Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: (...) They are both a hard pass for me. Having said that, I would still take Brokeford over Brokewater, even with the fact that he's had: -two throwing shoulder AC joint sprains (missing 4 then 11 games) -three minor ankle sprains to the same ankle, which he rushed back from them, just making them worse (missing 6, 1, and 3 games) -two ACL full tears on the same knee, back to back years (9 and 16 games) -diagnosed concussion (2 games) -separated AC joint again (2 games) -knee swelling and scope on the previously torn twice ACL knee (missed whole season, but that was due to keenum not knee, he would have played if need be) Yes, I'd still trust his knee over Bridgewater. Ugh. Spelling out the history on Bradford like that makes me want to stay far, far away. I live in St Louis and remember the high hopes that were pinned on Bradford only to shred like his knee ligaments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, RobH063 said: Yes we will 26 but to be fair, so is every other person in this thread. Some assume he would be a good option and others don't based on what we think we know about the guys health and prior play. It doesn't make your opinion right nor does it make mine right. It makes them different. A thorough medical examination would be in order before signing him to a contract. No doubt about that. Again, we'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You examined him or are privy to his medical records? No. The specific injury he sustained. I have seen it twice clinically. It's a mess. Do a little research on the injury he sustained. He's a massive risk, even short term. You sign him as a starter to bridge to the young guy you draft, then his knee explodes three games in, and you're throwing your rookie to the wolves and there goes the plan. No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: No. The specific injury he sustained. I have seen it twice clinically. It's a mess. Do a little research on the injury he sustained. He's a massive risk, even short term. You sign him as a starter to bridge to the young guy you draft, then his knee explodes three games in, and you're throwing your rookie to the wolves and there goes the plan. No thanks. I have and if he was that big of a risk there's no way the Vikings would have activated him from PUP this year with him being one play away from game action as the backup QB to Keenum. I get that you're going on general information based on injury type, but every case is different. We'll see what the future holds for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I have and if he was that big of a risk there's no way the Vikings would have activated him from PUP this year with him being one play away from game action as the backup QB to Keenum. I get that you're going on general information based on injury type, but every case is different. We'll see what the future holds for him. I dunno. The Redskins let rgiii play with no LCL and limping. Grant Hill was supposedly in litigation with the Pistons former doctors over clearing him to play after his career altering ankle injury. There are massive lawsuits and such regarding concussions and having guys being cleared when they shouldn't. I know every injury is different. His injury, regardless of that, was severe, period, there is no such thing as a "minor dislocation" with a knee. There is severe, more severe, and amputation. That's pretty much it. I think it's not a risk worth taking due to the mechanics of that injury. If you think otherwise you either: A) didn't do much research on that Or B) are cool with that high risk Based on how you're down playing it, and saying "let the docs see" etc I'm going to say it's probably A. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: A thorough medical examination would be in order before signing him to a contract. No doubt about that. Again, we'll see what happens. And how do you feel about the past track record of the Bills "thorough medical examinations" pre signing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ugh. Spelling out the history on Bradford like that makes me want to stay far, far away. I live in St Louis and remember the high hopes that were pinned on Bradford only to shred like his knee ligaments. I know! That's my point. Bradford's multiple knee issues is still less traumatic than Bridgewater. I don't want either. If forced to choose, I'd still takes Brad based on my professional knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: I dunno. The Redskins let rgiii play with no LCL and limping. Grant Hill was supposedly in litigation with the Pistons former doctors over clearing him to play after his career altering ankle injury. There are massive lawsuits and such regarding concussions and having guys being cleared when they shouldn't. I know every injury is different. His injury, regardless of that, was severe, period, there is no such thing as a "minor dislocation" with a knee. There is severe, more severe, and amputation. That's pretty much it. I think it's not a risk worth taking due to the mechanics of that injury. If you think otherwise you either: A) didn't do much research on that Or B) are cool with that high risk Based on how you're down playing it, and saying "let the docs see" etc I'm going to say it's probably A. What Washington did in-season with RGIII vs. what happened with Bridgewater after more than one year away are two completely different scenarios. I have no idea why you'd even bring it up as it isn't comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I have and if he was that big of a risk there's no way the Vikings would have activated him from PUP this year with him being one play away from game action as the backup QB to Keenum. I get that you're going on general information based on injury type, but every case is different. We'll see what the future holds for him. CornerBlitz, I think it might be worth noting that in the game that really really counted - the playoff game - Bradford was the backup and Bridgewater