If Darnold doesn’t go #1

[FearLess Price]

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Rosen should be the top QB off the board come draft day.

 

I think he said he didnt wanna play there. 

 

The Browns could always trade out of #1 to a team going full Ditka on Rosen.

 

Link

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-2018-nfl-draft-doesnt-want-to-play-for-browns-prefers-giants/10evc0o70y39g1qbnprje4myd8

 

 

The Browns will take Mayfield Darnold or Allen with their 1st QB pick.

 

Or

 

Browns take the RB Barkley with # 1 and take whatever QB is left at #4

 

Or

 

Browns trade out of #1 and take a top QB at #4 or vice versa. 

 

 

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

or ever will want to.

 

Were changing the culture now. We keep pushing into the playoffs while we build a winner well be good again. Draft our QB and build from the ground up at that position.

 

Give us a few years well have our own DT, Emmanuel Sanders, Booker, and CJ Anderson line up here.

 

 

Players will want to come here when we are perrenial contenders.

[yungmack]

If Darnold doesn't go #1, the Browns should be closed by the league office.

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Darnold is a good maybe very good QB prospect, but if you think you want to trade 21, 22 and at least another high pick for him, go watch his USC vs Notre Dame game last season.  I did not see him come remotely close to carrying USC in that game.  I get that it was only one game, but if you are giving up a great deal to get him, I think you are hoping that he can carry your offense.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to have him for a reasonable price - heck I'd be happy with a QB that at least gives you a chance to win in most situation - it has been a long time since the Bills have had that.  

 

I am not opposed to trading up to secure a QB prospect in this draft.  I can even see the argument to trade 21 and 22 to move up for the right prospect, but I really am leery of giving up more than that.  Unfortunately, I don't think that is enough to get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield.  I might be content to 21 and a 2nd to move up a little and take Jackson or Rudolph and still have pick 22 left.    I am also not as down on Josh Allen as many here?  

 

I haven't watched as many games as some here, but I think that both Jackson and Rudolph are better than they are generally being given credit for.

The game with 11 starters out and three 3rd stringers on the O line?

[yungmack]

29 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Rosen should be the top QB off the board come draft day.

Too fragile, a slight frame, frequently and easily injured. Pass.

[OldTimer1960]

10 minutes ago, yungmack said:

If Darnold doesn't go #1, the Browns should be closed by the league office.

The game with 11 starters out and three 3rd stringers on the O line?

Extenuating circumstances for sure, but surely USC 3rd stringers are still better than the talent Josh Allen played with.  

 

Please don’t think I am trying to argue that Allen is a better prospect, but if Darnold gets a pass for that game, you have to at least consider giving Allen some credit for hanging in with what he had to work with.

[8-8 Forever?]

15 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Darnold is the ONLY QB worthy of a trade up. Not Rosen, Mayfield or Allen. But a lot will change after the combine.  I'd still consider Rudolph and the best DT at 21/22.

Darnold has top 10 arm talent, and that includes the NFL.   He is pretty special player.  They won't get him, but he should be very good in the NFL.  

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, FearLess Price said:

 

I don't think any QB wants to come here.

 

 

 

I think you have it all wrong and are possibly thinking about how players used to think of Buffalo with the first owner. This franchise is not even close to what it was with the last owner even though he did sign Mario for 100 million. With Wilson, you needed to overpay to bring some elite players to Buffalo.

 

Making the playoffs this past year will be huge with players thinking of now coming to this city. Yes, it's a small market and so is Green Bay! Buffalo is not Cleveland which has never even been to a super bowl. Think of it, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, and Jacksonville have never been to a super bowl. Cleveland just went 0-16 to tie Detroit for the worst record ever and hasn't had a winning record in 10 years. Head coach Hue Jackson is 1-31 at Cleveland over two seasons and how the guy kept his job this year is beyond me. 

 

 

Going back to the OP post. I might be in the minority here but I feel giving up so many draft picks to get one of the first two QBs might be a fool's errand simply because they all have warts. None of these players are graded to the level of an Andrew Luck.

 

Darnold, with his (11) turnovers it leads to concern about hand size and how well will he play in cold weather!

Rosen, his durability with his shoulder, concussions and his personality as teams will really want to spend a lot of time talking to him. 

Mayfield, with his height issue and it didn't help to see ball batted down at the line in the senior bowl. Plus, he has some character issues.  

Allen has the highest upside with a rare combination of size, arm strength and athletic ability. BUT, he has some question marks in his poor play against top competition. He did play on a bad team last season and his receivers dropped a lot of balls. His play in the senior bowl really knocked down a lot of the bad marks against him.

