JohnC Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It is a really crazy story that didn’t get nearly enough publicity. The HOF voters were more than comfortable putting him in but TO needed to wait. TO should have been a first ballot selection. Old school thinking and old school bias were unfairly involved in the first vote. I have never liked his "see-me" antics on the field. And without question there were locker rooms in which he was divisive. He without question intensified a divided locker room over the qb in Philly. But as time went on even with the chaos surrounding him after his post career due to financial calamity (much of due to his financial responsibility to his babies and baby mommas) I got to see a more favorable and likeable side to him. He was an easy person to caricaturize in a very negative way. But the more I have seen him on sport shows and interviews the more apparent it is that he is a bright guy with a very likeable personality. TO is far from being an angel. But his life story is a very complicated story. His family history is very convoluted. It would leave scars on anyone who was subjected to such chaos. Football was important to him. It was the center of his life and it was his refuge. He had an unbounding passion for the game, maybe too much. He has earned the right to be in the Hall and he deserves it, although it should have been on the first ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 11 hours ago, Gugny said: I'm most happy about TO getting in. He was a first ballot guy, IMO. Is Ray Lewis only the second guy in the HOF to get away with murder? Or are there more? ......easiest way to stop this nonsense is to publish the name of every voter and their votes....Kramer waiting until the 11th time?.......Thurmal had to wait because he wasn't a media darling......Andre waited as did Art Monk..........Tasker is still waiting......as a St'er, he's like MLB relief pitchers who were shunned for years...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 15 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: Reed and Gonzalez are HOF first ballots for sure. Waters might make it. The rest are not HOF players Champ Bailey!? Absolutely hall of fame worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Terrell Owens formed girlfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Terrell Owens formed girlfriend Formed out of plastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 12:02 AM, Clyde Smith said: Biscuit or Talley should be in before Vilma? Three linebackers that belong in the Hall of “pretty good” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Formed out of plastic? Autocorrupt. Former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 10:48 AM, JohnC said: TO should have been a first ballot selection. Old school thinking and old school bias were unfairly involved in the first vote. I have never liked his "see-me" antics on the field. And without question there were locker rooms in which he was divisive. He without question intensified a divided locker room over the qb in Philly. But as time went on even with the chaos surrounding him after his post career due to financial calamity (much of due to his financial responsibility to his babies and baby mommas) I got to see a more favorable and likeable side to him. He was an easy person to caricaturize in a very negative way. But the more I have seen him on sport shows and interviews the more apparent it is that he is a bright guy with a very likeable personality. TO is far from being an angel. But his life story is a very complicated story. His family history is very convoluted. It would leave scars on anyone who was subjected to such chaos. Football was important to him. It was the center of his life and it was his refuge. He had an unbounding passion for the game, maybe too much. He has earned the right to be in the Hall and he deserves it, although it should have been on the first ballot. Really well said John!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/3/2018 at 4:12 PM, Gugny said: I think it was a joke once they let Terrell Davis in, but to your point - I agree. TO should already be there without question. Now he can be signed by teams as a WR without distraction on whether he will get in hall of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 London Fletcher is an interesting case IMO. He was a bit of a Pro Bowl snub for several years before becoming a perennial Pro Bowler at the end of his career. Obviously he played most his entire career in the shadow of Lewis and Urlacher. He played 74 more games than Urlacher (almost 5 years) and 2 more years than Lewis ending up with similar counting stats in regards to interceptions and sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: London Fletcher is an interesting case IMO. He was a bit of a Pro Bowl snub for several years before becoming a perennial Pro Bowler at the end of his career. Obviously he played most his entire career in the shadow of Lewis and Urlacher. He played 74 more games than Urlacher (almost 5 years) and 2 more years than Lewis ending up with similar counting stats in regards to interceptions and sacks. He is a good player. He is not a HOF player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/3/2018 at 8:21 PM, Dadonkadonk said: There was a Cowboys 49ers game where Madden said it was the first time he saw the three best players of all time at their position on the field at the same time - Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, and Larry Allen. Madden posted a lot of BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/3/2018 at 9:54 PM, Dadonkadonk said: Reed and Gonzalez are HOF first ballots for sure. Waters might make it. The rest are not HOF players Disagree completely on London Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnC said: He is a good player. He is not a HOF player. He had a really long productive career, but never dominated the game the same way these other guys have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 2018-02-03 at 9:54 PM, Dadonkadonk said: Reed and Gonzalez are HOF first ballots for sure. Waters might make it. The rest are not HOF players Agreed. But, think Champ Bailey could be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 Pretty cool to hear Lofton describe some of the behind closed doors process of electing new HoF members. 2-6: Pro Football Hall of Famer James Lofton on the John Murphy Show (17:56) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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