Foxx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: This is where we're at as a society in 2018. For decades we've underinvested in education, refused to fire underperforming teachers, and have permitted (through moral relativism and other questionable doctrines) unscientific "beliefs" to compete on an equal playing field against cold, hard, empirical evidence. Now we're saddled with millions of semi-literate voters who will believe anything they semi-read on the internet. The conditions were set up for external manipulation via fake news - whether or not that actually happened/caused a particular result, there is no question that America is, well, just plain stupid, and readily susceptible to "alternative facts" such as "the moon landing was faked" and "the Earth is flat." We've collectively gotten dumber as a society. oh boy. because you should not ever question anything academia (or anyone else for that matter) presents as fact. if that were the case, we all would still think the Earth was flat. no quicker way to the slaughter house than to never question what is fed to you...... Edited February 27, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: oh boy. because you should not ever question anything academia (or anyone else for that matter) presents as fact. if that were the case, we all would still think the Earth was flat. no quicker way to the slaughter house than to never question what is fed to you...... Ok, I’ll bite. When did “academia” ever teach that the world was flat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 academia consists of: the environment or community concerned with the pursuit of research, education, and scholarship. are you under the belief that it was never professed/believed that the Earth was flat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: Ok, I’ll bite. When did “academia” ever teach that the world was flat? Rather, it wasn't taught that the Earth was round till Copernicus' great revelation, as promoted by the church. Yeah, Aristotle and a few others proposed it circa 200 b.c...but it wasn't taught as truth till Copernicus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: academia consists of: the environment or community concerned with the pursuit of research, education, and scholarship. are you under the belief that it was never professed/believed that the Earth was flat? Not by "academia." 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: Rather, it wasn't taught that the Earth was round till Copernicus' great revelation, as promoted by the church. Yeah, Aristotle and a few others proposed it circa 200 b.c...but it wasn't taught as truth till Copernicus. You're confusing "heliocentric solar system" with "spherical earth." And it was PROVEN by 200BCE, and taught as truth thereafter. You're just massively ignorant, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: academia consists of: the environment or community concerned with the pursuit of research, education, and scholarship. are you under the belief that it was never professed/believed that the Earth was flat? It certainly was and is still believed that the earth is flat as this thread sadly illustrates. And some, especially clergy and the ignoran, professed and continue to profess it, certainly. I’m asking when scholars actually taught it in academic settings, since it’s been known, even among the most illiterate of their times, for thousands of years that the earth is spherical. We were taught myths that Columbus’ crew were afraid of falling off the edge of the earth on their voyage but sailors were actually educated on the subject and had been for milenia by 1492. That’s the only reference to the subject of flat earth I can recall from school personally. 9 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Rather, it wasn't taught that the Earth was round till Copernicus' great revelation, as promoted by the church. Yeah, Aristotle and a few others proposed it circa 200 b.c...but it wasn't taught as truth till Copernicus. That’s just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Not by "academia." You're confusing "heliocentric solar system" with "spherical earth." And it was PROVEN by 200BCE, and taught as truth thereafter. You're just massively ignorant, basically. i would beg to differ. i believe there were plenty of scholars that thought and taught that the Earth was flat. as to the heliocentric model, here is a good video that explains that view. Edited February 27, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Foxx said: i would beg to differ. i believe there were plenty of scholars that thought and taught that the Earth was flat. as to the heliocentric model, here is a good video that explains that view. You would be wrong. Again: your second grade teacher LIED TO YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: It certainly was and is still believed that the earth is flat as this thread sadly illustrates. And some, especially clergy and the ignoran, professed and continue to profess it, certainly. I’m asking when scholars actually taught it in academic settings, since it’s been known, even among the most illiterate of their times, for thousands of years that the earth is spherical. We were taught myths that Columbus’ crew were afraid of falling off the edge of the earth on their voyage but sailors were actually educated on the subject and had been for milenia by 1492. That’s the only reference to the subject of flat earth I can recall from school personally. That’s just wrong. Umm..no, its not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You would be wrong. Again: your second grade teacher LIED TO YOU. so... the Pontifical Academy never taught that the Earth was flat, even though scripture seems to explicitly imply that it is/was? Edited February 27, 2018 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Foxx said: i would beg to differ. i believe there were plenty of scholars that thought and taught that the Earth was flat. as to the heliocentric model, here is a good video that explains that view. In fact, there are still to this day scholars teaching a