Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 1/5/2018 at 6:51 PM, garybusey said: At least 2 of the INTs were on Bills receivers making two boneheaded plays. The FB who had the ball bounce of his head and into the arms of a Charger should have an INT on his stat sheet. Pretty sure Zay dropped one as well that resulted in a pick. Yes - Peterman had a horrible game, but if you take his INTs in context I do not think the game was all time bad like many believe. Expand Really? Which is the second? In the first, the ball did go off the receiver's hands but SOP for that kind of toss is to throw it low, making it a harder catch for the WR but also less likely to be pick-able I don't know of another that wasn't on NRN. Did he show some good throws, sure, but most wet-behind-ears QB get a clue and rein it in before they rack up #5. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick threw 5 picks as a rookie. How'd that decision making work out down the road? Edited January 5, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 This seems like Tyrod to me Quote He has no patience under pressure, sloppy mechanics, spotty accuracy, marginal arm strength, and makes poor decisions Expand
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:03 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Yep....Big Ben threw 4 in the first half, 2 of them were pick 6's. The pick 6's came within 3 minutes apart. Expand Big Ben had a terrible, no good, very bad day
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 1/5/2018 at 7:00 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: That can't be a complete list including this year, since Big Ben threw 5 vs Jacksonville this year, and Not-ready-Nate threw 5 in the first half vs LA Chargers this year. Edit: Oh, I see - 35 games somehow I read it as 5 Expand https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm + indicates Hall of Famer Ryan Fitzpatrick 5 STL St. Louis Rams vs. Minnesota Vikings, December 11, 2005 Norm Van Brocklin+ 5 RAM Los Angeles Rams vs. San Francisco 49ers, October 28, 1951 Warren Moon+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, November 24, 1991 Steve Pelluer 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Los Angeles Raiders, November 9, 1986 Drew Bledsoe 5 NWE New England Patriots vs. Miami Dolphins, November 21, 1999 Eli Manning 5 NYG New York Giants vs. San Francisco 49ers, November 16, 2014 David Woodley 5 MIA Miami Dolphins vs. Dallas Cowboys, October 25, 1981 Matt Ryan 5 ATL Atlanta Falcons vs. Arizona Cardinals, November 18, 2012 Dick Shiner 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns, November 17, 1968 Larry Rakestraw 5 CHI Chicago Bears vs. Detroit Lions, September 22, 1968 John Elway+ 5 DEN Denver Broncos vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 14, 1985 Dick Wood 5 NYJ New York Jets vs. Boston Patriots, September 27, 1964 Nathan Peterman 5 BUF Buffalo Bills vs. Los Angeles Chargers, November 19, 2017 Troy Aikman+ 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants, October 15, 2000 Mike Phipps 5 CLE Cleveland Browns vs. Miami Dolphins, December 24, 1972 Joe Flacco 5 BAL Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills, September 29, 2013 Mark Rypien 5 WAS Washington Redskins vs. Chicago Bears, December 9, 1990 Randy Wright 5 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. New Orleans Saints, September 14, 1986 Ben Roethlisberger 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, October 8, 2017 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, October 5, 1980 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Philadelphia Eagles, January 3, 1981 Mark Brunell 5 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars vs. St. Louis Rams, October 20, 1996 Jim Hardy 5 CRD Chicago Cardinals vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, October 28, 1951 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Green Bay Packers, November 29, 1981 Edited January 5, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:03 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: This seems like Tyrod to me Expand I don't think you can tag TT with "marginal arm strength". His deep ball, under Roman/Lynn, was one of our strengths. He has patience under pressure, sometimes too much, but he doesn't react as a pocket passer should by stepping up into his lanes. I'm not equipped to comment on the sloppy mechanics and spotty accuracy - I thought his mechanics were OK but I'm not a QB guru, and when a WR and QB miss each other all you can say is one of the two messed up. The poor decisions I grant though in the opposite direction. Maybe we could pour Peterman and Taylor's risk perception into a big pot, stir, and come up with something just right.
