SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: This sound nothing like Hotrod. Quote He has little patience under pressure and aborts too fast, sloppy mechanics, this season for whatever reason spotty accuracy, seemingly marginal arm strength, and makes poor decisions I was a bit harsh. better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I've already explained that it's not a one game assessment. Fair enuf 26. But now you are locked in and there will be no going back. When you were saying that NP was not ready you were in a good place, but saying that he's just no good is a much riskier proposition IMO. That does not appear to be the view of OBD BTW. Introducing partisanship into player evaluations is just stupid. It's not what good fans do. It's what tiresome idiots and cultists (on both sides) do. Maybe if Peterman turns into something you will retreat to the "was not ready - that was all" position. But given the bile with which you have expressed your views nobody will be buying it. You are not doing yourself any favours IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: This sound nothing like Hotrod. Accuracy - ranked 15th Yards Per Attempt - ranked 23rd Passer Rating - ranked 16th Yards Per Game - ranked 30th Time to Throw - ranked 3rd out of 41 QB's (3.01 seconds) Sacks - ranked 3rd highest (Gee, wonder if holding on to the ball so long affects that...) Avg Completed Air Yards - 28th (6.2 yards) TD's - ranked 25th Passes 20+ yards - ranked 20th Passes 40+ yards - ranked 26th Passing Offense - ranked 31st Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, starrymessenger said: Fair enuf 26. But now you are locked in and there will be no going back. When you were saying that NP was not ready you were in a good place, but saying that he's just no good is a much riskier proposition IMO. That does not appear to be the view of OBD BTW. Introducing partisanship into player evaluations is just stupid. It's not what good fans do. It's what tiresome idiots and cultists (on both sides) do. Maybe if Peterman turns into something you will retreat to the "was not ready - that was all" position. But given the bile with which you have expressed your views nobody will be buying it. You are not doing yourself any favours IMO. I see what I see and I'm not impressed by his skill set at the NFL level. Partisanship? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, BigDingus said: Accuracy - ranked 15th Yards Per Attempt - ranked 23rd Passer Rating - ranked 16th Yards Per Game - ranked 30th Time to Throw - ranked 3rd out of 41 QB's (3.01 seconds) Sacks - ranked 3rd highest (Gee, wonder if holding on to the ball so long affects that...) Avg Completed Air Yards - 28th (6.2 yards) TD's - ranked 25th Passes 20+ yards - ranked 20th Passes 40+ yards - ranked 26th Passing Offense - ranked 31st Sounds about right. Highest completion percentage in Buffalo Bills franchise history for QB throwing over 500 passes. PLAYOFFS !!! But yeah, 56 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I see what I see and I'm not impressed by his skill set at the NFL level. Partisanship? What are you talking about? But you are impressed by Taylor's skill set as a passer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Fair enuf 26. But now you are locked in and there will be no going back. When you were saying that NP was not ready you were in a good place, but saying that he's just no good is a much riskier proposition IMO. That does not appear to be the view of OBD BTW. Introducing partisanship into player evaluations is just stupid. It's not what good fans do. It's what tiresome idiots and cultists (on both sides) do. Maybe if Peterman turns into something you will retreat to the "was not ready - that was all" position. But given the bile with which you have expressed your views nobody will be buying it. You are not doing yourself any favours IMO. 26NateHater will not change his mind. If he does he will be reminded of it. i guarantee it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: But you are impressed by Taylor's skill set as a passer? Damn you are thick! For the umpteenth time Taylor is the best QB on the team and there is no viable alternative on the 2017 Bills' roster. It will be great if they can upgrade to find a potential franchise QB in the 2018 draft. In the interim....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I see what I see and I'm not impressed by his skill set at the NFL level. Partisanship? What are you talking about? What I am talking about is posters who form some sort of psychological or emotional attachment to a player which then precludes a rational evaluation and perhaps causes them to be inordinatelty and unreasonably critical of another player they interpret as a competitor and a threat. At the end of the day their "opinions" are nothing more than dramatizations of their inward states and desires - not unlike a dog's behavior. Maybe you don't fall into that grouping. Whether you do or you do not, you are unambiguously on the record. Time will tell how you make out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No need for this thread but 5 INTs in one half! 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Quiet you infantile imbecile. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: A Lost Boy trying to make excuses for Putrid Peterman. Very UnfortuNATE. It’s playoff time, no need for stuff like this ? Such a shame, unless you’re a hypocrite ? Edited January 5, 2018 by Teddy KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, starrymessenger said: What I am talking about is posters who form some sort of psychological or emotional attachment to a player which then precludes a rational evaluation and perhaps causes them to be inordinatelty and unreasonably critical of another player they interpret as a competitor and a threat. At the end of the day their "opinions" are nothing more than dramatizations of their inward states and desires - not unlike a dog's behavior. Maybe you don't fall into that grouping. Whether you do or you do not, you are unambiguously on the record. Time will tell how you make out. How I make out isn't the issue. It's what the Bills do to find a long term solution at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, garybusey