Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 6:46 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would make Lamar Jacksons floor and equivalent the same player, JaMarcus Russell. Expand Ouch
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 5:39 PM, Buffalo716 said: I have watched every snap of every top QB prospect from this draft including Lamar Jackson He is very gifted but has a way to go before becoming a good NFL passer consistently... He tends to float deep balls which he will need to clean up at the NFL level... safeties will eat it up people always compare him to Vick but he's not Vick... I was fortunate to see Vick in college live and Lamar and they aren't the same... Michael also played under center at Tech and he had the quickest delivery I've ever seen. He had great mechanics and the ball left Michaels hand like no other He had tons of personal problems but his skill was top notch hence going #1... I may be wrong but my eyes do not see the same arm talent between Vick and Jackson Expand ....although we CERTAINLY have no idea what McBeane/McD/McDaboll are planning as far as the "look" of this offense, if you had to put forth your valued opinion, would Jackson possibly a fit?......
NewEra Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 6:46 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would make Lamar Jacksons floor and equivalent the same player, JaMarcus Russell. Expand Lamar Jackson is Jamarcus Russell? Geez
Buffalo716 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:25 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....although we CERTAINLY have no idea what McBeane/McD/McDaboll are planning as far as the "look" of this offense, if you had to put forth your valued opinion, would Jackson possibly a fit?...... Expand From a simplified verbiage standpoint the erhardt perkins offense could fit Lamar but getting rid of TT makes me feel like they want a more traditional QB... just my 2¢
CuddyDark Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 You're way off on several of these. ie Rudolph. His most likely floor is Chad Pennington or Matt Schaub and his ceiling is Rivers. Rosen's arm is too strong to ever be anything like Pennington. And he's not the same type of player. Rosen floor would be Sam Bradford and his ceiling would be Matt Ryan. On 4/9/2018 at 6:17 PM, billspro said: I still want to know what games you watched so I can take your opinion credibly. Darnold- ceiling: Rivers, floor: Winston Rosen- Ceiling: Manning, floor: Bradford Mayfield- Ceiling: Brees, Floor: Manziel Rudolph- Ceiling: Prescott, Floor: Bridgewater Allen- Ceiling: Flacco, Floor: Anderson Jackson: Ceiling: Vick, Floor: less accurate RG3 White: Ceiling: Schaub, Floor: Webb Expand Rudolph is nothing like Prescott or Bridgewater.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:33 PM, Buffalo716 said: From a simplified verbiage standpoint the erhardt perkins offense could fit Lamar but getting rid of TT makes me feel like they want a more traditional QB... just my 2¢ Expand ...great point......we'll never know if TT's mobility was the mitigating factor or his struggles with the mental aspect of the game ala what needs to happen in a scant FIVE seconds of cranial processing......my unsubstantiated hunch would be the mental aspect of the game because I have NO idea how you speed up that Intel chip between a guy's ears to match speed/complexity of NFL game.....
Solomon Grundy Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:33 PM, Buffalo716 said: From a simplified verbiage standpoint the erhardt perkins offense could fit Lamar but getting rid of TT makes me feel like they want a more traditional QB... just my 2¢ Expand I don't agree. I think they got rid of Tyrod: 1) the money/contract 2) didn't want to teach new QB hesitancy Jmo
Buffalo716 Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:48 PM, the skycap said: I don't agree. I think they got rid of Tyrod: 1) the money/contract 2) didn't want to teach new QB hesitancy Jmo Expand It can be. We will certainly never know for certain
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:48 PM, the skycap said: I don't agree. I think they got rid of Tyrod: 1) the money/contract 2) didn't want to teach new QB hesitancy Jmo Expand .....have to agree......do not think they saw him as a long term starter in their plans....forget stats references and manipulations......don't see where the passing game would ever become a consistently viable threat with him at the helm.....at $18 mil for a back up wouldn't work.....we have moved on...........
CamboBill Posted April 10, 2018 Author Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:48 PM, the skycap said: I don't agree. I think they got rid of Tyrod: 1) the money/contract 2) didn't want to teach new QB hesitancy Jmo Expand Yes .... the $$$ was too much if they were not committed to him. This is a rebuilding year, and their lucky playoff entry last year took some of the heat off in terms of delivering short term results. They can afford to wing it at QB for a year and try something else. Also to avoid damaging the locker room. I think the benching for Peterman hurt them there, whether it came out publicly or not. Not Tyrod's fault, but he was pretty popular among players.
