billsredneck1 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:25 PM, Green Lightning said: worse quarterback position than we were in last year. Because that's where we are now. Expand worse???? our passing game is going to at least double in production.
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:18 PM, Green Lightning said: It's not pay back, the Jets just threw down decided to make their strongest play and gave up a bevy of picks. Of course Indy took that deal. We weren't willing to do that apparently or just maybe, Beane has a deal with the Giants. Expand Or the Bills didn't have a high pick to offer , but the Jets did.
JerseyBills Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:24 PM, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Fair enough, but at this point I’m not sure what the team plans on doing with all the spare $$. I’ll agree with all of that, if the amassing of draft picks result in a top QB. Expand We aquired some nice pieces in FA, and moved up 9 spots for a LT that we didn't need!
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) On 3/17/2018 at 11:27 PM, JerseyBills said: Nick Foles says Hi. Blake Bortles says Hi. Case Keenum says Hi. All had their teams a win away from the SB. Foles won it. All were viewed as below average-average at best last year. They had great teams though , so they didn't need to play great. How has that worked for Stafford,Rivers for example. Even if we hit on a QB , you still need a great team behind him. We have a chance to build a great team with 5 picks in first 65 selections. If we take a QB at 12 or 22, that's fine with me. Just cannot see Beane mortgaging the future for the available qbs Expand Bortles held his team back, and Keenum did have a great season (yet the Vikings parted with him). Foles (won’t be starter next season) made the playoffs based off the work of Wentz. He happened to get hot at the right time. Foles already had an incredible season with Chip Kelly. He has shown to be a streaky player who can light it up at times. Foles is a talented QB who can look elite, or just plain awful. McCarron doesn’t have the skill set of Foles. McCarron projects as a game managing backup QB. I don’t discount the point that you made. I just don’t think that the NFL has changed to the point where you can use these examples as the template to success. You still need a real QB. Edited March 17, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5
Sweats Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Maybe, just maybe the FO is planning to stay at #12. What the hell do I know
Manther Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:21 PM, JerseyBills said: Glenn was traded to save $$ because Dawkins stepped in as a rookie and played very well at LT. There is no hole created, the hole was plugged when Buffalo traded up to get Dawkins. Now we're paying our starting LT a rookie contract for the next 3 years.. He would have likely been cut anyway! Expand Poppycock. Glenn wouldn’t have been cut!
Green Lightning Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:09 PM, JerseyBills said: Everybody and their mother knew Wentz n Goff were going 1 and 2. They were highly regarded as potential franchise qbs and those two were on a level and every other QB was below. There's 4 QB that you can make an argument for one being better than the other, there isn't a clear cut guy. Why waste so much precious draft capital on one?? I could see if McD has been here for years and they had a roster full of their guys, but it's year 2 and still laying the foundation, those picks are extremely valuable to a 2nd year GM and HC, Expand If we miss yet again on a quarterback in this draft were in worse shape than we were last year with the quarterbacks that we now have. Its more years of mediocrity. Just get a GD quarterback. On 3/17/2018 at 11:27 PM, billsredneck1 said: worse???? our passing game is going to at least double in production. Expand Based on what? A career backup who started four games several years ago? Come on. On 3/17/2018 at 11:27 PM, Boatdrinks said: Or the Bills didn't have a high pick to offer , but the Jets did. Expand That could well be. Absolutely.
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:57 PM, Green Lightning said: If we miss yet again on a quarterback in this draft were in worse shape than we were last year with the quarterbacks that we now have. Its more years of mediocrity. Just get a GD quarterback. Expand The Bills tried to trade into the Colts spot at 3. The Colts took an offer from a team with a higher draft position and moved down only 3 spots. I'm curious how you would suggest they go about drafting this QB if no team is willing to move down out of the top ten?
billsredneck1 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:57 PM, Green Lightning said: If we miss yet again on a quarterback in this draft were in worse shape than we were last year with the quarterbacks that we now have. Its more years of mediocrity. Just get a GD quarterback. Based on what? A career backup who started four games several years ago? Come on. Expand based on our starting qb didn't make one ounce of improvement in 3yrs and we had one of the lamest passing attacks in the league. we could bring fitz back and he would look like an all pro compared to what we are used to seeing.
IndyMark Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:17 PM, Koko78 said: If the Jests aren't actually looking at a QB, are they trying to force the Bills to panic and give up a crapton of picks to jump ahead of them? Expand If this is the case, the Jets are really dim. Does Bean strike anyone here as the personality type to "panic"? And panic over what? The Jets decision making? Please, the Jets have made some really goofy decisions over the years, and all of the sudden now they are shrewd? And can anticipate Bean's temperment? That is comical. I cannot imagine a scenario where Beane accumulates draft picks to casually forfeit them to draft a notoriously suspect QB; and by that I mean any 5 of the "hot" prospects. The Bills have too many holes are positions with no depth. Why risk that for one player....and an iffy one at that? This stated, the Jets panicked and over paid. No question.
