Enough's enough - This team went 9-7......

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

You're right it doesn't, my point though is it's not like we beat a bunch of playoff teams down the stretch. Also I was right about the Bills struggling after the 5-2 start, they did finish 4-5 in their final 9.

 

Miami certainly disappointed this season after many experts (including myself) thought they were a SB contender. But goes to show that even in a down season, Gase had this team playing hard and both games against them could have easily went in Miami's favor with a little luck.

 

Look for Miami to bounce back strong next season and possibly win the division should Brady and the Pats ever falter.

 

LOL....

Or you could say the won 4 of their last 6 but no....you won't say that LOL.  One of them was on the road against a playoff team.

Quit trolling with the MIA stuff...it's getting old and not funny if that's what you're going for.

[MTBill]

Last comment by me on this thread...

 

Who did this team lose to?

 

Teams in Playoffs - Panthers (11-5), Saints (11-5), Patriots x2 (13-3)

Teams not in Playoffs - Bengals (7-9), Jets (5-11), Chargers (9-7)

 

4 of the 7 losses came to playoff teams.  We eked the Chargers out of contention - but they were on the cusp as well.

 

Who did this team beat?

 

Teams in Playoffs - Falcons (10-6), Chiefs (10-6), 

Teams not in Playoffs - Jets (5-11), Broncos (5-11), Buccaneers (5-11), Raiders (6-10), Colts (4-12), Miami x2 (6-10)

 

While we only had 2 wins against other playoff teams - we did beat 2 playoff teams already - both on the road.

 

This was no easy road to hoe.  So to finish 9-7 and make the playoffs is no small accomplishment and should not be ignored because it isn't a beauty queen.  Even the "patriots" are no beauty queen when it comes to perfection...

[BrooklynBills]

There IS a major difference between this team and the team of the last 3-4 years.

 

This team went 9-7 and has multiple extra picks in upcoming drafts and is in better cap shape than the last three years.

 

The Doug Whaley/Rex Ryan Bills went 9-7/8-8 and we're up against the cap and had wasted significant draft capital to get there.

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

You're right it doesn't, my point though is it's not like we beat a bunch of playoff teams down the stretch. Also I was right about the Bills struggling after the 5-2 start, they did finish 4-5 in their final 9.

 

Miami certainly disappointed this season after many experts (including myself) thought they were a SB contender. But goes to show that even in a down season, Gase had this team playing hard and both games against them could have easily went in Miami's favor with a little luck.

 

Look for Miami to bounce back strong next season and possibly win the division should Brady and the Pats ever falter.

Why should we look for that?

 

Their returning starting QB isnt that great

 

They became good because Ajay got hot.......then traded him

 

Suh might be gone after this year

 

Oh.....and just a thought but the BUFFALO BILLS who traded away most of their blue chip players.....just beat them twice during the season......maybe just maybe it is the BILLS that everyone should be watching out for now

[SaviorPeterman]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

McD was playing 4d chess to purposely draw the game against the Jags.

 

I'm still not very high on McD, mostly because he doesn't seem very bright and has made a series of questionable coaching decisions in recent weeks (i.e. going back to TT as the starter, overtime punt against Indy, etc)

 

But hard not to embrace 'The Process' now after he got lucky with the Ravens losing and Bills making the playoffs. Hopefully it doesn't get to his head though because this matchup with St. Doug looms LARGE.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

I'm still not very high on McD, mostly because he doesn't seem very bright and has made a series of questionable coaching decisions in recent weeks (i.e. going back to TT as the starter, overtime punt against Indy, etc)

 

But hard not to embrace 'The Process' now after he got lucky with the Ravens losing and Bills making the playoffs. Hopefully it doesn't get to his head though because this matchup with St. Doug looms LARGE.

First bills head coach to have a winning record in his first year since 2010?

 

Coached a bills team that is lacking talent at several spots to its first playoff birth in 17 years

 

Yeah....he sucks

[SaviorPeterman]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL....

Or you could say the won 4 of their last 6 but no....you won't say that LOL.  One of them was on the road against a playoff team.

Quit trolling with the MIA stuff...it's getting old and not funny if that's what you're going for.

 

This team had several quality wins this season (@ ATL/KC), however both of those were offset but terrible losses against the Jets and Bengals (who ironically got us into the playoffs).

 

And yes even though the Dolphins had a down season this year they were still quality wins given the caliber of coaching and talent on Miami's roster. And speaking of the fish, hopefully McD and Beane are paying attention in terms of a playoff team with high expectations heading into the next season failing.

[teef]

Just now, John from Hemet said:

First bills head coach to have a winning record in his first year since 2010?

 

Coached a bills team that is lacking talent at several spots to its first playoff birth in 17 years

 

Yeah....he sucks

he's upset because his sources have made him look very foolish on this board time and time again.  what can he possibly say at this point.  he's part of the, "save face crowd".  