NewEra Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 9:57 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....have to agree......do not think they saw him as a long term starter in their plans....forget stats references and manipulations......don't see where the passing game would ever become a consistently viable threat with him at the helm.....at $18 mil for a back up wouldn't work.....we have moved on........... Expand And it’s not like we cut him. We got a 2nd rd pick
NastyNateSoldiers Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/9/2018 at 4:57 PM, CamboBill said: This is a revision of some preliminary thoughts I had on another thread, Tries to put things into context, which is useful when we are talking about mortgaging entire drafts. My rankings: 1) Sam D'Arnold Floor: J Cutler Ceiling: Eli Manning Most likely equivalent: B Bortles (with better intangibles) Comment: Concerns about ball protection but looks like sure fire pro 2) Lamar Jackson Floor: V Young Ceiling: S Young Most likely equivalent: S McNair+ Comments: Highest (likely to reach) upside in draft. Needs to overcome stereotypes and early poor choices in career management. 3)Josh Rosen: Floor: Chad Pennigton Ceiling: Phil Rivers Most likely Equivalent: Sam Bradford Comment: Most sure thing in draft but durability a major concern. 4) Josh Allen Floor: C Hackenburg Ceiling: B Rothlisberger Most Likely Equivalent J Flacco Comment: Riskiest choice in terms of bust potential, but tools to be an NFL star 5) Mason Rudolph Floor: B Weeden Ceiiling: Matt Stafford Most Likely Equivalent: Dak Prescott Comment:: Overlooked prospect. 6) Baker Mayfield Floor: Johnny Manziel Ceiling: D Brees Most Likely Equivalent: Case Keenum Comment: Has upside, but concerns over size and desire for celebrity status overshadow productivity and "swag" 7) K Lauletta Floor: Standard Backup with not enough arm to hold NFL starter job (high quality career back up) Ceiling: M Ryan Most Likely Equivalent: M Schaub+ Comment: Most accurate passer in draft. if only he had enough arm strength. Expand Looks like u worked very hard on this but comps are pretty outlandish. Darnold upside Luck Lamar upside Vick Rosen = Ryan Mason = Cousins
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) On 4/9/2018 at 6:46 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would make Lamar Jacksons floor and equivalent the same player, JaMarcus Russell. Expand I thought I'd seen some ignorant comments here, but that's pretty damn ignorant. On 4/9/2018 at 5:39 PM, Buffalo716 said: I have watched every snap of every top QB prospect from this draft including Lamar Jackson He is very gifted but has a way to go before becoming a good NFL passer consistently... He tends to float deep balls which he will need to clean up at the NFL level... safeties will eat it up people always compare him to Vick but he's not Vick... I was fortunate to see Vick in college live and Lamar and they aren't the same... Michael also played under center at Tech and he had the quickest delivery I've ever seen. He had great mechanics and the ball left Michaels hand like no other He had tons of personal problems but his skill was top notch hence going #1... I may be wrong but my eyes do not see the same arm talent between Vick and Jackson Expand From what little I can recall, Vick had by far better passing mechanics in college. But people forget the most he ever passed for was just over 2000 yds - only 1200 yds his final year. I could be mistaken, but I think Jackson may be ahead of where Vick was with understanding progressions and staying with the play. Edited April 10, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 8:44 AM, NewEra said: And it’s not like we cut him. We got a 2nd rd pick Expand ...yes I know...it was a 3rd which was surprising......the kid gets a fresh start and McBeane gets a 3rd....hence win-win IMO..............
NewEra Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 10:34 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...yes I know...it was a 3rd which was surprising......the kid gets a fresh start and McBeane gets a 3rd....hence win-win IMO.............. Expand No doubt. I consider that pick a 2nd being the 1st pick in the 3rd rd. Makes me feel even better about it, 1
thenorthremembers Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 I thought this was interesting so I did some research and came up with a few of my own. Including Mason Rudolph here as I think he is a legitimate late 1st to 2nd round prospect. Josh Allen Ceiling: Joe Flacco Floor: Drew Stanton Sam Darnold Ceiling: Matt Stafford Floor: Mark Sanchez Josh Rosen Ceiling: Jameis Winton Floor: Deshone Kizer Baker Mayfield Ceiling: Andy Dalton Floor: Brandon Weeden Mason Rudolph Ceiling: Matt Ryan Floor: Mike Glennon Lamar Jackson Ceiling: Tyrod Taylor Floor: RGIII
Prickly Pete Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 I doubt anyone here knows the "floor" or "ceiling" for any of these players...what nonsense.
thenorthremembers Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 3:15 PM, OJABBA said: I doubt anyone here knows the "floor" or "ceiling" for any of these players...what nonsense. Expand I also doubt anyone here knows where, or when someone is going to be drafted. It is however nice to talk about these things and give opinions, kind of the point of a message board, or am I wrong? 1
Buffalo716 Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 10:17 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I thought I'd seen some ignorant comments here, but that's pretty damn ignorant. From what little I can recall, Vick had by far better passing mechanics in college. But people forget the most he ever passed for was just over 2000 yds - only 1200 yds his final year. I could be mistaken, but I think Jackson may be ahead of where Vick was with understanding progressions and staying with the play. Expand That is a valid point but Vick Also only had 180 and 160 passing attempts those years... Lamar had 247 Attempts as a freshman , 409 and then 430 he attempted way more passes that Vick yearly... Vicks yards per attempt as a Freshman was a staggering 11.3
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 I'm going to catch some heat for a couple of these, but that's ok. On 4/10/2018 at 3:03 PM, thenorthremembers said: I thought this was interesting so I did some research and came up with a few of my own. Including Mason Rudolph here as I think he is a legitimate late 1st to 2nd round prospect. Josh Allen Ceiling: Joe Flacco Floor: Drew Stanton Sam Darnold Ceiling: Matt Stafford Floor: Mark Sanchez Josh Rosen Ceiling: Tom Brady Floor: Sam Bradford Baker Mayfield Ceiling: Russell Wilson Floor: Brandon Weeden Mason Rudolph Ceiling: Matt Ryan Floor: Mike Glennon Lamar Jackson Ceiling: Philly Mike Vick Floor: RGIII Expand
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