Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919 "Souls are not punished," the Pope was quoted as saying in the Repubblica piece. "Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell - there is the disappearance of sinful souls." Of course the Vatican disagrees, but as one who grew up Catholic I find it fascinating Pope Francis, against thousands of years of traditional doctrine, has the gall to imply there is no hell and that "sinful souls" merely disappear. These ideas open many cans of worms for those who interested in whether or not the Devil and other evil deities exist. Happy Easter PPP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, garybusey said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919 "Souls are not punished," the Pope was quoted as saying in the Repubblica piece. "Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell - there is the disappearance of sinful souls." Of course the Vatican disagrees, but as one who grew up Catholic I find it fascinating Pope Francis, against thousands of years of traditional doctrine, has the gall to imply there is no hell and that "sinful souls" merely disappear. These ideas open many cans of worms for those who interested in whether or not the Devil and other evil deities exist. Happy Easter PPP I would say reading just one of your posts is paramount to being in Purgatory, but reading a whole post by OC is a special kind of Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Clearly someone who's never been to PPP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 This from the same Pope who saw himself holding the authority to change the Word of God. Gary, the Deceiver is alive and well, and this Pope holds his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 No hell? Clearly the Pope has never met anyone who worked on Hillary's last presidential campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This from the same Pope who saw himself holding the authority to change the Word of God. Pope Francis is fascinated with theological debates about good and evil. The word you're referring to is peirasmos, which has two co-equal English translations - "To tempt" & "To be tested" - which are seemingly opposite of each other, a representation of evil (to tempt someone) and of a chance for good (to be tested). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, garybusey said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919 "Souls are not punished," the Pope was quoted as saying in the Repubblica piece. "Those who repent obtain God's forgiveness and go among the ranks of those who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot be forgiven disappear. There is no hell - there is the disappearance of sinful souls." Of course the Vatican disagrees, but as one who grew up Catholic I find it fascinating Pope Francis, against thousands of years of traditional doctrine, has the gall to imply there is no hell and that "sinful souls" merely disappear. These ideas open many cans of worms for those who interested in whether or not the Devil and other evil deities exist. Happy Easter PPP As long as Hillary is still around, hell is alive and kicking, or slipping in in her case. Edited March 30, 2018 by westside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 He's in for a rough year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) "Disappearance of souls." Nifty little workaround. Ontologically dubious, but politically expedient. Stupid and pandering enough that it just might work. Anyway, hopefully on the next conference call with God, Pontiff guy can bring up a way of simplifying the rules for getting into heaven. This whole two feet in and "complete the process" thing isn't working. ***EDIT: Hold on a sec... Upon review, the Vatican is changing the ruling on the field. There is sufficient evidence for them to state, once again, that "The souls of sinners descend into hell, where they suffer "eternal fire." Please re-set the play clock, remains second down. Edited March 30, 2018 by Cugalabanza 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, garybusey said: Pope Francis is fascinated with theological debates about good and evil. The word you're referring to is peirasmos, which has two co-equal English translations - "To tempt" & "To be tested" - which are seemingly opposite of each other, a representation of evil (to tempt someone) and of a chance for good (to be tested). This Pope is not so much fascinated with debates about good an evil in so much as he tends towards arguments that there is no such thing as evil; going so far as to argue that the Lord's Prayer, the very Word of God, should be changed to those ends. This is wicked. 17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's in for a rough year. Indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This Pope is not so much fascinated with debates about good an evil in so much as he tends towards arguments that there is no such thing as evil; going so far as to argue that the Lord's Prayer, the very Word of God, should be changed to those ends. This is wicked. There is no hell to go to... If we are already living there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 So, the new hell is atheism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Hoo boy. The sedevacantists are having a field day now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Black eyed pope... There seems to be a string of people with black eyes, always the left eye. Wonder why that is. (No I don't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Black eyed pope... I want to start a band just so I can use that as the band name. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This Pope is not so much fascinated with debates about good an evil in so much as he tends towards arguments that there is no such thing as evil; going so far as to argue that the Lord's Prayer, the very Word of God, should be changed to those ends. The Lord's prayer was changed in the language you and I speak, English, but the Latin was not altered. I wonder if Vatican II took into consideration when it allowed the Catholic mass to be spoken in languages other than Latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Edited March 30, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Black eyed pope... There seems to be a string of people with black eyes, always the left eye. Wonder why that is. (No I don't) So you think the Pretzel Industrial Complex is behind this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So their wives (or the Pope's valet) are all Righties! Edited March 30, 2018 by freddyjj typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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