whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: It's a QB driven league so the market is not going to stop being aggessive at spending for a QB IMO. I do not see a mortgage of the future by trading away this year's draft picks. We will have draft picks left this year and will get more next year, we also will have plenty of money to spend next season on FAs. A QB needs some time to learn and grow, a QB also needs to find the guys that work best with him. Sometimes a later round player will play incredible with one QB but horrible with another. Build around a QB first iMO because the QB can puck who he wants as his guys. That frendship I agree. If we get up to #2 because that's where "our guy" is, then I will be happy with that. I personally see us getting our guy at #7. That's been my belief for a while now, and I think that the "QB rush" won't actually leave us hanging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Trade up to #2 for Rosen. After that, I’m good with whatever they want to do this off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Virgil said: Two weeks until possibly the most exciting draft in the past 20 years for the Bills, possibly NFL. With that, he's what we know......NOTHING. With that, with the loss of two of our offensive starters on a line that wasn't that great; with a missing 2/3's of our goal starting linebackers, I can't get on board with completely throwing away all of our picks for one QB. So, as of right now, I would be willing to trade both of our 1st's this year and our 1st next year to move up to at least 4. I know we need a trade partner first and some things to fall our way, but if any of the big 4 are there from pick 4 on, then I'm making that trade to get one of them. I think we need the remaining picks to fill some holes. However, I'm not making any trades pre-draft. I'm waiting and seeing. If the Giants don't go QB at 2, then I'm happy and assume one will make it to the 5-8 range. If that's the case, then we may be able to move up just trading #12 and a 2nd rounder. Ideally, I want our QB and McDermott to get his starting MLB as I believe that's the main piece to his defense. I'm not horribly worried about the offensive line and will settle for BPA in that category. McDermott liked Ducasse at RG, we have Groy for LG, and we signed the starting Center from the Bengals. It's not a world beating line, but we know it can work. If we can upgrade in the draft our FA, then great. But we have more pressing needs. say we are unable to trade up into the top 5 and the top 4 QB's are all gone by the time pick #6 arrives. another scenario i think might be intriguing is what if we were able to get a trade done with the Eagles for Foles. say a 2nd and a 3rd. i don't believe that would fit in with the ultimate build dynamic McBeane envisions, but it might be the best possible outcome. then we could also take a flier later in the draft on a Lauletta or a Falk. McBeane seems to always get a real good deal done so i would put no stone past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I agree. If we get up to #2 because that's where "our guy" is, then I will be happy with that. I personally see us getting our guy at #7. That's been my belief for a while now, and I think that the "QB rush" won't actually leave us hanging. Man that would be great but very risky IMO. I would rather know for sure and just spend to get the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: say we are unable to trade up into the top 5 and the top 4 QB's are all gone by the time pick #6 arrives. another scenario i think might be intriguing is what if we were able to get a trade done with the Eagles for Foles. say a 2nd and a 3rd. i don't believe that would fit in with the ultimate build dynamic McBeane envisions, but it might be the best possible outcome. then we could also take a flier later in the draft on a Lauletta or a Falk. McBeane seems to always get a real good deal done so i would put no stone past him. I would rather trade a 2nd from 2019 for Foles than waste any of our top 4 picks on Jackson or Rudolph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I think we see the media hyping up these guys a little more than usual. I think you see guys fall and the cost for us to get the guy is much less. There is a reason qbs have gone 123 only once that i can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Use our picks to fill out the roster with young talent. I don't see any of these QB's with significantly more upside than Mccarron. JMO So IMO you liked the way Whaley ran things. Backup QBs and always filling in the players that left for bigger contracts every draft. Never ending cycle because your team is never good enough. Sure you have a top D and a solid Oline but your offense can not score because your QB is only good at holding a towel on his head. JMO What makes you think other positions can not flop. We have had RBs,WRs,DBs, linemen all get Injured or flop or leave as soon as the first contract is up. A QB makes a team and makes other players want to stay or come here and have said QB take them to the promised land. Without a top QB the never ending cycle of not good enough just continues the same groundhogs day of not good enough Edited April 11, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Man that would be great but very risky IMO. I would rather know for sure and just spend to get the guy But there's no real way to tell who the right guy is. Besides, if we had wanted to get into the top five, why didn't we blow the colts out of the water with an offer? I just think that there's a more likely version of this were we end up in the 5-8 range and get the guy we want. Honestly I am banking on the first six going like this: QB Chubb QB Barley DB/trade Nelson/Trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 51 minutes ago, DCOrange said: What I want: Roquan Smith at 12 and a trade up from 22 for Lamar What I expect: A trade up to the 7-10 range to take the 4th QB in the draft (my guess being Rosen) Like Smith.. Definitely disagree on Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: But there's no real way to tell who the right guy is. Besides, if