Chuck Wagon Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just go to 4 and get one of Rosen or Mayfield. Everything else is a failure, though Allen at 12 would feel salvageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He looks like a spot starter who will primarily be a backup at the NFL level so I 100% disagree. Rosen and Darnold are simply better prospects who have shown more. Yes cornerblitz we disagree about Rudolph. I see something in Rudolph that you don’t. I will say this if the Bills draft Rosen I will support him and root for him to do well as the Bills QB or any of the top 6 QB’s. Secretly I would love it if the Bills got Lamar Jackson this guy could end up as the most exciting player in the NFL. I really love Allen, Mayfield, Rudolph and Jackson. Edited April 23, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 If I want to win this year, Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 59 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said: Honestly, your Rudolph comment doesn't make any logical sense at all if you've seen any of his tape. The guy, after assessing the field unnaturally quickly, without hesitation throws to all parts of the field, hitting receivers in stride, with very few picks. His receivers rarely need to adjust to his throws. In fact, balls are placed where the receiver has the best chance to catch them at all levels of the field. His deep throws look like other passers' medium, his mediums look like their short. He does it consistently. He rarely has a down moment. It's pedal to the metal at all times, usually deciding games before the half. That's why some posters and nfl guys are saying he may be the best of the bunch. Just sayin... Which Rudolph comment? That I’d be sad if we take him at 22 and that I might combust if we take him at 12? Or the comment that I’ve seen him play and that’s why I don’t want him to be our best chance at a franchise qb? Am I the first person that you’ve seen make a negative post about Rudolph? You seem confused. That’s confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Josh Allen He fits what they are looking for He is not supposed to be there at 12 Most upside of any qb in this draft Will be holding a clipboard for a while.....but..... I don't agree that he has the most upside. All of the pundits say that he can't read defenses and inaccurate. Jackson may have accuracy issues, but he can read defenses. Jackson has a strong arm and wheels. Also Jackson has improved each season in college. Haven't heard of any such improvements from Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan boy '92 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Just go to 4 and get one of Rosen or Mayfield. Everything else is a failure, though Allen at 12 would feel salvageable. Hate to say it, but Rosen's health and availability is likely going to be a frustrating issue. Mayfield is risky. Heisman qb flames out quickly in the nfl, not a story I want to read here. Let the Jets have that one. Allen, and we're back in qb pergutory. Darnold might live up to the hype, but I'd like a qb that makes his reads and throws from the pocket. Will never win consistently plying backyard football, and the picks. Rudolph, 6'5" 235lbs does it all. Scouts shy away because no one plays defense in the Big 12, but he played big out of conference games and shredded those defenses too. He's going to kill you from the pocket, but is sneaky athletic. Doesn't run much because he throws the ball on target in small windows, but can if he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: If I want to win this year, Jackson. And beyond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Fan boy '92 said: Honestly, your Rudolph comment doesn't make any logical sense at all if you've seen any of his tape. The guy, after assessing the field unnaturally quickly, without hesitation throws to all parts of the field, hitting receivers in stride, with very few picks. His receivers rarely need to adjust to his throws. In fact, balls are placed where the receiver has the best chance to catch them at all levels of the field. His deep throws look like other passers' medium, his mediums look like their short. He does it consistently. He rarely has a down moment. It's pedal to the metal at all times, usually deciding games before the half. That's why some posters and nfl guys are saying he may be the best of the bunch. Just sayin... Which Rudolph comment? That I’d be sad if we take him at 22 and that I might combust if we take him at 12? Or the comment that I’ve seen him play and that’s why I don’t want him to be our best chance at a franchise qb? Am I the first person that you’ve seen make a negative post about Rudolph? You seem confused. That’s confusing. He reminds me of a shipwreck. When I watch him throw I see sailors and floaters all over the place. I see a system qb that can deliver the ball within the offense, when the play breaks down, he’s quite useless. He won’t have the best WR combo in the league like he did at OSU. you like him. Cool. I don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacoy38 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Voted Jackson but at that point I’d put on QBs and just build out the roster and go all in next year on a QB. That being said I want/hope/ believe we ll get up and get Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan boy '92 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, NewEra said: Which Rudolph comment? That I’d be sad if we take him at 22 and that I might combust if we take him at 12? Or the comment that I’ve seen him play and that’s why I don’t want him to be our best chance at a franchise qb? Am I the first person that you’ve seen make a negative post about Rudolph? You seem confused. That’s confusing. He reminds me of a shipwreck. When I watch him throw I see sailors and floaters all over the place. I see a system qb that can deliver the ball within the offense, when the play breaks down, he’s quite useless. He won’t have the best WR combo in the league like he did at OSU. you like him. Cool. I don’t. I don't get confused and based on the summary of your comments, take your pick. I didn't mean to single you out