flat earth. Just show me 2 pictures of earth that are the same, and i'll never question it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: You would be wrong. Again: your second grade teacher LIED TO YOU. further, and to be even more specific, research Lactantius or Cosmas Indicopleustes, Severian of Gabala, Theodore of Mopsuestia, and Diodore of Tarsus.. Edited February 27, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Umm..no, its not What’s not? Flat earth nut jobs aren’t professing their beliefs today or didn’t in the past? What’s not, exactly? Be specific; at least to the degree you are able. Like I said earlier, you are either a troll or woefully and willfully ignorant. Either way, you aren’t capable of reasoned dialog, let alone learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Foxx said: further, and to be even more specific, research Lactantius , Cosmas Indicopleustes, Severian of Gabala, Theodore of Mopsuestia, and Diodore of Tarsus. Were not scholars, they were obscure theologians that no academics took seriously. Except for Diodorous...but there's absolutely no direct evidence that he believed in a flat Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 17 hours ago, BuffAlone said: 500 bce? YOU are the ignorant one, sir. They debated because they pondered how they could change the truth to further advance their own agenda. Hence the Bible states, God created the firmament to seperate the waters Above, AND Below the Earth. Van Allen asteroid belt? Sorry, I meant to say Van Allen radiation belt, which even Armstrong and Aldrin claim humans cannot penetrate. Its a firmament P.s....dont be calling me an idiot you old, uneducated !@#$. Regardless of our difference of opinion. Also, look at any pucture of earth from space over the last 40 years. Not ONE look the same. Why? Because they are artist renditions! Do homework and come back. For the record, im not sold on it. But im certainly not obtuse like you. Im open to ALL evidence to make my OWN opinion. Dick Hey look everyone, we have our very own flat-earther here at TBD! ?? (just messin with ya) but seriously, the earth is absolutely, 100% without a doubt not flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: In fact, there are still to this day scholars teaching a flat earth. Just show me 2 pictures of earth that are the same, and i'll never question it again FFS, given the ever-changing face of the earth from outer space due to its continuous atmospheric changes, you should be MORE suspicious of two exactly alike images. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: In fact, there are still to this day scholars teaching a flat earth. Just show me 2 pictures of earth that are the same, and i'll never question it again The earth changes all the time, second by second and minute by minute. This is your evidence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: The earth changes all the time, second by second and minute by minute. This is your evidence? The world is flat, because...clouds! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Hey look everyone, we have our very own flat-earther here at TBD! ?? (just messin with ya) but seriously, the earth is absolutely, 100% without a doubt not flat. It's bizarre to me that in 2018, there are flat earthers. Just now, DC Tom said: The world is flat, because...clouds! Correct me if I'm wrong but if the earth was flat, there wouldn't be a north or south pole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Pilsner said: As much as I respect DC Tom, I will have to veer towards your viewpoint BuffAlone on this topic over what the majority is espousing. I am not a true earther (although I have been researching the subject) and I am not a globalist. I am in search of the truth. Since I now believe that God exists, why can't there be the possibility of a form of earth that does not fit the standard issue narrative? I don't believe we ever made it to the moon. I will not go into detail as to why I believe this at this time but anyone who puts some time into researching this should come to a similar conclusion as I have made. I often times look at the moon. If for example you were inclined to hold up a balloon in your living room with all lights turned off and have a family member shine a flashlight at said balloon, what would you see? Some light reflected off of the balloon obviously but it would be hard to ignore the brightest of the light being reflected off of the center. Now if the moon was a sphere, wouldn't it reflect the sun's light in the same manner? But it does not. The moon 'reflects' light as if it were a round, flat object. You might as well hold up a round piece of paper and shine light on it. This should cause any person who pays some attention to this to go... hmmm.... The next time you have a nice view of the moon, go take a gander. edit: Argh, it pains me to even for a split second think a similar thought to Geno. Argh! Dude, you can observe that the moon is spherical, or technically an oblate spheroid, with a telescope. Or even with the naked eye. During a a solar eclipse, the suns shadow is always nearly circular. The only geometric object that can yield a near-circular eclipse in any orientation is a spheroid. The terminator of the moon (the boundary between the day side and night side) is ALWAYS arc shaped as observed from earth. Only spheroids can show such an edge in any orientation. Knowing that the moon also rotates/spins, how would we never see the flat edge? Just the fact alone that it looks looks like a disc from any viewing angle/point in orbit proves that it's a spheroid. 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's bizarre to me that in 2018, there are flat earthers. Correct me if I'm wrong but if the earth was flat, there wouldn't be a north or south pole? I am absolutely blown away by this man. You have to disregard sooooooooooooo much science and information to believe the earth is flat, it just blows my mind to think about. Edited February 27, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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