a "healthy" scratch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What Washington did in-season with RGIII vs. what happened with Bridgewater after more than one year away are two completely different scenarios. I have no idea why you'd even bring it up as it isn't comparable. Actually it is. Team doctors cleared a guy to play who they shouldn't have. This happens all the time. Your assertion that "because Minnesota cleared him he's okay" is contradictory to track records of team doctors, rgiii was a perfect example. Feel free to ignore the rest of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What Washington did in-season with RGIII vs. what happened with Bridgewater after more than one year away are two completely different scenarios. I have no idea why you'd even bring it up as it isn't comparable. I think the point trying to be made is that in general, team physicians and trainers will make decisions regarding whether or not someone can play that benefit the team, not the player, not to claim the situations are analogous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And how do you feel about the past track record of the Bills "thorough medical examinations" pre signing? If they're interested and clear him, then so be it. Every NFL team with interest will want to see firsthand where he is. 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: CornerBlitz, I think it might be worth noting that in the game that really really counted - the playoff game - Bradford was the backup and Bridgewater a "healthy" scratch. I am aware of that. Bridgewater hasn't played any meaningful football since 2015 while Bradford played this season. The move made perfect since to me. Edited January 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: CornerBlitz, I think it might be worth noting that in the game that really really counted - the playoff game - Bradford was the backup and Bridgewater a "healthy" scratch. He wants Bridgewater. That's all that he cares about. He's choosing to downplay facts regarding the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: He wants Bridgewater. That's all that he cares about. He's choosing to downplay facts regarding the injury. Not necessarily, but I'm not discounting the possibility just because of the injury he sustained. I see him as an option even with the associated risk. You don't and that's fine. 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the point trying to be made is that in general, team physicians and trainers will make decisions regarding whether or not someone can play that benefit the team, not the player, not to claim the situations are analogous. That does happen quite frequently as everyone knows, but the Vikings exercised due care with Bridgewater by placing him on PUP to begin the season and waiting until November to activate him after assessing where he was with recovery and watching him practice for a number of weeks. Throwing out some blanket statement doesn't fly upon a closer examination. Edited January 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 14 hours ago, CDogg20 said: Bridgewater is Tyrod. Pass. The endless comparisons of QBs like Tyrod and Lamar Jackson and Teddy Bridgewater need to end. Being mobile and black is not the end all be all of their evaluations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 pages on Bridgewater? Off season is horrible... He's not good. He was Tyrod before his injury, without the rushing stats (already covered). How our memories fades w/ time. Bradford is a solid pass too. His knee is toast and it'll only be a matter of time (if he plays), before he's injured again. It's obviously all speculation. Pickings are slim and none of the options appear to be that great, unless they make a deal for a QB already on someone's roster (non-FA). Let's hope someone doesn't start up a lets give EJ another try thread. I'm sure someone has some stats to prove he's a viable option at starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The endless comparisons of QBs like Tyrod and Lamar Jackson and Teddy Bridgewater need to end. Being mobile and black is not the end all be all of their evaluations. They’re all pretty terrible, is how I compare em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not necessarily, but I'm not discounting the possibility just because of the injury he sustained. I see him as an option even with the associated risk. You don't and that's fine. I understand that you see him as an option "even with the associated risk", the question is "why?" If you look at Bridgewater's stats pre injury, what is it that makes you feel he is worth recruiting with a roster spot and a signing bonus, and assuming the very significant risk that he will not achieve that pre-injury level and could go out at any time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I understand that you see him as an option "even with the associated risk", the question is "why?" If you look at Bridgewater's stats pre injury, what is it that makes you feel he is worth recruiting with a roster spot and a signing bonus, and assuming the very significant risk that he will not achieve that pre-injury level and could go out at any time? Because I watched him play and I'm looking beyond the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The endless comparisons of QBs like Tyrod and Lamar Jackson and Teddy Bridgewater need to end. Being mobile and black is not the end all be all of their evaluations. The Tyrod & Teddy comparison isn't about skin color or mobility (Teddy doesn't come close). It's specifically about passing production, where they have incredibly similar yard numbers and Tyrod is 1% higher in TD% and 1% lower in INT%. Nothing about Teddy's production prior to his injury said he could even match Tyrod's passing production, and now he's coming off a terrible injury but people think he will be an upgrade? The odds are very much in favor of that not being the case whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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