[SaviorPeterman]

1 minute ago, John from Hemet said:

First bills head coach to have a winning record in his first year since 2010?

 

Coached a bills team that is lacking talent at several spots to its first playoff birth in 17 years

 

Yeah....he sucks

 

I didn't say he sucks John, I'm just not giddy and in love with him just because we ended the drought. And had Ravens won I guarantee many fans heaping praise on him would be bashing him unrelentlessly right now.

 

Like I said, if anything Miami should serve as a cautionary tale for the Bills entering 2018. Because no matter what happens against the Jags a lot of Bills fans are no doubt going to have sky high expectations about next season. And it's next season in which we'll truly find out about 'The Process' and if it's for real.

[cba fan]

5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And yes the 18 year curse was lifted.  

 

The Bills won the tie-breakers and we're in the playoffs with the best possible first round opponent (something I predicted btw).

 

The point is (and I keep repeating) is that this is pretty much the same records as 2014-2016, so quit thinking this coaching staff & HO turned water into wine.

 

What it did do was create such low expectations that some consider it a miracle.

 

What was miraculous was winning 6 games where the opposition had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win & the Bills winning each and every time.  

 

I am as excited as anyone that they are in the playoffs and planning my Sunday, but I am not getting ahead of myself and anointing this coaching staff as an all time great.

 

However I am a fan and don't get stuck on the minutiae wrt to drafts, schemes and philosophy.

 

It is quite simple for us fans.  If a team is 8-8 for 3 seasons in a row, you look at it and say 2 more wins and you're in the playoffs.  I look at the skill positions and how they are utilized (and yes was pissed at Watkins, the trade and not targeting him enough).  I thought better coaching and tweaks to properly utilize Taylor and we'd see a huge improvement.

 

On the defensive side, it did not take much to see that they were undisciplined, took way too many penalties, and disorganized under Rex, which could be fixed easily to the point they would be competent.

 

So as said I will be here and cheering Sunday & hopefully beyond & will leave shortly thereafter while you argue about the draft, personnel moves & free agency.

 

I will return when Sammy signs and when a decision is made on Tyrod.

 

Again would we fans be so excited if they went 8-8, or 8-7-1 (as McDermott tried vs. Indy) and no playoffs.  

 

It is the Playoffs that has created this euphoria, not a record that matches those the prior 3 years......

 

Flame away!!!!!

 

 

The AFC North was swept by the BEARS. Yes the BEARS. Bills are better than Ravens.

 

Choke on that.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

This team had several quality wins this season (@ ATL/KC), however both of those were offset but terrible losses against the Jets and Bengals (who ironically got us into the playoffs).

 

And yes even though the Dolphins had a down season this year they were still quality wins given the caliber of coaching and talent on Miami's roster. And speaking of the fish, hopefully McD and Beane are paying attention in terms of a playoff team with high expectations heading into the next season failing.

And what lesson could McD and Beane learn from Miami exactly?

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

If you want to disregard the 5-2 start and ignore 3 game losing streak and use the 4-2 logic sure, but who did the 4 wins come against?

 

Miami x 2 (and both games game down to stopping them after an onside kick, including last week against Dolphins 3rd string QB).

Indy (it took a reversed 2 point conversion and overtime to beat another horrible team)

KC (quality win for sure but they were in the midst of a 4 game losing streak when we beat them)

 

Bottom line though I'm not arguing the fact we made the playoffs, it's obviously a great thing. But take away what was essentially a hail mary pass by Andy Dalton and we having a much different conversation right now. But you can't say the BIlls earned this because it was out of their hands in week 17 even with the win against the Dolphins.

Yet you were all over Gase and Miami's jock all year talking about their awesome finish and 4d chess moves all year.  Miami's awesome finish last year included 49ers, Rams, Jets, Bills, Cardinals, Chargers, and a mediocre as usual Ravens team. Also Miami "backed in" because the 9-7 Titans lost to the Jags in week 17.  Titans  owned the head to head on Miami. 

 

Miami this year sucked.  We swept them period.  After all your Gase playing 4d chess and they went 9-2 last year blah blah blah crap.  Give the Bills the same credit punk fan. So stop being a hypocrite.

Edited January 2, 2018 by Scott7975

[John from Riverside]

Just now, SaviorPeterman said:

 

I didn't say he sucks John, I'm just not giddy and in love with him just because we ended the drought. And had Ravens won I guarantee many fans heaping praise on him would be bashing him unrelentlessly right now.

 

Like I said, if anything Miami should serve as a cautionary tale for the Bills entering 2018. Because no matter what happens against the Jags a lot of Bills fans are no doubt going to have sky high expectations about next season. And it's next season in which we'll truly find out about 'The Process' and if it's for real.

Kicking the can down the road a bit I see.....again what cautionary tale should the bills learn......dont put all your eggs in the QB basket?  Dont trade away the RB that actually got you to the playoffs?