Warren Zevon Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 1/5/2018 at 7:03 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Really? Which is the second? In the first, the ball did go off the receiver's hands but SOP for that kind of toss is to throw it low, making it a harder catch for the WR but also less likely to be pick-able I don't know of another that wasn't on NRN. Did he show some good throws, sure, but most wet-behind-ears QB get a clue and rein it in before they rack up #5. Expand Just rewatched all 5. You're right - there wasn't a second that was on the WR. No excuse, though, for the FB. Perfect pass and there wasn't a defender within 8 yards of him until he volleyed it into the air. Edited January 5, 2018 by garybusey
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I heard on NFLN today that the Jags are 8-0 when Bortles has no picks, which means they are 2-6 when he has at least one. So any INT that we can get in this game will be HUGE.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:08 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think you can tag TT with "marginal arm strength". His deep ball, under Roman/Lynn, was one of our strengths. He has patience under pressure, sometimes too much, but he doesn't react as a pocket passer should by stepping up into his lanes. I'm not equipped to comment on the sloppy mechanics and spotty accuracy - I thought his mechanics were OK but I'm not a QB guru, and when a WR and QB miss each other all you can say is one of the two messed up. The poor decisions I grant though in the opposite direction. Maybe we could pour Peterman and Taylor's risk perception into a big pot, stir, and come up with something just right. Expand Fair enough .... This season it appears as if he's declined That mixture would be sweet On 1/5/2018 at 7:09 PM, buffaloboyinATL said: I heard on NFLN today that the Jags are 8-0 when Bortles has no picks, which means they are 2-6 when he has at least one. So any INT that we can get in this game will be HUGE. Expand I had heard that too Lets go 3 Amigo's Poyer, Hyde and White!!! One each would be sweet!!! 1
BringBackFlutie Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:06 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm + indicates Hall of Famer Ryan Fitzpatrick 5 STL St. Louis Rams vs. Minnesota Vikings, December 11, 2005 Norm Van Brocklin+ 5 RAM Los Angeles Rams vs. San Francisco 49ers, October 28, 1951 Warren Moon+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, November 24, 1991 Steve Pelluer 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Los Angeles Raiders, November 9, 1986 Drew Bledsoe 5 NWE New England Patriots vs. Miami Dolphins, November 21, 1999 Eli Manning 5 NYG New York Giants vs. San Francisco 49ers, November 16, 2014 David Woodley 5 MIA Miami Dolphins vs. Dallas Cowboys, October 25, 1981 Matt Ryan 5 ATL Atlanta Falcons vs. Arizona Cardinals, November 18, 2012 Dick Shiner 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns, November 17, 1968 Larry Rakestraw 5 CHI Chicago Bears vs. Detroit Lions, September 22, 1968 John Elway+ 5 DEN Denver Broncos vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 14, 1985 Dick Wood 5 NYJ New York Jets vs. Boston Patriots, September 27, 1964 Nathan Peterman 5 BUF Buffalo Bills vs. Los Angeles Chargers, November 19, 2017 Troy Aikman+ 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants, October 15, 2000 Mike Phipps 5 CLE Cleveland Browns vs. Miami Dolphins, December 24, 1972 Joe Flacco 5 BAL Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills, September 29, 2013 Mark Rypien 5 WAS Washington Redskins vs. Chicago Bears, December 9, 1990 Randy Wright 5 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. New Orleans Saints, September 14, 1986 Ben Roethlisberger 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, October 8, 2017 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, October 5, 1980 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Philadelphia Eagles, January 3, 1981 Mark Brunell 5 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars vs. St. Louis Rams, October 20, 1996 Jim Hardy 5 CRD Chicago Cardinals vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, October 28, 1951 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Green Bay Packers, November 29, 1981 Expand Oh, Kramer...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:02 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Yes. Bank on it. With 26NateHater its a passion for him. How many games has Nate played in the NFL? 1 no? Expand Isn't it 4? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00/gamelog/2017/ Then there's preseason. I'll grant it's not a large sample size, but what I don't understand, based upon his being a 5th round draft pick combined with said sample size, is why folks are high on seeing him more? Not meaning to dump on the kid as some others or assert that a handful of passess in 4 games define him, it's just you usually don't expect much out of a 4th round or later draft pick besides holding a clipboard for a year or two, or maybe some practice squad. If you are going to get more, it usually telegraphs itself as a stellar performance in preseason (ie Dak Prescott) or exceptional quality play when he starts (ie, don't shoot me, Ryan Fitzpatrick's first game - >300 yds passing, 3:1 TD:INT kind of thing) 2
grb Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:08 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think you can tag TT with "marginal arm strength". His deep ball, under Roman/Lynn, was one of our strengths. He has patience under pressure, sometimes too much, but he doesn't react as a pocket passer should by stepping up into his lanes. I'm not equipped to comment on the sloppy mechanics and spotty accuracy - I thought his mechanics were OK but I'm not a QB guru, and when a WR and QB miss each other all you can say is one of the two messed up. The poor decisions I grant though in the opposite direction. Maybe we could pour Peterman and Taylor's risk perception into a big pot, stir, and come up with something just right. Expand Actually, ProFootballFocus calculates a passer rating under pressure, though it no doubt requires some subjective interpretation. It's always one of Taylor's highest ratings. (I attached the week 16 rankings as an example) https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-grade-after-week-16
Warren Zevon Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:19 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Isn't it 4? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00/gamelog/2017/ Then there's preseason. I'll grant it's not a large sample size, but what I don't understand, based upon his being a 5th round draft pick combined with said sample size, is why folks are high on seeing him more? Not meaning to dump on the kid as some others or assert that a handful of passess in 4 games define him, it's just you usually don't expect much out of a 4th round or later draft pick besides holding a clipboard for a year or two, or maybe some practice squad. If you are going to get more, it usually telegraphs itself as a stellar performance in preseason (ie Dak Prescott) or exceptional quality play when he starts (ie, don't shoot me, Ryan Fitzpatrick's first game - >300 yds passing, 3:1 TD:INT kind of thing) Expand Agree with this. I just don't think we should conclude his career is unsalvagable.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:09 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Fair enough .... This season it appears as if he's declined That mixture would be sweet Lets go 3 Amigo's Poyer, Hyde and White!!! One each would be sweet!!! Expand I think that had more to do with the change in WR and playcalling. Our current guys don't get the kind of separation TT wants downfield and he doesn't trust them as he was starting to trust Sammy. Let's Go Buffalo!
