically expanded. When you are thin you need to bulk up. More talent is better than less talent. The reality is a small number of elite talent can be neutralized when surrounded by mediocrity. Expand the base and more players will rise. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

If it comes down to selecting an elite pass rusher or trading the pick to get a high end OT and a good receiver I'm preferring quantity over individual talent. Next year, we are in a position to get an infusion of talent. That's what needs to be done. The Bills are rebuilding. The core of talent needs to be dramatically expanded. When you are thin you need to bulk up. More talent is better than less talent. The reality is a small number of elite talent can be neutralized when surrounded by mediocrity. Expand the base and more players will rise. 

 

I just think this might be an all time DL class. I think there could be maybe 3 or 4 genuine elite talents up there. The kind of players who will do the opposite of what you are suggesting and will make the averageness around them look better. We have 10 picks. If I can get someone I think is genuinely elite at say #3 I am not trading it to take a good LT at say #8 and a good WR at say #21. That to me is drafting for need. If there is an elite DL prospect on the board at your pick in the NFL draft and you don't take them then in my mind you better be taking a Quarterback. If it is not an elite DL prospect then I favour trading back - tho still with the caveat that I am not sure at this stage there is a QB out there that a team is going to be desperate to go up for. 

 

 

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[JohnC]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I just think this might be an all time DL class. I think there could be maybe 3 or 4 genuine elite talents up there. The kind of players who will do the opposite of what you are suggesting and will make the averageness around them look better. We have 10 picks. If I can get someone I think is genuinely elite at say #3 I am not trading it to take a good LT at say #8 and a good WR at say #21. That to me is drafting for need. If there is an elite DL prospect on the board at your pick in the NFL draft and you don't take them then in my mind you better be taking a Quarterback. If it is not an elite DL prospect then I favour trading back - tho still with the caveat that I am not sure at this stage there is a QB out there that a team is going to be desperate to go up for. 

 

 

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your view. We have multiple units that aren't even NFL level. These multiple deficiencies need to be addressed. I'm anticipating that we will be near the top of the draft board. We can trade down and still get a very high end prospect and more.  With a judicious trade down and wise use of our copious cap $$$ we can in short order inflate a deflated roster.  Scarcity of talent is not better than an abundance of talent. Right now we are at below scarcity. When you are mired in the muck of mediocrity don't be afraid to be creative when trying to change your putrid status. Don't be fearful and act timidly. 

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[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your view. We have multiple units that aren't even NFL level. These multiple deficiencies need to be addressed. I'm anticipating that we will be near the top of the draft board. We can trade down and still get a very high end prospect and more.  With a judicious trade down and wise use of our copious cap $$$ we can in short order inflate a deflated roster.  Scarcity of talent is not better than an abundance of talent. Right now we are at below scarcity. When you are mired in the muck of mediocrity don't be afraid to be creative when trying to change your putrid status. Don't be fearful and act timidly. 

 

Never think elite at a key spot is less worthy than good at 2 spots. The teams that win have 3 or 4 elite players. Good players help. But elite players win. 

Edited October 3, 2018 by GunnerBill

[JohnC]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Never think elite at a key spot is less worthy than good at 2 spots. The teams that win have 3 or 4 elite players. Good players help. But elite players win. 

You are making a mistake when you assume that you can't get an elite player or near elite player in a trade down. You can trade down from 2-6 to 12-15 and and still get an exceptional player. Very often by being flexible and creative you can get more than by being conventional and conservative. If I can get a high yield prospect at 12-15 with a move down and add a second round pick to my menu of picks I would jump on that opportunity. 

 

I'm not saying your approach is wrong. What I am saying is that this very thin roster needs a lot of bolstering. By being both creative and judicious you can accelerate the process. 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You are making a mistake when you assume that you can't get an elite player or near elite player in a trade down. You can trade down from 2-6 to 12-15 and and still get an exceptional player. Very often by being flexible and creative you can get more than by being conventional and conservative. If I can get a high yield prospect at 12-15 with a move down and add a second round pick to my menu of picks I would jump on that opportunity. 

 

I'm not saying your approach is wrong. What I am saying is that this very thin roster needs a lot of bolstering. By being both creative and judicious you can accelerate the process. 

 

You can but it is higher risk. If I can get a slam dunk pass rusher in the top 5 I ain't moving. Not a chance. 

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You can but it is higher risk. If I can get a slam dunk pass rusher in the top 5 I ain't moving. Not a chance. 

You and I are riding different choo choo trains. 

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[Sky Diver]

On 5/3/2018 at 10:02 AM, Buffalo30 said:

It's projected to be a very solid offensive line class as of right now.  Depending on how things go, I think next year will be an offensive heavy draft to help out Allen.

