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3 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Interesting. So you are an expert on Alabama because????

 

Where is your list of  "knuckle draggers" on the Alabama roster? I'm curious to see it.

 

http://www.rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football

 

 

Give it up. Look up UNC. Look up Florida State in Jimbo's glory days. 

To repeat, this is really the wrong hill to die on. Big time college sports is thoroughly corrupt but entertaining. It is what it is. Accept it.

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4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Give it up. Look up UNC. Look up Florida State in Jimbo's glory days. 

To repeat, this is really the wrong hill to die on. Big time college sports is thoroughly corrupt but entertaining. It is what it is. Accept it.

 

They all break rules....some get caught, some don't.  The bold part is 100% accurate.

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1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I'll patiently wait for the list of knuckle draggers in the Alabama football rooster. Since it is most of them, it should be easy to compile.

This is a ridiculous question, but let's start with Rueben Foster and Marcel Dareus.   I neither know enough about their roster (nor actually care) but feel very confident in surmising that the average SAT score hovers in the 925 range given that they're an SEC school competing with the likes of Florida (a better academic school) for talent. https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

 

A 925-950 score on the SAT is actually terrible. You know that, right? 

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16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is a ridiculous question, but let's start with Rueben Foster and Marcel Dareus.   I neither know enough about their roster (nor actually care) but feel very confident in surmising that the average SAT score hovers in the 925 range given that they're an SEC school competing with the likes of Florida (a better academic school) for talent. https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

 

A 925-950 score on the SAT is actually terrible. You know that, right? 

 

You assume 925 - 950? Come back to me when you actually have facts and data.

 

What is ridiculous about my question? You made a bold claim that most college football players are "knuckle draggers".  I asked you to prove it by making a list of knuckle draggers from the football program at Alabama and all you can come up with is Rueben Foster and Marcel Dareus, who graduated in 2011? There were quite a few players between 2011 and present. So really, about less than 1% of Alabama players were knuckle draggers over that time period, assuming that the designation actually fits Foster and Dareus?

 

In your mind, does less than 1% qualify as "most"?

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

You assume 925 - 950? Come back to me when you actually have facts and data.

 

What is ridiculous about my question? You made a bold claim that most college football players are "knuckle draggers".  I asked you to prove it by making a list of knuckle draggers from the football program at Alabama and all you can come up with is Rueben Foster and Marcel Dareus, who graduated in 2011? There were quite a few players between 2011 and present. So really, about less than 1% of Alabama players were knuckle draggers over that time period, assuming that the designation actually fits Foster and Dareus?

 

In your mind, does less than 1% qualify as "most"?

 

 

 

Oh jeez. Given that the 10th ranked school is 964 (very sad in and of itself) and a) Alabama isn't in that top 10 and b) Alabama ranks 50th out of 51 states (plus DC, which is last) in high school math scores, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 925-950 is a pretty accurate guess. In fact, I'd bet money on it.

 

I don't know what or who you're arguing on behalf of at this point. Why do you even care about the academic performance of the team's football players? It doesn't tell you anything about the overall school (which you seem to care most about). 

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6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Oh jeez. Given that the 10th ranked school is 964 (very sad in and of itself) and a) Alabama isn't in that top 10 and b) Alabama ranks 50th out of 51 states (plus DC, which is last) in high school math scores, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 925-950 is a pretty accurate guess. In fact, I'd bet money on it.

 

I don't know what or who you're arguing on behalf of at this point. Why do you even care about the academic performance of the team's football players? It doesn't tell you anything about the overall school (which you seem to care most about). 

 

In addition to proving that Alabama is an excellent academic institution that serves both elite students (75th percentile ACT of 32, 40% of students having a ACT greater than 30) and non-elite students, I have been quite clear about Rosen: He has no clue what he is talking about, and if he wasn't good at throwing a ball, no one would care what he had to say.

 

I think the greatest college coach of all time has it right:

 

"We've had 23, 29, and 22 guys (over the last three years) play in their last game here - which is a playoff game or a championship game - with a college degree," Saban told ESPN. "Now regardless of what those guys' ACT score was, or SAT score, they had an opportunity that they took advantage of that's going to be a great deposit or investment for their future. They're going to have a better life because they had an opportunity to go to college."

 

Can you please explain what you mean by "knuckle dragger"? I am very curious.

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3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

In addition to proving that Alabama is an excellent academic institution that serves both elite students (75th percentile ACT of 32, 40% of students having a ACT greater than 30) and non-elite students, I have been quite clear about Rosen: He has no clue what he is talking about, and if he wasn't good at throwing a ball, no one would care what he had to say.