 

Dude

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

This team had several quality wins this season (@ ATL/KC), however both of those were offset but terrible losses against the Jets and Bengals (who ironically got us into the playoffs).

 

And yes even though the Dolphins had a down season this year they were still quality wins given the caliber of coaching and talent on Miami's roster. And speaking of the fish, hopefully McD and Beane are paying attention in terms of a playoff team with high expectations heading into the next season failing.

 

Boy you like contradicting yourself.

Previous post you were being negative on the Bills because it took us to the final minutes of the game to beat the Dolphins but now they are quality wins because of Miami's roster.

Dude, troll better HighfootballIQ.  What other usernames have you had?

[SaviorPeterman]

Just now, John from Hemet said:

And what lesson could McD and Beane learn from Miami exactly?

 

I already explained this.......see 2016 Dolphins (playoff team) and 2017 Dolphins (non playoff team).

 

Still no guarantees the Bills won't be terrible next year with the pending roster turnover. And backing into the playoffs this year (while nobody is arguing isn't a great thing) certainly won't change McD and Beane's plans especially at QB and purging an aging defensive roster.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

I didn't say he sucks John, I'm just not giddy and in love with him just because we ended the drought. And had Ravens won I guarantee many fans heaping praise on him would be bashing him unrelentlessly right now.

 

Like I said, if anything Miami should serve as a cautionary tale for the Bills entering 2018. Because no matter what happens against the Jags a lot of Bills fans are no doubt going to have sky high expectations about next season. And it's next season in which we'll truly find out about 'The Process' and if it's for real.

 

So with that quote, since the Dolphins regressed this year after a playoff season and we apply your logic that's bolded....the Dolphins weren't for real.

[Billsfan1972]

8 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Why are you a fan?

 

Marrone and Rex had MUCH more talented rosters and of the 3 seasons you spoke of, 2 of the 3 ended up with worse records than this one... with MUCH less talented rosters.

 

Go be a Pats* fan

I.e. Dareus was a star in 2014-15 but not now?????  Gilmour, Darby, Watkins, Woods, Goodwin?????

 

Not trying to be an ass, just saying that this team is/was not terrible and as a fan expect them to improve annually and going from .500 to 9-7 is 1 win.......  

 

Yes I'm a fan, but still not 100% sure about the coaching staff......

 

As stated, I thought they were a playoff team in preseason, defended Tyrod and really got upset at the preseason trades and the FO/coaching staff pretending we were such a bad team.

 

Will be interesting in the offseason if they try and push forward with Peterman as the starter and TBD's buy in tp that scenario...... 

[SaviorPeterman]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Boy you like contradicting yourself.

Previous post you were being negative on the Bills because it took us to the final minutes of the game to beat the Dolphins but now they are quality wins because of Miami's roster.

Dude, troll better HighfootballIQ.  What other usernames have you had?

 

No contradictions, Dolphins were a losing team this season (albeit a very talented one with the best HC in the division after Belichik IMO).

 

But again, some of you are acting like the Bills ran the gauntlet of playoff teams this season and beat them and also earned a birth in the tourney without help, neither is true.

 

Can't we all just be happy the season isn't over regardless of the less than ideal circumstances of how the Bills got in to the postseason?

[John from Riverside]

Just now, SaviorPeterman said:

 

I already explained this.......see 2016 Dolphins (playoff team) and 2017 Dolphins (non playoff team).

 

Still no guarantees the Bills won't be terrible next year with the pending roster turnover. And backing into the playoffs this year (while nobody is arguing isn't a great thing) certainly won't change McD and Beane's plans especially at QB and purging an aging defensive roster.

I am sincerely trying to understand your logic....which might be a mistake on my part.

 

There are NO guarantee's EVER in the NFL if you do not have a top 5 NFL QB.......mistakes by Beane and McDermott......does that include the trade down for Tre White and the additional 1st round pick?   Does that include getting rid of high paid malcontents on the roster?    What mistakes do you see them accidentally making?

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

You're right it doesn't, my point though is it's not like we beat a bunch of playoff teams down the stretch. Also I was right about the Bills struggling after the 5-2 start, they did finish 4-5 in their final 9.

 

Miami certainly disappointed this season after many experts (including myself) thought they were a SB contender. But goes to show that even in a down season, Gase had this team playing hard and both games against them could have easily went in Miami's favor with a little luck.

 

Look for Miami to bounce back strong next season and possibly win the division should Brady and the Pats ever falter.

 

I look for Miami to be 6-10 again and Gase to be fired next January. He is a terrible Head Coach. His team plays like Rex's Bills... so many simple, sloppy, unneccessary pre snap penalties again yesterday. Two of which came straight after plays where the Bills Offense lost yardage and they handed the yardage right back to them. I think he is absolutely hopeless as a head man. The only surviving Head Coach I'd have him over is his mate Vance Joseph who will also be fired next January... oh and possibly Koetter.