said: Agree with this. I just don't think we should conclude his career is unsalvagable. If you mean, we shouldn't conclude he's incapable as a QB and cut him, I agree. If by career, you mean, he should get further chances to start, that was my point: his normal career trajectory on a well-run team would be expected to be, "hold clipboard, enter game if Starter is injured" and I don't understand why some folks here seem to think he should be evaluated as "starter stuff" I mean, if he comes into training camp next year with a roar and lights up the place, sure, then that changes things, but not if it keeps us from bringing in a FA and drafting a guy. Preferably earlier than the 4th round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How I make out isn't the issue. It's what the Bills do to find a long term solution at QB. Certainly how the Bills make out at the all important position is more important. But how you or any other poster makes out is not unimportant. Football savvy is a skillset. One that we all practice and try to be good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, garybusey said: Just rewatched all 5. You're right - there wasn't a second that was on the WR. No excuse, though, for the FB. Perfect pass and there wasn't a defender within 8 yards of him until he volleyed it into the air. Agree, that's on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I was a bit harsh. better? Shady, you were a bit harsh on TT's arm strength. He is able to throw it out of bounds when the receiver is on the sideline and when the receiver is downfield , he's able to throw it at least five yards beyond him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: What I am talking about is posters who form some sort of psychological or emotional attachment to a player which then precludes a rational evaluation and perhaps causes them to be inordinatelty and unreasonably critical of another player they interpret as a competitor and a threat. At the end of the day their "opinions" are nothing more than dramatizations of their inward states and desires - not unlike a dog's behavior. Maybe you don't fall into that grouping. Whether you do or you do not, you are unambiguously on the record. Time will tell how you make out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm + indicates Hall of Famer Ryan Fitzpatrick 5 STL St. Louis Rams vs. Minnesota Vikings, December 11, 2005 Norm Van Brocklin+ 5 RAM Los Angeles Rams vs. San Francisco 49ers, October 28, 1951 Warren Moon+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, November 24, 1991 Steve Pelluer 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Los Angeles Raiders, November 9, 1986 Drew Bledsoe 5 NWE New England Patriots vs. Miami Dolphins, November 21, 1999 Eli Manning 5 NYG New York Giants vs. San Francisco 49ers, November 16, 2014 David Woodley 5 MIA Miami Dolphins vs. Dallas Cowboys, October 25, 1981 Matt Ryan 5 ATL Atlanta Falcons vs. Arizona Cardinals, November 18, 2012 Dick Shiner 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns, November 17, 1968 Larry Rakestraw 5 CHI Chicago Bears vs. Detroit Lions, September 22, 1968 John Elway+ 5 DEN Denver Broncos vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 14, 1985 Dick Wood 5 NYJ New York Jets vs. Boston Patriots, September 27, 1964 Nathan Peterman 5 BUF Buffalo Bills vs. Los Angeles Chargers, November 19, 2017 Troy Aikman+ 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants, October 15, 2000 Mike Phipps 5 CLE Cleveland Browns vs. Miami Dolphins, December 24, 1972 Joe Flacco 5 BAL Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills, September 29, 2013 Mark Rypien 5 WAS Washington Redskins vs. Chicago Bears, December 9, 1990 Randy Wright 5 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. New Orleans Saints, September 14, 1986 Ben Roethlisberger 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, October 8, 2017 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, October 5, 1980 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Philadelphia Eagles, January 3, 1981 Mark Brunell 5 JAX Jacksonville Jaguars vs. St. Louis Rams, October 20, 1996 Jim Hardy 5 CRD Chicago Cardinals vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, October 28, 1951 Tommy Kramer 5 MIN Minnesota Vikings vs. Green Bay Packers, November 29, 1981 Damn, Tommy Kramer is on the list 3 times in just over 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Certainly how the Bills make out at the all important position is more important. But how you or any other poster makes out is not unimportant. Football savvy is a skillset. One that we all practice and try to be good at. Your attempted lecture aside, the insinuation that I have an allegiance to Taylor that is clouding my judgment is 100% incorrect. Anyone can see that he's limited in a number of ways and the Bills would be wise to upgrade. That has nothing to do with how I see Peterman and I've been consistent with what I have posted with regard to him going back to preseason. Here's to the Bills finding their franchise QB in the offseason. In the interim, I'm rooting for Taylor and the Bills to do as well as possible in the post season with the offseason taking care of itself. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Damn you are thick! For the umpteenth time Taylor is the best QB on the team and there is no viable alternative on the 2017 Bills' roster. It will be great if they can upgrade to find a potential franchise QB in the 2018 draft. In the interim....... Right. So forget the draft. Limiting the conversation to just Peterman and Taylor, you are not impressed with the NFL skill set of one guy... that would mean that you are impressed with the NFL skill set of the other. You called him the "best QB on the team". Simple logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Right. So forget the draft. Limiting the conversation to just Peterman and Taylor, you are not impressed with the NFL skill set of one guy... that would mean that you are impressed with the NFL skill set of the other. You called him the "best QB on the team". Simple logic. Wild Card Game this Weekend in Jacksonville. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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