 

Now, Mel Kiper has Josh Allen going #1 overall to Cleveland and Todd McShay has Darnold #1, Rosen #2 to the Giants, Mayfield #5 to Denver, Allen #6 to the Jets.

Should the NY Giants go QB with that 2nd pick I think it kills this entire discussion. Buffalo might need to trade up with Indy #3 or Cleveland #4 to get Allen or Mayfield. 

[FearLess Price]

9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

 

 

Now, Mel Kiper has Josh Allen going #1 overall to Cleveland and Todd McShay has Darnold #1, Rosen #2 to the Giants, Mayfield #5 to Denver, Allen #6 to the Jets.

Should the NY Giants go QB with that 2nd pick I think it kills this entire discussion. Buffalo might need to trade up with Indy #3 or Cleveland #4 to get Allen or Mayfield. 

 

 

Right.  One team trading up for a QB could cause a bidding war to move up

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Yeah Rosen doesn't want to come here. People tend to view things in a light that confirms their personal feelings. This is a Bills board and most of the people live in NY, so when they hear people speak negatively about the town they think it's illogical and get offended, but weather and being a smaller market matters to people, especially "me first" players whose goal is to become famous. 

 

You're entitled to your opinion and that opinion is wrong. This is the mentality that kept us out of the playoffs for 17 years. 

And that is your opinion  

 

I think no one is wrong when considering possibilities.

[RochesterRob]

2 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Three first and Glenn could get it done.  It is a lot but the way they are talking about Glenn he doesn't factor into the long term plans.  

look at It like this over the course of the three drafts your get a top notch corner and a potential Franchise qb.  A lot of team would have less to show for three first rounder's

What I think will happened is The Broncos move to number 2 then the Jets move to number 3 .  Allen and Rudolph fall until the Cards or Bills make a move or wait.  

If one of the playoff team with an older vet or Bortles might want to trade up to 21 which would be interesting choice for the Bills  

  There is already media speculation, namely CBS Sports, about Denver moving up.  Their cost to move up a few spots will be far less than us so they could afford to play a bidding war.  Buffalo is not in a position to give up a half dozen picks or players.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, White Linen said:

 

or ever will want to.

Not ever.

 The Curse lives

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  There is already media speculation, namely CBS Sports, about Denver moving up.  Their cost to move up a few spots will be far less than us so they could afford to play a bidding war.  Buffalo is not in a position to give up a half dozen picks or players.

would not be surprised with Elway having a seeming lack of success so far ?
we are not likely to bid into the single digits. My opinion

[Fadingpain]

15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Honest question... why isn't Mayfield the best of this bunch?

 

Is it height? He's still 6'1"... his behavior? McDermott seems like a coach who can channel that visceral competitive moxy... so what is it?

 

Mayfield please. He excites me the most. Then Darnold.

He is listed as 6'1" but the consensus is that this is totally distorted.

 

The popular guess is that he is 5'11" maximum.  People are anxious to measure his real height at the combine.

 

I think some people DO consider him the #1 prospect in the draft.  Darnold did not progress this last college season the way he should have and I think his stock has fallen as a result.  Still others may regard him as #1.

 

It will be interesting to see how the pecking order plays out on draft day.

 

The Bills need to do what it takes to get up there and grab one of the good guys.  Stop screwing around!

 

 

[RochesterRob]

15 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Not ever.

 The Curse lives

would not be surprised with Elway having a seeming lack of success so far ?
we are not likely to bid into the single digits. My opinion

  I would guess as everybody puts their cards on the table regarding their intentions that it will cost 6-7 high picks to get up to 2 or 3.  Subtract one 2nd round type pick if Glenn is worked in.  

[PBLESS]

15 hours ago, KingRex said:

It makes far more sense to this football fan for the Bills to follow the Pitts model they used to build a team and then go after a QB (who turned out to be Big Ben to win an SB.  Look, we have one of the oldest rosters in the NFL and now having to find a stud center, it seems even more obvious to  use the 2- 1st rounders and 2 nd rounders to rebuild this TEAM rather than invest all resources to put a formula 1 engine in our VW bug team.

 

Trading up for the next Andrew Luck (or worse the next Ryan Leaf) would be a disaster for this team.

I also feel that we need to fill all those empty holes while we have the draft choices to do it. If we could field a well coached team with a strong defense and an offense tht can run the ball we don't need to give up a bunch of picks for a qb who could easily turn out to be another Losman or Manuel. Another consideration is that a bunch of rookie contracts for players filling those empty holes will give us the cap space to grab a proven free agent gb a yr down the road. 

[oldmanfan]

3 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

Youre being a homer and thats cool.

