CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, terrytate said: Teams that have traded picks to get their qb in the top 5. 1. Wentz. worked out 2. Goff worked out 3. Eli worked out If all those teams can give up picks to get a qb and be competitive so can we. Those QBs were all rated higher than the QBs in this draft. The only QB with as much talent is Darnold and he's coming out after starting two years so you really have to do a larger projection on him then you did with the others because they had more college starting experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Rams were a worst to first type turnaround. The Eagles had an MVP candidate at QB before he was injured. You're not trying at all. Before we anoint goff king I want to see if this is a foles mirage or not. Is he the guy that played terribly as a rookie or the guy that played well with arguably the best supporting cast in football??? We will see next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 You don't make the moves this franchise has dating back to the restructure of Tyrods deal, to come away with McCaron and the scraps left of the top And. The second Beane traded up for 12, reports were Buffalo was trying to get up to three with the Colts... That tells me they want one of the big boys and were left on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: Those QBs were all rated higher than the QBs in this draft. The only QB with as much talent is Darnold and he's coming out after starting two years so you really have to do a larger projection on him then you did with the others because they had more college starting experience. no. Wentz threw 600 passes in his career for a d2 college . When he was drafted no one knew who the hell he was , it was all highlights and projections. If anyone knew how good he was going to be the Browns could've gotten a lot more for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Meant late first round v top 5. 24 v 17 on samples of just over 30. Confidence intervals would overlap at that sample size, meaning statistically equivalent. My read on the eagles is chip is a bad nfl coach who built a talented ROSTER. Good coaches took advantage of the set up to the fullest. But Foles won the ring, not Wentz. If the goal is to draft a QB who will play in a SB, he is most likely to be found in the top 5 picks--no matter how you ended up picking in the top 5. Yes we all see that Foles won the Sb. But do you think that Foles wins all the games that Wentz won before he was injured? I'm trying to get you to comment specifically on the Wentz pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, terrytate said: Teams that have traded picks to get their qb in the top 5. 1. Wentz. worked out 2. Goff worked out 3. Eli worked out If all those teams can give up picks to get a qb and be competitive so can we. But the bills went just as far in the playoffs as the rams with a fifth round cast off... sigh alright your right Carson Wentz won the playoff from IR. i give up. Beane if you don’t trade every pick for the next 5 years to draft matt leinart or Robert Griffin I’m so done with this team 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Please educate me: top versus rest of first round super bowl start %.... what is the Confidence interval on the data set? Di you understand the interaction between sample size? Ill sit sit back and await my recalibration. 2 You just changed your original premise. In any event, your parsing of this data is an interesting take. EDIT: My bad. I just read your post again. Edited March 18, 2018 by N.Y. Orangeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: But the bills went just as far in the playoffs as the rams with a fifth round cast off... sigh alright your right Carson Wentz won the playoff from IR. i give up. Beane if you don’t trade every pick for the next 5 years to draft matt leinart or Robert Griffin I’m so done with this team Are you insinuating that we are further along than the rams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, terrytate said: no. Wentz threw 600 passes in his career for a d2 college . When he was drafted no one knew who the hell he was , it was all highlights and projections. If anyone knew how good he was going to be the Browns could've gotten a lot more for him. He was a senior who got to play in the senior bowl where every GM could actually see what and who he was. Darnold wouldn't even work out at the combine. I'd take Wentz over Darnold every time. Doesn't mean Darnold wont be better in the long run just means he has more questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: This really isn't that difficult... End thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: If the goal is to draft a QB who will play in a SB, he is most likely to be found in the top 5 picks--no matter how you ended up picking in the top 5. Yes we all see that Foles won the Sb. But do you think that Foles wins all the games that Wentz won before he was injured? I'm trying to get you to comment specifically on the Wentz pick. I get the Wentz pick WEO I get it. But that team won without him against the greatest qb ever. That roster and coaching staff was just as competitive with a nearly retired castoff journeyman. But now the bar for Wentz is very high to prove he was worth it all. Very much tbd. Reports are his knee injury rg3 bad. Wentz had had as much to do with this run as Phil Simms did with Super Bowl 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I don’t think the Jets or their fans will care too long about what they gave up if it means they have a legit franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. Chances are the Jets will ruin whoever they draft. Their roster is truly ****. Couple that with the NY media and it's a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: He was a senior who got to play in the senior bowl where every GM could actually see what and who he was. Darnold wouldn't even work out at the combine. I'd take Wentz over Darnold every time. Doesn't mean Darnold wont be better in the long run just means he has more questions. Wentz had to throw every chance he got because no one saw him. Darnold was playing on national television every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, terrytate said: Wentz had to throw every chance he got because no one saw him. Darnold was playing on national television every game. Everyone was talking about Wentz during the football season. Even Whaley and his guys were talking abuot Wentz months before the senior bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I get the Wentz pick WEO I get it. But that team won without him against the greatest qb ever. That roster and coaching staff was just as competitive with a nearly retired castoff journeyman. But now the bar for Wentz is very high to prove he was worth it all. Very much tbd. Reports are his knee injury rg3 bad. Wentz had had as much to do with this run as Phil Simms did with Super Bowl 25 Well wentz got them a bye, and he got them home field advantage . He had a lot to do with their success. His knee maybe rg3 bad, but his Mind and Arm are Peyton manning good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I get the Wentz pick WEO I get it. But that team won without him against the greatest qb ever. That roster and coaching staff was just as competitive with a nearly retired castoff journeyman. But now the bar for Wentz is very high to prove he was worth it all. Very much tbd. Reports are his knee injury rg3 bad. Wentz had had as much to do with this run as Phil Simms did with Super Bowl 25 You didn't answer my question. You keep restating the result we all saw. Foles isn't a guy off the street by the way. He had success with a very different Eagles teams several years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Everyone was talking about Wentz during the football season. Even Whaley and his guys were talking abuot Wentz months before the senior bowl. months? you mean those 2 months where he had a broken wrist. Wentz got drafted by his size and arm talent. Not by his college performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Wow...that is a fascinating spin. Its called Im gonna add a couple big words to my take combined with a little psycho babble so I can confuse the crap out of everyone and hope they think I actually know what Im taking about. Or hes just trying to be funny which didnt work at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 There are so many ways to fill out a roster and we have so many dead drafts where we have nothing to show. I really can’t understand why people over value draft picks the way they do. It wouldn’t take our whole draft to move to 1, but just to show the extreme. If we traded our ENTIRE draft for #1 and took Darnold, we would still be fine. And better off today then we were at any point in recent memory. The QB is just a different thing all together. The Jets will be fine and we will look terrible if they get one of the 2 very good QBs. We have plenty of picks. Trading up was the only way to go IMO. If we arent going up, why were we so quick to move all those good players last year? We did that to get the best qb. Not the best guy left after the good ones are gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, terrytate said: months? you mean those 2 months where he had a broken wrist. Wentz got drafted by his size and arm talent. Not by his college performance. Months before. Months. Go google it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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