and I'd hate to see you combust, but Bills scouts seem high on the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said: I don't get confused and based on the summary of your comments, take your pick. I didn't mean to single you out and I'd hate to see you combust, but Bills scouts seem high on the guy. I agree I have read some where the Bills scouts have seen him play more colleges games live then any QB and have spent the most time with him. I think it’s Darnold 1st for Mcbean then if Darnold is gone they stay at 12 and draft Rudolph. Will see what happens. I know one thing the Bills draft board will not be the same as all the other teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KOKBILLS Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Gotta say I'm a little surprised at these poll numbers...I mean..I get how Allen could be the favorite...Some people love big arm dude...And he is enticing for sure...But better than 2/1?...Wow... If the Bills end up with Allen I won't be despondent...Even if they end up with Rudolph I have hope...SO much of this will come down to Coaching and fit in whatever Offense the Bills put forward... But I think Lamar Jackson is a better QB now, and I'm guessing, based on what I saw from the past 3 years, he'll be a better QB 5 years from now... I don't think it's even close... And that's why scouting NFL QB's is the tremendously tough...It's REAL hard to look at Allen and not see the amazing possibilities...They seem endless...And there is literally no way of properly explaining why a kid with that much natural athletic ability...ability that seems custom made for the job of NFL QB, is just not that great pre and post snap...A kid THAT book smart too...He's just not that good at football right now...His adjusted completion percentage WITH drops is still barely over 60%...He will drop back and look very sound technically at times and still sail balls WAY off target...He does not seem to be able to process what he sees all that well...And asking him to make the jump of all jumps while expecting him to get MUCH...I mean A LOT better?...Where he will need to not only read and process in a twitch, he'll also need to execute at the same time...To me Allen has not shown that ability against average College teams...And he's suddenly going to learn how to do this in the NFL? I don't know...It's a MASSIVE leap of faith... On the other hand you have a kid who is an amazing football player who book tested like a dummy, but goes out on the football field and is electric...119 total TD's in 3 years on an average College team...The highest percentage of dropped passes among the top QB's in this Draft (His adjusted completion % with drops added puts him at QB4 in this Draft)...Possibly the best running QB to ever enter the NFL...And he can pass too...Sits and slides in pocket...Sees it better than Allen...Executes it better than Allen...And has gotten better as a passer every year... I'm not saying Jackson is a sure thing...And I do worry about his ability to stay healthy with that slim frame... But as an admitted barely-amateur Scout there is no way I would take Allen ahead of Jackson...No way...And I think Bills fans should be careful not to underestimate the possibility of Jackson at #12 and keeping all our picks...Assuming the Bills cannot get Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen that's what I'm hoping for... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said: I don't get confused and based on the summary of your comments, take your pick. I didn't mean to single you out and I'd hate to see you combust, but Bills scouts seem high on the guy. They seem high enough on him that they’re trying to trade up from 12. Seems like a backup plan to me. Not what we want. This is the year we get our franchise QB. Not our backup QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I picked Allen even though I don't really want any of these guys. He at least has the size and Physical Gifts and could develop. Lamar Jackson I feel will probably come in for somebody and have a good 6-8 games before either he is injured or defenses figure him out. Mason Rudolph has allot to prove at the next level he seems like a college system QB that always worked out of the gun not sure how that translates honestly doesn't have a great track record in the NFL in the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, NewEra said: They seem high enough on him that they’re trying to trade up from 12. Seems like a backup plan to me. Not what we want. This is the year we get our franchise QB. Not our backup QB A lot of people and teams see Rudolph as a franchise QB. So just because a lot of so called draft pundits have him 6th does not mean it’s true. Many people on this board were saying mahomes was going in the 3rd round or worse. Then he gets drafted at 10 in the first round and is the 2nd QB off the board. So no if the Bills draft him in the first round he will be considered a franchise QB until proven otherwise. Edited April 23, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Bakin said: We have reached pick 12. Only these 3 remain on our board. You must pick one. Who do you choose? I can't deal with the premise. Those are the only QB we have on our board? We must pick one? Does.not.compute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: Yea don’t be surprised if Jackson is picked well before that if Rapoport’s comments are true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: A lot of people and teams see Rudolph as a franchise QB. So just because a lot of so called draft pundits have him 6th does not mean it’s true. Many people on this board were saying mahomes was going in the 3rd round or worse. Then he gets drafted at 10 in the first round and is the 2nd QB off the board. So no if the Bills draft him in the first round he will be considered a franchise QB until proven otherwise. Which teams see Rudolph as a franchise QB? Enlighten me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It’s been rumored Denver, Pitt, NE patriots that’s who. Some draft guru’s had Rudolph number 1 rated QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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