JohnC Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Gunner, Great job and very plausible. I still strongly disagree with you regarding what the Giants will do that will influence our draft. It makes no sense for them not to draft Rosen. Even if they stick with Eli for another year it is more unlikely than likely that they wouldin the future be in a position to draft such a highly rated prospect. If Rosen and Darnold are off the board will the Bills trade up with the Colts to draft Mayfield? I would but not sure they would for Mayfield. If the Bills can't work out a deal I see them staying pat and drafting Rudolph with one of their first round picks. That wouldn't be a bad fallback position because they would be able to address some other needs. As you projected Rudolph going to Pittsburgh does make a lot of sense. Smart teams organizations make arrangements to replace a qb before they are in a dire need. Again, great job. Very thought provoking draft.
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2018 Author Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:06 PM, Kirby Jackson said: his quirky (outspoken) personality Expand He is an atheist who dislikes Trump.... two huge ticks in the box if I was evaluating on personality (I am not). 2 1
JohnC Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:06 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Rosen question for anyone, who is the last prospect that threw the ball as well as him? Stafford maybe? I think that he is a more natural thrower than Luck. Rosen has some questions with health and his quirky (outspoken) personality but as a passer he is elite IMO. Expand He reminds me of Marino with his natural and beautiful throwing motion. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:18 PM, GunnerBill said: He is an atheist who dislikes Trump.... two huge ticks in the box if I was evaluating on personality (I am not). Expand I always use “quirky” so that it doesn’t stem off into a PPP thread. He’s a bright guy.
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2018 Author Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:28 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I always use “quirky” so that it doesn’t stem off into a PPP thread. He’s a bright guy. Expand I know I couldn't resist a little tongue in cheek response though. I quite like his personality from what I have read but there is no way you and I can get as much sense as to what he is really like compared to teams. Beyond how does he behave on the field and in pressure situations does he appear to lead and be in control I am not sure fans as removed from things as us can really get a sense for the person themselves.
die hard bills fan Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Would be very, very happy if this happened.
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:30 PM, GunnerBill said: I know I couldn't resist a little tongue in cheek response though. I quite like his personality from what I have read but there is no way you and I can get as much sense as to what he is really like compared to teams. Beyond how does he behave on the field and in pressure situations does he appear to lead and be in control I am not sure fans as removed from things as us can really get a sense for the person themselves. Expand As others have mentioned, we have his LT from 2015-2016 on the team so that will be good insight
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:30 PM, GunnerBill said: I know I couldn't resist a little tongue in cheek response though. I quite like his personality from what I have read but there is no way you and I can get as much sense as to what he is really like compared to teams. Beyond how does he behave on the field and in pressure situations does he appear to lead and be in control I am not sure fans as removed from things as us can really get a sense for the person themselves. Expand Rosen has been my guy since before the last draft so you know I’m good with it. He has a high floor and high ceiling IMO. If you are making that investment in a guy you have to make sure that they are “bust-proof.” Rosen is that to me. His downside is a solid NFL starter.
Royale with Cheese Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:35 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Rosen has been my guy since before the last draft so you know I’m good with it. He has a high floor and high ceiling IMO. If you are making that investment in a guy you have to make sure that they are “bust-proof.” Rosen is that to me. His downside is a solid NFL starter. Expand You think he's a plug and play guy as a rookie or sitting a year would be good?
MAJBobby Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 12:33 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said: I just can't understand why we would trade up for a QB that already has a concussion history plus a nerve issue in his elbow and problems with his shoulder . Rosen is damaged goods . HOW DO PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS? Expand Then the combine will point all this out wont it?
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:36 PM, Royale with Cheese said: You think he's a plug and play guy as a rookie or sitting a year would be good? Expand Plug and play (Baker too)...it will be telling to me as to the vet that they add prior. If they keep Tyrod or get a Bradford I would think that indicates that they may not think that Baker or Rosen is likely. Allen & Jackson need a full year IMO and Darnold and Rudolph half a year. If the Bills get a vet like Fitz, or Moore, or Anderson it will indicate that they think they can get a guy ready to play day 1. 1
JohnC Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) On 2/19/2018 at 2:36 PM, Royale with Cheese said: You think he's a plug and play guy as a rookie or sitting a year would be good? Expand I know you addressed this to Kirby but I'll give you my unsolicited opinion: The answer is yes. He not only knows the playbook but also the concepts. Trent Dilfer ran an elite qb summer camp. It is a tough camp with highly competitive players. He has stated that Rosen had a better grasp of the playbook and concepts than any other player has exhibited. He said that the student qb showed him things that he didn't know. Edited February 19, 2018 by JohnC 4
Coach Tuesday Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Am I the only one who sees a hitch in Rosen’s throwing motion? He pats the ball before throwing it.
Royale with Cheese Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 2:42 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Plug and play (Baker too)...it will be telling to me as to the vet that they add prior. If they keep Tyrod or get a Bradford I would think that indicates that they may not think that Baker or Rosen is likely. Allen & Jackson need a full year IMO and Darnold and Rudolph half a year. If the Bills get a vet like Fitz, or Moore, or Anderson it will indicate that they think they can get a guy ready to play day 1. Expand I actually thought about this over the weekend. Is Fitz a real possibility to come back? I wonder if he'll have to give Joe Webb $20,000 to get his #14 back? On 2/19/2018 at 2:53 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Am I the only one who sees a hitch in Rosen’s throwing motion? He pats the ball before throwing it. Expand I did. John Elway used to do the same thing.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) On 2/19/2018 at 2:56 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I actually thought about this over the weekend. Is Fitz a real possibility to come back? I wonder if he'll have to give Joe Webb $20,000 to get his #14 back? Expand He makes some sense to me (assuming Rosen is the plan). He’s a heady vet that can play for a few weeks if necessary. I just wouldn’t want him to play a whole season. He would probably have to buy that jersey from Webb. Ha ha, he can afford it. On a side note did you know that he went to Harvard?!? Edited February 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) On 2/19/2018 at 2:56 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I actually thought about this over the weekend. Is Fitz a real possibility to come back? I wonder if he'll have to give Joe Webb $20,000 to get his #14 back? I did. John Elway used to do the same thing. Expand Take it fwiw but someone posted on twitter that he heard from someone close to Fitz that he (or his agent) had talked with McBeane about returning in a backup role. Edited February 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio 4
Royale with Cheese Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 3:03 PM, YoloinOhio said: Take it fwiw but someone posted on twitter that he heard from someone close to Fitz that he (or his agent) had talked with McBeane about returning in a backup role. Expand If he does sign here, do you think that pushes Peterman to PS?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 11:03 AM, GunnerBill said: 3. TRADE! Bills - Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA (Bills get #3 & 6th Rounder; Colts get #21, #22, #53, 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder) There are two teams in this draft publicly making noises about being aggressive at QB. The first of those, the Buffalo Bills, swing and swing big to take a shot on Josh Rosen. They are clearly ready to move on from Tyrod Taylor and hope to finally end 22 years of searching for the heir to Jim Kelly. Expand That is just too much imo. Beane said he won't over pay - #1 and #53 (since we have or should have 2 one's and 2 two's) Ask Frank for a home town discount j/k
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 3:04 PM, Royale with Cheese said: If he does sign here, do you think that pushes Peterman to PS? Expand Or they keep 3 and one is inactive on Gameday 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 3:09 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: That is just too much imo. Beane said he won't over pay - #1 and #53 (since we have or should have 2 one's and 2 two's) Ask Frank for a home town discount j/k Expand That’s a realistic look at what it will cost based on the updated draft value chart.
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