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 1/5/2018 at 7:19 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Isn't it 4? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00/gamelog/2017/ Then there's preseason. I'll grant it's not a large sample size, but what I don't understand, based upon his being a 5th round draft pick combined with said sample size, is why folks are high on seeing him more? Not meaning to dump on the kid as some others or assert that a handful of passess in 4 games define him, it's just you usually don't expect much out of a 4th round or later draft pick besides holding a clipboard for a year or two, or maybe some practice squad. If you are going to get more, it usually telegraphs itself as a stellar performance in preseason (ie Dak Prescott) or exceptional quality play when he starts (ie, don't shoot me, Ryan Fitzpatrick's first game - >300 yds passing, 3:1 TD:INT kind of thing) Expand If you want to use preseason you want. I see zero INT's there. It's a double edged sword. When I use preseason stats people don't like it when I post Tyrod's QB rating of 27.9. 12 in the PHI game. On 1/5/2018 at 7:24 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think that had more to do with the change in WR and playcalling. Our current guys don't get the kind of separation TT wants downfield and he doesn't trust them as he was starting to trust Sammy. Let's Go Buffalo! Expand Trust.... Also - He should have been able to get in sync after 10 or more games. Edited January 5, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
BuffaloBill Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 6:33 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: No need for this thread but 5 INTs in one half! Expand Peterman wished to prove Savior Peterman was completely delusional. 1
4_kidd_4 Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 6:36 PM, billsfan11 said: I still don’t understand how the Bills lost that cowboys game lol Expand Just hit me that it’s been 10 years. Cripes.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:28 PM, BuffaloBill said: Peterman wished to prove Savior Peterman was completely delusional. Expand Doesn't he take care of that all by himself? 1 1
reddogblitz Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:03 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: This seems like Tyrod to me Quote He has no patience under pressure, sloppy mechanics, spotty accuracy, marginal arm strength, and makes poor decisions Expand Expand This sound nothing like Hotrod.
BigDingus Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 6:36 PM, klumzyfule66 said: 5 Ints in 4 separate games, yet the most we have won by was 10 points? GEESH what an awful team during the drought. Expand Our offenses have been inept. It's like this year...when we were getting a boatload of turnovers but doing nothing with them. If it weren't for the defense gifting the offense those turnovers in opponent territory, the scoreboard would look much worse. Fortunately, the offense often started in FG range, so when they promptly went 3 & out, they could at least get 3 points. When the defense got turnovers in our own side of the field, it usually lead to a punt :/ 1
twoandfourteen Posted January 5, 2018 Author Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 7:19 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Isn't it 4? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00/gamelog/2017/ Then there's preseason. I'll grant it's not a large sample size, but what I don't understand, based upon his being a 5th round draft pick combined with said sample size, is why folks are high on seeing him more? Not meaning to dump on the kid as some others or assert that a handful of passess in 4 games define him, it's just you usually don't expect much out of a 4th round or later draft pick besides holding a clipboard for a year or two, or maybe some practice squad. If you are going to get more, it usually telegraphs itself as a stellar performance in preseason (ie Dak Prescott) or exceptional quality play when he starts (ie, don't shoot me, Ryan Fitzpatrick's first game - >300 yds passing, 3:1 TD:INT kind of thing) Expand Has less to do with Peterman, specifically and more to do with people being really tired of seeing Tyrod's JV offense every Sunday. Taylor's ceiling is well known and established at this point. Peterman is an unknown and I think people wanted to see if maybe the Bills got lucky in the 5th round. It's like a scratch-off ticket, basically. More than likely it's going in the garbage, but you never know until you take a look.
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