Bangarang Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Did you read the post and understand the point? A 51% passer in college, McCown completed 67% of his passes last season I read it and understood the point. I thought it was funny that you’re using McCown as a point of reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I read it and understood the point. I thought it was funny that you’re using McCown as a point of reference. Why? He's a great example that the "accuracy doesn't improve from college to the NFL" talking point isn't really salient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bangarang Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Why? He's a great example that the "accuracy doesn't improve from college to the NFL" talking point isn't really salient Conpletion percentage by itself isn’t a complete indicator of accuracy. I’ll let you have it though. In general, the point of accuracy not improving a lot from college to the NFL is reasonable if you don’t want to take it so literal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: the point of accuracy not improving a lot from college to the NFL is reasonable if you don’t want to take it so literal. You mean, if you don’t have to back it up with any facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, mannc said: You mean, if you don’t have to back it up with any facts? The amount of players whose accuracy did not improve from college is far greater than those who did. So sure, if you want to use a career backup as an example to prove your point then go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Conpletion percentage by itself isn’t a complete indicator of accuracy. I’ll let you have it though. In general, the point of accuracy not improving a lot from college to the NFL is reasonable if you don’t want to take it so literal. We can't use a metric to knock a kid and then say that the very same metric isn't an indicator when someone presents it in a way that doesn't condemn him to failure 29 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The amount of players whose accuracy did not improve from college is far greater than those who did. So sure, if you want to use a career backup as an example to prove your point then go ahead. Yeah, you're missing the point. I included far more than career backups on many occasions; you chose, like many before you, to dismiss the data that don't support the assertion that Allen is doomed to failure and focus instead on the one name that I threw in as part of my off-the-top-of-my-head listing that can conveniently be categorized (in your opinion) as a detriment to the point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: We can't use a metric to knock a kid and then say that the very same metric isn't an indicator when someone presents it in a way that doesn't condemn him to failure What’s with this “we” stuff? Quote Yeah, you're missing the point. I included far more than career backups on many occasions; you chose, like many before you, to dismiss the data that don't support the assertion that Allen is doomed to failure and focus instead on the one name that I threw in as part of my off-the-top-of-my-head listing that can conveniently be categorized (in your opinion) as a detriment to the point. I’m not dismissing anything and I’m not focusing on anything. I made a one off comment that one of those names is not like the others. You’re acting as though I have a dog in this fight. Edited March 25, 2018 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: We can't use a metric to knock a kid and then say that the very same metric isn't an indicator when someone presents it in a way that doesn't condemn him to failure Yeah, you're missing the point. I included far more than career backups on many occasions; you chose, like many before you, to dismiss the data that don't support the assertion that Allen is doomed to failure and focus instead on the one name that I threw in as part of my off-the-top-of-my-head listing that can conveniently be categorized (in your opinion) as a detriment to the point. I have a simple question, If you were the Browns GM would you take Allen with the number one pick? Yes or No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I have a simple question, If you were the Browns GM would you take Allen with the number one pick? Yes or No No, I'd probably take Rosen since I think he's safer Alleb is my QB4, but I have no problem if a team thinks he's potentially a franchise guy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Anyone have a guess on what type of 40 Jackson is expected to run? I mean if he runs like a 4.3 and throws the ball well, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What’s with this “we” stuff? I’m not dismissing anything and I’m not focusing on anything. I made a one off comment that one of those names is not like the others. You’re acting as though I have a dog in this fight. I'm really only trying to put McCown's inclusion in context Hopefully it doesn't come off as being argumentative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jrober38 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 10 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Except for all of the exceptional plays he's made that nobody else seems to be able to make Meaning no offense: you seem to have this tendency to ignore anything that runs counter to your established position on Allen and state absolutes about him, which is really weird. For example, he's put a great number of outstanding throws on tape that show just how good he can be, but you go on to state that "nothing" shows him to be a good football player. That's hyperbole at best. I also see that you continue to state that QBs don't improve their accuracy in the NFL, which is patently false--and you've been given many examples including Stafford, Matt Ryan, Josh McCown, Carson Palmer Drew Brees, etc. You've got your opinions about the kid and that's fine. Justifiable even. Let's all have a bit of intellectual honesty and acknowledge that it's hardly a position that is supported by all of the relevant data. None of those guys were ever considered inaccurate passers. You seem to keep confusing completion percentage with accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: None of those guys were ever considered inaccurate passers. You seem to keep confusing completion percentage with accuracy. Nope. I know the difference quite readily. It does make a convenient crutch to lean on so that folks don't have to let the "you can't improve accuracy" argument go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 hours ago, thebandit27 said: I'm really only trying to put McCown's inclusion in context Hopefully it doesn't come off as being argumentative You are not only argumentative but you are also pugnacious. I mean it in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Anyone have a guess on what type of 40 Jackson is expected to run? I mean if he runs like a 4.3 and throws the ball well, then what? mid 4.3s, but he says he’s run in the 4.2s. Edited March 26, 2018 by DFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, DFT said: mid 4.3s, but he says he’s run in the 4.2s. Thank you. That is just ridiculous. Intriguing in that second tier based on that alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 12 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Nope. I know the difference quite readily. It does make a convenient crutch to lean on so that folks don't have to let the "you can't improve accuracy" argument go. When has a QB who was describe as having real accuracy problems coming out of college, ever corrected them and become a franchise QB in the NFL? It doesn't happen. Accuracy can be refined and tweaked. It can't be taught from the ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: When has a QB who was describe as having real accuracy problems coming out of college, ever corrected them and become a franchise QB in the NFL? It doesn't happen. Accuracy can be refined and tweaked. It can't be taught from the ground up. Brett Favre Don't tell me that was long ago, he threw the ball a lot If accuracy is a problem due to foot work, then yes, it can be taught from the ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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