thebug Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Just Jack said: International waters, and the ship not a registered US ship, anything goes. True, but not good for business..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Just Jack said: International waters, and the ship not a registered US ship, anything goes. Even to an extent in US waters... Shipping companies get away with a lot... Running to different States. Notice where many choose to register in US or world. They choose the most lax. Here... A vessel gets into trouble, say an allision (different than collision, allision is hitting a stationary object) with a bridge... The company has to post possibly 10s of millions in bond. In old days, they would run to another state, change name of vessel and re-register. A bit off topic here (you know me )... But to pull it back on topic, maybe they should do something like this with international laws, rules? Pony up a LARGE chunk of change to cover when crap hits the fan? Would shipping companies handle their business, cargo, passengers, safety better if they had less place to hide & more skin in game? 51 minutes ago, thebug said: True, but not good for business..... They don't care. I take it's like the opioid drug dealers and big pharm killing off their customers. $$$$ flows always another on hook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Even to an extent in US waters... Shipping companies get away with a lot... Running to different States. Notice where many choose to register in US or world. They choose the most lax. Here... A vessel gets into trouble, say an allision (different than collision, allision is hitting a stationary object) with a bridge... The company has to post possibly 10s of millions in bond. In old days, they would run to another state, change name of vessel and re-register. A bit off topic here (you know me )... But to pull it back on topic, maybe they should do something like this with international laws, rules? Pony up a LARGE chunk of change to cover when crap hits the fan? Would shipping companies handle their business, cargo, passengers, safety better if they had less place to hide & more skin in game? They don't care. I take it's like the opioid drug dealers and big pharm killing off their customers. $$$$ flows always another on hook. The scam is called "Flag of Convenience." International shippers have used the scam for years, thus the amount of ships flagged in Liberia. It has spread to airlines as well. Norwegian Air is a perfect example . Designed for no other reason than to be a flag of convenience carrier to avoid various labor laws in various countries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 This whole thing is somehow a big deal? Never seen a fight before? The article calls it a BLOODBATH. lol One dude has bruises and another one had a small head wound. Who hasn't seen bigger bloodbath's back in friggin high school and way, way worse fights in public bars even church beer tents? When you mix heavy drinking and heavy partying with strangers - inevitably this occurs. It is to be somewhat expected I would think. Are people on that cruise unfamiliar with reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, sherpa said: The scam is called "Flag of Convenience." International shippers have used the scam for years, thus the amount of ships flagged in Liberia. It has spread to airlines as well. Norwegian Air is a perfect example . Designed for no other reason than to be a flag of convenience carrier to avoid various labor laws in various countries. Right. It is the reason cruises always include at least one foreign port as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I bet they ran out of ice cream. That can make people cranky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 2:22 PM, mead107 said: Was cgf on that cruise? Carnival yes but not that ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Who the hell did they hire for security? Antifa???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 They should've forced them to walk the plank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 19 hours ago, PolishDave said: This whole thing is somehow a big deal? Never seen a fight before? The article calls it a BLOODBATH. lol One dude has bruises and another one had a small head wound. Who hasn't seen bigger bloodbath's back in friggin high school and way, way worse fights in public bars even church beer tents? When you mix heavy drinking and heavy partying with strangers - inevitably this occurs. It is to be somewhat expected I would think. Are people on that cruise unfamiliar with reality? there are some fights on ships, usually one on one. The discussions on this was that these Outback Billies were itching for trouble the moment they stepped on board. 17 hours ago, CowgirlsFan said: Carnival yes but not that ship. also talked about .... Carnival - Cruise line had sick passengers for eight straight trips: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 10 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: also talked about .... Carnival - Cruise line had sick passengers for eight straight trips: So avoid Carnival for cruising and United for flying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 MIL saw this on the news today in the Toronto region and her and her friend immediately called and canceled their trips for March. Quick 20 grand loss for them for sure. Booking with another company. Not that it can’t happen on another one, but this looks bad for 68 year old women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 12:25 PM, sherpa said: The scam is called "Flag of Convenience." International shippers have used the scam for years, thus the amount of ships flagged in Liberia. It has spread to airlines as well. Norwegian Air is a perfect example . Designed for no other reason than to be a flag of convenience carrier to avoid various labor laws in various countries. Someone from the US Navy (or ex-Navy, anyhow) once mocked the Liberian-flagged American ships. I forget what the conversation was about, but it turned to ships registering out of foreign countries to avoid taxes, fees and labor standards. He said something to the effect of, "if the ship gets into trouble, do you think the Liberian Navy is going to go rescue it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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