 

Cousins and Beane? Based on what? Common interests?

 

If you want to win you go to the team you think gives you the best pieces to win with. 

 

Guarantee you Cousins doesnt come here. Without using my "inside sources" and #HLBMs.

 

Cousins and McD is what I wrote.  You need to actually read what posters write before criticizing.  Read the si article and you'll see how he and McD would be a great match.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

He is listed as 6'1" but the consensus is that this is totally distorted.

 

The popular guess is that he is 5'11" maximum.  People are anxious to measure his real height at the combine.

 

I think some people DO consider him the #1 prospect in the draft.  Darnold did not progress this last college season the way he should have and I think his stock has fallen as a result.  Still others may regard him as #1.

 

It will be interesting to see how the pecking order plays out on draft day.

 

The Bills need to do what it takes to get up there and grab one of the good guys.  Stop screwing around!

 

 

 

He was measured at the senior bowl.

 

6'1"

 

not 5'11"

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

He was measured at the senior bowl.

 

6'1"

 

not 5'11"

 

6' 3/8" to be exact. 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

6' 3/8" to be exact. 

 

My bad

[SouthNYfan]

4 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I think you have it all wrong and are possibly thinking about how players used to think of Buffalo with the first owner. This franchise is not even close to what it was with the last owner even though he did sign Mario for 100 million. With Wilson, you needed to overpay to bring some elite players to Buffalo.

 

Making the playoffs this past year will be huge with players thinking of now coming to this city. Yes, it's a small market and so is Green Bay! Buffalo is not Cleveland which has never even been to a super bowl. Think of it, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, and Jacksonville have never been to a super bowl. Cleveland just went 0-16 to tie Detroit for the worst record ever and hasn't had a winning record in 10 years. Head coach Hue Jackson is 1-31 at Cleveland over two seasons and how the guy kept his job this year is beyond me. 

 

 

Going back to the OP post. I might be in the minority here but I feel giving up so many draft picks to get one of the first two QBs might be a fool's errand simply because they all have warts. None of these players are graded to the level of an Andrew Luck.

 

Darnold, with his (11) turnovers it leads to concern about hand size and how well will he play in cold weather!

Rosen, his durability with his shoulder, concussions and his personality as teams will really want to spend a lot of time talking to him. 

Mayfield, with his height issue and it didn't help to see ball batted down at the line in the senior bowl. Plus, he has some character issues.  

Allen has the highest upside with a rare combination of size, arm strength and athletic ability. BUT, he has some question marks in his poor play against top competition. He did play on a bad team last season and his receivers dropped a lot of balls. His play in the senior bowl really knocked down a lot of the bad marks against him.

 

Now, Mel Kiper has Josh Allen going #1 overall to Cleveland and Todd McShay has Darnold #1, Rosen #2 to the Giants, Mayfield #5 to Denver, Allen #6 to the Jets.

Should the NY Giants go QB with that 2nd pick I think it kills this entire discussion. Buffalo might need to trade up with Indy #3 or Cleveland #4 to get Allen or Mayfield. 

 

Sure changed the perception of the Browns after they made the playoffs in 2002.

Dudes were kicking down the door to sign there.

[JaCrispy]

3 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  I would guess as everybody puts their cards on the table regarding their intentions that it will cost 6-7 high picks to get up to 2 or 3.  Subtract one 2nd round type pick if Glenn is worked in.  

Cocaine’s a hell of a drug 

Edited February 11, 2018 by JaCrispy

[Nihilarian]

30 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Sure changed the perception of the Browns after they made the playoffs in 2002.

Dudes were kicking down the door to sign there.

Cleveland is on a level all to themselves as no player usually ever wants to play there anymore. That team hasn't been relevant since the 1980s and Marty Schottenheimer.

 

In the past under the late owner Ralph Wilson, the FO couldn't even get certain coaches to even interview with the team much less coach in Buffalo. That was as little ago as in this past decade. In the 1970's Buffalo got a national bad rep for bad air, bad weather, no jobs and most of all the love canal. The way Wilson got Chuck Knox to coach in Buffalo was to make him one of the highest paid in the league. Most of that is now forgotten.

 

Most everything bad from the past has changed with new ownership and most of the today's players don't care about a small market as they would rather live in a family atmosphere over a party town. The only thing that players would now think twice about playing in Buffalo is the weather and if you ask any of the 90's Bills players they relished playing in the snow in Nov, Dec, Jan.         

 

Right now with this coaching staff, owner this team is more enticing than Bills fans think. I think Cousins would pick Buffalo over the NY Jets, Denver, and Arizona as those coaching staffs didn't have a winning season in 2017. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Nihilarian