we had wanted to get into the top five, why didn't we blow the colts out of the water with an offer? I just think that there's a more likely version of this were we end up in the 5-8 range and get the guy we want. Honestly I am banking on the first six going like this: QB Chubb QB Barley DB/trade Nelson/Trade You can't make that move, especially at that price, this early unless you are comfortable taking the 3rd highest QB on your board. Seems clear the Bills aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: So IMO you liked the way Whaley ran things. Backup QBs and always filling in the players that left for bigger contracts every draft. Never ending cycle because your team is never good enough. Sure you have a top D and a solid Oline but your offense can not score because your QB is only good at holding a towel on his head. JMO What makes you think other positions can not flop. We have had RBs,WRs,DBs, linemen all get Injured or flop or leave as soon as the first contract is up. A QB makes a team and makes other players want to stay or come here and have said QB take them to the promised land. Without a top QB the never ending cycle of not good enough just continues the same groundhogs day of not good enough Other positions have less risk of failure than QB. It has been proven that teams can win without a "franchise QB". Like last year for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I want more awareness. Actually have a guy checked out medically before you extend him so that it's not an embarrassment. Know if a guy is seriously contemplating retirement before you give him a contract and trade another offensive lineman. Draft a QB in this next draft especially since you know all your eggs are in the AJMCbackup basket. Don't risk having to make me hope Peterman got better because AJ is just a backup QB and is crapping the bed. If Tyrod does better in Cleveland it will be an embarrassment. I'll admit the odds of Tyrod making the Browns look good is slim but the possibility for embarrassment exist. Know the kind of guy you draft at WR is going to try to jump out a window. It's all an embarrassment. I'm assuming next year has a high probability of going in the tank. I have faith the HC can do a lot with a little. I understand the moves the Bills made but it's going to haunt them. I just want awareness. We as fans got hit with bad news a few times. We need something to hope for. I need something to hope for, especially if I have to sit through a terrible season of losing. I want some good news. Bring me some good news in this draft. If you trade up big for a QB I'll forgive a bad season. If you don't get me a QB then I'll be critical if we fall below the average seasons we have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 This is what I can't wait for to happen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: But there's no real way to tell who the right guy is. Besides, if we had wanted to get into the top five, why didn't we blow the colts out of the water with an offer? I just think that there's a more likely version of this were we end up in the 5-8 range and get the guy we want. Honestly I am banking on the first six going like this: QB Chubb QB Barley DB/trade Nelson/Trade IMO when your up to bat you either swing or wait to get walked. I want the home run so I want to swing sadly some would rather take the safer way and wait for the walk worried about striking out. Either your a go getter or you not IMO. IMO the draft will go if no trades top 5 QB RB QB QB QB Edited April 11, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Trade a 2 for Foles. Keep the rest of our pick. Draft DT, OL, and LB wih the first three picks. Then BPA with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: IMO when your up to bat you either swing or wait to get walked. I want the home run so I want to swing sadly some would rather take the safer way and wait for the walk worried about striking out. Either your a go getter or you not IMO. IMO the draft will go if no trades top 5 QB RB QB QB QB Browns taking two QB? I agree that risk is necessary, but there has to be some function of care when taking risk. Edited April 11, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Other positions have less risk of failure than QB. It has been proven that teams can win without a "franchise QB". Like last year for instance. Yeah it had nothing to do with Wentz starting the season off hot.(sarcasm) Always nice when a QB that has proven to be ok ends up with his best ever season. Are you old enough to remember Frank Reich. He was the Bills QB that led the greatest comeback game ever and then went on to be a starter of a different team but sadly flopped bad. You ever here of Matt Cassel, man he had a great year when Brady was down. What about that guy in Denver that got that big contract after the one hit wonder or how about Tebow. Many QBs not good enough get that one hot season sadly after that it's a big flop. 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Browns taking two QB? Haha oops, I added a trade I guess, my bad. I expect Chubb in that top 5 actually or some trades. Ok Clev, QB Giants, RB Jets,QB Clev, Chubb or trade Denver, QB Or Clev, RB Giants trade, Buffalo QB Jets, QB Clev, QB Denver, QB Edited April 11, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Haha oops, I added a trade I guess, my bad. I expect Chubb in that top 5 actually or some trades. I just don't see the Giants and the Broncos taking a QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I just don't see the Giants and the Broncos taking a QB. I also do not see Giants taking a QB, IMO they want Barkley or will trade out and is why I think Cleveland will take Barkley and then take QB at 4. I do see Denver taking a QB with Cousins as a place holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: I also do not see Giants taking a QB, IMO they want Barkley or will trade out and is why I think Cleveland will take Barkley and then take QB at 4. I do see Denver taking a QB with Cousins as a place holder. Keenum ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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