 

Jonah Williams, Alabama.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I just think this might be an all time DL class. I think there could be maybe 3 or 4 genuine elite talents up there. The kind of players who will do the opposite of what you are suggesting and will make the averageness around them look better. We have 10 picks. If I can get someone I think is genuinely elite at say #3 I am not trading it to take a good LT at say #8 and a good WR at say #21. That to me is drafting for need. If there is an elite DL prospect on the board at your pick in the NFL draft and you don't take them then in my mind you better be taking a Quarterback. If it is not an elite DL prospect then I favour trading back - tho still with the caveat that I am not sure at this stage there is a QB out there that a team is going to be desperate to go up for. 

 

 

This is where I’m at (specifically Bosa and Oliver at this point). We will also pick early in the 2nd and 3rd and have multiple 4ths & 5ths. They can EASILY pick 4 guys before the end of day 2 even without trading down. They could start with something like:

- Bosa 

- Deebo Samuel

- Michael Dieter

- Isaiah Prince

 

That is maybe a touch optimistic on the guys  but you get the point. You add a starting WR, 2 starting OL and potentially a star pass rusher. I much prefer that. You need some difference makers. 

Edited October 4, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I like the first three picks, and getting players like Myles Gaskin, Jalen Jelks & Hunter Renfrow in the later rounds is all good.

 

However, if the Bills end up with the #2 overall pick, then they should definitely look into trading down. The first round is rich with Defensive Line talent, and there could be a quarterback someone might really want. Jonah Williams is a great prospect, but I think he would last past the 2nd overall pick.

 

I know I'm dreaming, but i would love to draft LB Chase Winovich. He could replace Lorax and I'm sure he would be a Process guy.

 

My man! Chase is another one of my boys!

 

I hope we get the top pick ( which will probably be QB Justin Herbert) and we would get a good haul in a trade down and would make up some of the picks we lost for Allen and Edmunds.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

My man! Chase is another one of my boys!

 

I hope we get the top pick ( which will probably be QB Justin Herbert) and we would get a good haul in a trade down and would make up some of the picks we lost for Allen and Edmunds.

 

 

 

Herbert looks nothing like a 1st overall pick to me at this stage. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Herbert looks nothing like a 1st overall pick to me at this stage. 

 

It's the  QBs man,  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

It's the  QBs man,  

 

 

 

You have to look who is likely to be picking one too.... I have 6 possible Quarterback teams (Denver, NYG, Miami, Jacksonville, LAC, Tampa) but none of them would I call a "desperate" need. There are currently 7 teams who have got starting QBs picked in the top 12 of the last two drafts who are feeling differing degrees of good about their guys. It is a strange year to my mind with very little urgent Quarterback need and no stand out prospect and as a result I don't see teams reaching up the board in the first round - especially when it looks a pretty talented draft at a lot of other spots. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You have to look who is likely to be picking one too.... I have 6 possible Quarterback teams (Denver, NYG, Miami, Jacksonville, LAC, Tampa) but none of them would I call a "desperate" need. There are currently 7 teams who have got starting QBs picked in the top 12 of the last two drafts who are feeling differing degrees of good about their guys. It is a strange year to my mind with very little urgent Quarterback need and no stand out prospect and as a result I don't see teams reaching up the board in the first round - especially when it looks a pretty talented draft at a lot of other spots. 

 

 

You need to add New England to that list. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You need to add New England to that list. 

 

Yep - true. But again, not desperate need... though if TB12 does pack it in then they DO become a desperate need. If that happens and I was Belichick I'd trade for Nick Foles or Sam Bradford and wait for the 2020 class.

[mannc]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Herbert looks nothing like a 1st overall pick to me at this stage. 

Herbert's only played half a season each of the past two years.  As of now, he looks like a solid top 12 pick to me.  He's upped his game from last year and might very well look like a no. 1 overall by the end of the season.  He certainly has the tools.  Lots of football left.

[JohnC]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Herbert looks nothing like a 1st overall pick to me at this stage. 

Neither did Mahomes or Allen for you. This is not a criticism in your judgment as much as point out that teams are willing to pay a premium for a top shelf qb prospect. My contention is that there is a good chance that the Bills will be in a draft position to parlay it into a number of high end prospects. In addition, judiciously moving down doesn't mean that you will left out of the market for a premium player with your lower first round pick that still can be a premium pick. When you have a dearth of talent and have an opportunity to add an infusion of talent then seize it. In addition to the draft because of our bountiful cap situation a number of competent players can be added to replace some incompetent players. In one year this roster can be dramatically upgraded. When you have such an opportunity that is not the time to shrink from creatively acting. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You have to look who is likely to be picking one too.... I have 6 possible Quarterback teams (Denver, NYG, Miami, Jacksonville, LAC, Tampa) but none of them would I call a "desperate" need. There are currently 7 teams who have got starting QBs picked in the top 12 of the last two drafts who are feeling differing degrees of good about their guys. It is a strange year to my mind with very little urgent Quarterback need and no stand out prospect and as a result I don't see teams reaching up the board in the first round - especially when it looks a pretty talented draft at a lot of other spots. 

 

 

 

Somebody will. 

 

I can see Denver doing it because I doubt they see Keenum as the answer and getting a "franchise" QB from a big school would make big John happy.

 

(Btw I've seen Herbert in 3 games and he's looked pretty good)