 

I think the greatest college coach of all time has it right:

 

"We've had 23, 29, and 22 guys (over the last three years) play in their last game here - which is a playoff game or a championship game - with a college degree," Saban told ESPN. "Now regardless of what those guys' ACT score was, or SAT score, they had an opportunity that they took advantage of that's going to be a great deposit or investment for their future. They're going to have a better life because they had an opportunity to go to college."

 

Can you please explain what you mean by "knuckle dragger"? I am very curious.

 

Every University serves elite and non-elite students.  

You have not proven anything....you're so out of touch of reality it's bizarre.

 

I showed you rankings from Forbes, US News and other sites that rank colleges.  You didn't like those rankings so you're not going to agree with it even though these sites did a lot more research than you.  Excellent academic school that accepts more than half the people that apply?  LOL....not a very exclusive club.  It's still a good school but it's not heaven like you have been talking about.

 

Rosen knows more about the college game than you.  He's in it.  You're on the outside looking in with rose colored glasses.  You're are such a kid it's weird.

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1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

 

In addition to proving that Alabama is an excellent academic institution that serves both elite students (75th percentile ACT of 32, 40% of students having a ACT greater than 30) and non-elite students, I have been quite clear about Rosen: He has no clue what he is talking about, and if he wasn't good at throwing a ball, no one would care what he had to say.

 

I think the greatest college coach of all time has it right:

 

"We've had 23, 29, and 22 guys (over the last three years) play in their last game here - which is a playoff game or a championship game - with a college degree," Saban told ESPN. "Now regardless of what those guys' ACT score was, or SAT score, they had an opportunity that they took advantage of that's going to be a great deposit or investment for their future. They're going to have a better life because they had an opportunity to go to college."

 

Can you please explain what you mean by "knuckle dragger"? I am very curious.

I am not going to respond to the meat of this because it's pointless, but have you never really heard the term knuckle dragger? If not, look it up.

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Every University serves elite and non-elite students.  

You have not proven anything....you're so out of touch of reality it's bizarre.

 

I showed you rankings from Forbes, US News and other sites that rank colleges.  You didn't like those rankings so you're not going to agree with it even though these sites did a lot more research than you.  Excellent academic school that accepts more than half the people that apply?  LOL....not a very exclusive club.  It's still a good school but it's not heaven like you have been talking about.

 

Rosen knows more about the college game than you.  He's in it.  You're on the outside looking in with rose colored glasses.  You're are such a kid it's weird.

 

I'm guessing the that you have no absolutely no clue what methodologies US News and Forbes use.

 

Top students from all over the country disagree with you about the academics at Alabama.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-students-brain-drain-20180405-story.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html

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6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

No I don't know the methodologies they use since I didn't conduct the studies.  Are you trying to say that if we don't know all the details about a study then it's null?

 I recently read a study with rankings of the best foods for immune support.  I didn't know all their methodologies so I guess it's false.  Geezus dude.

 

Every major school has top students....every single one.  You're acting like this makes Alabama unique.  I mean seriously dude.....grow up.

My HS Valedictorian chose Georgia over any school in America....I guess now UGA is a top level school.

 

There are several people in this thread criticizing you for your arguments (well deserved because they are terrible) but you keep thinking you're the smartest person.  I can't figure this out.  You are a child....

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43 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No I don't know the methodologies they use since I didn't conduct the studies.  Are you trying to say that if we don't know all the details about a study then it's null?

 I recently read a study with rankings of the best foods for immune support.  I didn't know all their methodologies so I guess it's false.  Geezus dude.

 

Every major school has top students....every single one.  You're acting like this makes Alabama unique.  I mean seriously dude.....grow up.

My HS Valedictorian chose Georgia over any school in America....I guess now UGA is a top level school.

 

There are several people in this thread criticizing you for your arguments (well deserved because they are terrible) but you keep thinking you're the smartest person.  I can't figure this out.  You are a child....

 

If you are going to spout ratings as gospel, you should at least have some idea how they are derived.

 

https://www.liberalartscolleges.com/us-news-college-rankings-meaningless/

 

Anyway, I am a value shopper anyway. If I had a choice between Harvard and Alabama and they were the same price, I would probably choose Harvard. If I got the Presidential Scholarship at Alabama and 4 yrs cost me $60K versus $250K for Harvard, I would choose Alabama.

 

Alabama's 75th percentile ACT score is 32, UGA's is 31. Both have about an equal number of elite students (Alabama slightly more).

 

 

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I am not going to respond to the meat of this because it's pointless, but have you never really heard the term knuckle dragger? If not, look it up.

 

Let's assume that you are using the standard definition: Stupid and loutish.

 

So you are saying most college football players are stupid and loutish?