JerseyBills Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:57 PM, Green Lightning said: If we miss yet again on a quarterback in this draft were in worse shape than we were last year with the quarterbacks that we now have. Its more years of mediocrity. Just get a GD quarterback. Expand Really working for Stafford, Rivers, Carr , Winston, Mariota . I can keep going. How many playoff wins between those franchise QB????? How many appearances???? I thought the objective was to WIN, not be able to throw for 4000 yards and Lose. The game is changing. QB play is declining. Average QB can win a SB.
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:57 PM, Green Lightning said: If we miss yet again on a quarterback in this draft were in worse shape than we were last year with the quarterbacks that we now have. Its more years of mediocrity. Just get a GD quarterback. Based on what? A career backup who started four games several years ago? Come on. That could well be. Absolutely. Expand Getting a QB just to get a QB smacks of EJ desperation.
Tatonka68 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 1. Cleveland - Darnold QB 2. NY Giants - Barkley RB 3. NY Jets - Rosen QB 4. (TRADE) Bills - Allen QB NEVER WANTED ROSEN NOT A MCBEAN PLAYER. I am fine with this and Allen in my opinion will be the next Elway.
Koko78 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:03 AM, IndyMark said: If this is the case, the Jets are really dim. Does Bean strike anyone here as the personality type to "panic"? And panic over what? The Jets decision making? Please, the Jets have made some really goofy decisions over the years, and all of the sudden now they are shrewd? And can anticipate Bean's temperment? That is comical. I cannot imagine a scenario where Beane accumulates draft picks to casually forfeit them to draft a notoriously suspect QB; and by that I mean any 5 of the "hot" prospects. The Bills have too many holes are positions with no depth. Why risk that for one player....and an iffy one at that? This stated, the Jets panicked and over paid. No question. Expand It's been done before. That said, I agree that they are miscalculating if their sole purpose was to force the Bills to use up their draft picks to move up to 2. However, if they are not looking for a QB, I'm sure there is someone else they are targeting that they did not believe would last to 6.
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:03 AM, Boatdrinks said: The Bills tried to trade into the Colts spot at 3. The Colts took an offer from a team with a higher draft position and moved down only 3 spots. I'm curious how you would suggest they go about drafting this QB if no team is willing to move down out of the top ten? Expand Well the short story is we don't know anything really. We don't know what was offered if anything. All we can do is wait this out. Hindsight is 20-20 but right now we don't know if they even had a serious negotiation. Factors most of us on this board saw the goings-on, trading are starting quarterback, all the Machinations to move up and saw it as a chance to get a franchise quarterback. Right now all that is in question and it could be frustrating if we end up with the quarterbacks we now have on opening day. On 3/18/2018 at 12:03 AM, billsredneck1 said: based on our starting qb didn't make one ounce of improvement in 3yrs and we had one of the lamest passing attacks in the league. we could bring fitz back and he would look like an all pro compared to what we are used to seeing. Expand Pnward to mediocrity again. Let's hope not.
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:08 AM, Green Lightning said: Well the short story is we don't know anything really. We don't know what was offered if anything. All we can do is wait this out. Hindsight is 20-20 but right now we don't know if they even had a serious negotiation. Factors most of us on this board saw the goings-on, trading are starting quarterback, all the Machinations to move up and saw it as a chance to get a franchise quarterback. Right now all that is in question and it could be frustrating if we end up with the quarterbacks we now have on opening day. Expand McShay said he was told the Bills were involved. The picks and the moves made to acquire them point to this, and it's not surprising. If no team in the top of the draft is willing to move to 12, how do you suggest that the Bills " just get a GD QB". Which QB would you take ? At what spot? Or would you try to acquire a QB some other way?
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:04 AM, oldmanfan said: Getting a QB just to get a QB smacks of EJ desperation. Expand I agree, that's why I wanted one of the top three rated quarterbacks in his quarterback rich draft.
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:04 AM, Tatonka68 said: 1. Cleveland - Darnold QB 2. NY Giants - Barkley RB 3. NY Jets - Rosen QB 4. (TRADE) Bills - Allen QB NEVER WANTED ROSEN NOT A MCBEAN PLAYER. I am fine with this and Allen in my opinion will be the next Elway. Expand Have 4 QBs ever been taken at spots 1-4 in the NFL draft? I can't see this happening
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:12 AM, Green Lightning said: I agree, that's why I wanted one of the top three rated quarterbacks in his quarterback rich draft. Expand On 3/18/2018 at 12:12 AM, Green Lightning said: I agree, that's why I wanted one of the top three rated quarterbacks in his quarterback rich draft. Expand And he can get one if he trade up. An an entire day of posts and it still comes down to how Beane feels about these guys. If he feels one is as good as you seem to think, he can move up. If not, he won't
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 12:12 AM, Boatdrinks said: McShay said he was told the Bills were involved. The picks and the moves made to acquire them point to this, and it's not surprising. If no team in the top of the draft is willing to move to 12, how do you suggest that the Bills " just get a GD QB". Which QB would you take ? At what spot? Or would you try to acquire a QB some other way? Expand Wow, the Bills were involved. Nobody has any idea what that means it what was offered. Until we do, it's moot. Maybe there's nothing we could have done, we don't know. But pardon me for not being excited for a year of AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterson.
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