 

And how do you define most? 51%, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%? More?

 

So maybe 90% or more are stupid and loutish?

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3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

If you are going to spout ratings as gospel, you should at least have some idea how they are derived.

 

https://www.liberalartscolleges.com/us-news-college-rankings-meaningless/

 

Anyway, I am a value shopper anyway. If I had a choice between Harvard and Alabama and they were the same price, I would probably choose Harvard. If I got the Presidential Scholarship at Alabama and 4 yrs cost me $60K versus $250K for Harvard, I would choose Alabama.

 

Alabama's 75th percentile ACT score is 32, UGA's is 31. Both have about an equal number of elite students (Alabama slightly more).

 

 

 

You are just bad at debating.

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL....I’ve lived in Atlanta for a total of 20 years.

 

Zero bias, you just make absolutely terrible arguments as others, many others have pointed out.  

 

That doesn't mean that you don't have a bias against the south, or Alabama in particular.

 

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Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

That doesn't mean that you don't have a bias against the south, or Alabama in particular.

 

 

What is wrong with you?

Im raising my son in the south.  I moved away and came back.  I have nothing against the south or the state of Alabama.  I’ve said it more than once that it’s a good school.  You just get your panties in a wad if people don’t say it’s an elite academic school.  

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“I am raising my son in the south”.

 

Is he a top student? 

 

Can’t beat the NMF scholarship at Alabama.

 

https://scholarships.ua.edu/nationalscholars/

On 4/3/2018 at 12:20 PM, MAJBobby said:

So if it is so easy playing football and having a top end degree someone explain to me why 

 

Harvard, Yale and the IVY leagues are no longer competitive?

 

Y Notre Dame has a hard time landing recruits 

 

i mean all school Degree Programs are the same wouldnt as a too end athlete wouldnt you want to play for one of thise schools make it to league and get a prestigious degree as well?

 

oooo wait because they are not. No matter what comes out of the quitters mouth 

 

Ivy League schools aren’t competitive because they don’t offer athletic scholarships.

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4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Is he a good student? 

 

Can’t beat the NMF scholarship at Alabama.

 

https://scholarships.ua.edu/nationalscholars/

 

Sure you can---adding  all the booster cash thrown in under the table to the rest of the package (including endless poontang), it's much better to get a football scholarship and avoid all that high school studying and stuff...

 

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8 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Love his interviews, he's making the talking heads go crazy

Rosen that is.. screw saban

 

Huh? The media loves him. Good for business. Ridiculous and stupid sells. The more outrageous the better. He should have had three or four girls in the hot tub in his dorm room. He should have played up the oppression of college football players more too and thrown in race for good measure. Why just one more SB than Brady? He should have said that he would at least double his total. Rather than F Trump on his hat, he should have spray painted it on himself naked. Rookie mistakes. He probably needs a better agent. People seem to never tire of side show antics.

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11 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

“I am raising my son in the south”.

 

Is he a top student? 

 

Can’t beat the NMF scholarship at Alabama.

 

https://scholarships.ua.edu/nationalscholars/

 

Ivy League schools aren’t competitive because they don’t offer athletic scholarships.

 

No he's not a top student because he's 3.  

What point are you making?

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11 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

“I am raising my son in the south”.

 

Is he a top student? 

 

Can’t beat the NMF scholarship at Alabama.

 

https://scholarships.ua.edu/nationalscholars/

 

Ivy League schools aren’t competitive because they don’t offer athletic scholarships.

 

The Ivy League isn't competitive because it's an academic school with the highest standards in the country.

If they gave athletic scholarships, All American football players aren't playing there.

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Bama doesn’t care. What’s his 40 time?

 

Roughly about 14.27

At least he's got a lot of room to improve.

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19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No he's not a top student because he's 3.  

What point are you making?

 

My point: The University of Alabama has very generous scholarships for high stat students. If he was in high school and was a good student, Alabama would be a good candidate school. GA has the Hope Scholarship though, so UA is a little less compelling than for GA stduents than for top students from states that have high in-state tuition. On the other hand, a lot of really good students can't get in GT or UGA.

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2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

My point: The University of Alabama has very generous scholarships for high stat students. If he was in high school and was a good student, Alabama would be a good candidate school. GA has the Hope Scholarship though, so UA is a little less compelling than for GA stduents than for top students from states that have high in-state tuition.

 

Almost every single school as generous scholarships, grants and other forms of financial aid.  Again...this doesn't make Alabama unique.

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10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Almost every single school as generous scholarships, grants and other forms of financial aid.  Again...this doesn't make Alabama unique.

 

If you can name schools that have better guaranteed merit scholarships than The University of Alabama, pass them along and I'll share them. There will be a lot of interest. Ole Miss has really good guaranteed merit scholarships too. Not a bad school, but Alabama is better

 

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6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

If you can name schools that have better guaranteed merit scholarships than The University of Alabama, pass it along and I'll share it. There will be a lot of interest. 

 

There are over 5,000 colleges in America.  I'm not going to research on this.  Neither will you.  

I also never said they have "better"....I just said every college has scholarships, grants and other forms of financial aid.

Now you wanted to turn this into a competition if they're better than Alabama.  You just want to assume Alabama is one of the best in every aspect.  You are very strange person.  

 

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5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

If you can name schools that have better guaranteed merit scholarships than The University of Alabama, pass them along and I'll share them. There will be a lot of interest. Ole Miss has really good guaranteed merit scholarships too. Not a bad school, but Alabama is better

 

I kinda admit this crazy fight you are irrationally having.  No one outside of Alabama thinks of the University of Alabama as an academic university.  It is currently ranked 110 in the country, which is actually higher than I thought (UCLA is 21).  Alabama is also ranked 47 in education as a state. 

 

Be be happy you have a great football team but in terms of education, at least you’re better than Mississippi!!!

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I kinda admit this crazy fight you are irrationally having.  No one outside of Alabama thinks of the University of Alabama as an academic university.  It is currently ranked 110 in the country, which is actually higher than I thought (UCLA is 21).  Alabama is also ranked 47 in education as a state. 

 

Be be happy you have a great football team but in terms of education, at least you’re better than Mississippi!!!

 

Forbes has them like around 250.  I showed him these rankings but he doesn't like them so he doesn't agree with them.  He feels his arguments are better for some reason.

Alabama has an acceptance rate above 50%....meaning more than half of the people that apply get in.  Doesn't mean it's an easy or bad school....it's just not an elite one that he tries to push on us.  Either he's extremely brain washed, trolling or not intelligent.  To me it's either A or C.

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College football coaches are pretty much all POS in all honesty and Saban is at the head of the pack. They use kids up and spit them out and they don't give a crap about the kids on the team who aren't all that good. Snake oil salesmen all of them. Rosen is right. Look at the way Jim Mora is talking...POS. Brian Kelly threw Kizer under the bus last year. He had no reason to do that other than being a POS. 

 

They use kids for their own benefit and the majority of the kids get nothing out of it, except a free education that they usually can't  finish 

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Of course I

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

There are over 5,000 colleges in America.  I'm not going to research on this.  Neither will you.  

I also never said they have "better"....I just said every college has scholarships, grants and other forms of financial aid.

Now you wanted to turn this into a competition if they're better than Alabama.  You just want to assume Alabama is one of the best in every aspect.  You are very strange person.  

 

 

Of course, every college has scholarships, grants and other forms of financial aid. I am talking about guaranteed scholarships based solely on merit.

 

Here you go. With the cost of college, this is obviously a hot topic that he has been heavily researched.

 

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/2006094-2017-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships.html

 

 

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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Forbes has them like around 250.  I showed him these rankings but he doesn't like them so he doesn't agree with them.  He feels his arguments are better for some reason.

Alabama has an acceptance rate above 50%....meaning more than half of the people that apply get in.  Doesn't mean it's an easy or bad school....it's just not an elite one that he tries to push on us.  Either he's extremely brain washed, trolling or not intelligent.  To me it's either A or C.

I used US News and I thought it was high.  Bottom line is it’s a great school for kids in Alabama, which is one of the worst academic states in the country. They will basically get in any recruit they want.  I think Carson Palmer got rejected by Notre Dame back in the day.

 

That said, where you go to school is overrated.  It’s about getting connections and working hard once you get an opportunity.  But the Diver needs to stop jumping out of planes to pretend like Alabama is a good academic school.

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1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

Of course I

 

Of course, every college has scholarships, grants and other forms of financial aid. I am talking about guaranteed scholarships based solely on merit.

 

Here you go. With the cost of college, this is obviously a hot topic that he has been heavily researched.

 

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/2006094-2017-automatic-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships.html

 

 

 

Geezus dude....this is a message board link with 5 pages.  This is your idea of "heavily researched"?

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16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I kinda admit this crazy fight you are irrationally having.  No one outside of Alabama thinks of the University of Alabama as an academic university.  It is currently ranked 110 in the country, which is actually higher than I thought (UCLA is 21).  Alabama is also ranked 47 in education as a state. 

 

Be be happy you have a great football team but in terms of education, at least you’re better than Mississippi!!!

 

Top students from all over the country feel differently.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-students-brain-drain-20180405-story.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html

 

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