YoloinOhio Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I believe the Bills coaching staff wants a QB who can play effectively from inside the pocket in order to mesh with the scheme. There has been discussion and rumor about the team having interest in Kirk cousins and/or Alex Smith in the offseason. Found this pretty interesting to that discussion .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I’m still disappointed that we wouldn’t adjust the scheme to fit our talents. We could have a much easier path to the playoffs THIS YEAR if not for the stubbornness. Change schemes when you have the guys to make it work. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m still disappointed that we wouldn’t adjust the scheme to fit our talents. We could have a much easier path to the playoffs THIS YEAR if not for the stubbornness. Change schemes when you have the guys to make it work. They've done a little of both out of necessity. Gotta compensate for Tyrod, but also engrain the system into everyone else who will remain with the team. Anyone know what Tyrod's rating is inside the pocket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 43 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m still disappointed that we wouldn’t adjust the scheme to fit our talents. We could have a much easier path to the playoffs THIS YEAR if not for the stubbornness. Change schemes when you have the guys to make it work. Sometimes a scheme can't make a player great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 28 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m still disappointed that we wouldn’t adjust the scheme to fit our talents. We could have a much easier path to the playoffs THIS YEAR if not for the stubbornness. Change schemes when you have the guys to make it work. Changing schemes has little to do with the running qb's struggle with accuracy, eading defenses and going through progressions. You either have an ability to do it or you don't. Blaming the multiple OCs he has played under to adjust to his limitations is a distraction and divergence from the real issue of inherit deficiencies that he has. Teams are adjusting to Taylor by doing their best to contain him and force him to play in a way that he is not comfortable with. The limited book on him is on full display. The running qb has had seven years to add another dimension to his game that would allow him to be a more complete qb. He has not been able to do it. What you now see is what you are going to get. Whaley wanted to move on from Taylor. The new regime apparently wants to move on from him. The storyline is baked in: Taylor will not be on the Bills' roster next year. It will be because he simply isn't good enough for an organization that has higher aspirations other than being mediocre. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Woodman19 said: Sometimes a scheme can't make a player great. A scheme will never make a player great, but tweaking it to adjust to the players talents can help put points on the board. We gave up 9 points to the Panthers, and lost by 6. I’d love that game back as we look at our playoff chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, JohnC said: Changing schemes has little to do with the running qb's struggle with accuracy, eading defenses and going through progressions. You either have an ability to do it or you don't. Blaming the multiple OCs he has played under to adjust to his limitations is a distraction and divergence from the real issue of inherit deficiencies that he has. Teams are adjusting to Taylor by doing their best to contain him and force him to play in a way that he is not comfortable with. The limited book on him is on full display. The running qb has had seven years to add another dimension to his game that would allow him to be a more complete qb. He has not been able to do it. What you now see is what you are going to get. Whaley wanted to move on from Taylor. The new regime apparently wants to move on from him. The storyline is baked in: Taylor will not be on the Bills' roster next year. It will be because he simply isn't good enough for an organization that has higher aspirations other than being mediocre. Wow, this about sums it all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 We regressed this year in terms of running the ball and scoring points. That’s all I’m saying. I’d prefer a traditional, winning QB as much as the next guy, but I’d also like to be in the playoffs this year so we can stop hearing about “the drought”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m still disappointed that we wouldn’t adjust the scheme to fit our talents. We could have a much easier path to the playoffs THIS YEAR if not for the stubbornness. Change schemes when you have the guys to make it work. How do you adjust around a QB who can't throw past the LOS? 9 minutes ago, JohnC said: Changing schemes has little to do with the running qb's struggle with accuracy, eading defenses and going through progressions. You either have an ability to do it or you don't. Blaming the multiple OCs he has played under to adjust to his limitations is a distraction and divergence from the real issue of inherit deficiencies that he has. Teams are adjusting to Taylor by doing their best to contain him and force him to play in a way that he is not comfortable with. The limited book on him is on full display. The running qb has had seven years to add another dimension to his game that would allow him to be a more complete qb. He has not been able to do it. What you now see is what you are going to get. Whaley wanted to move on from Taylor. The new regime apparently wants to move on from him. The storyline is baked in: Taylor will not be on the Bills' roster next year. It will be because he simply isn't good enough for an organization that has higher aspirations other than being mediocre. POST of the month, for sure. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They've done a little of both out of necessity. Gotta compensate for Tyrod, but also engrain the system into everyone else who will remain with the team. Anyone know what Tyrod's rating is inside the pocket? All I could find were Next Gen stats https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) I cannot tell you how happy I am that Jimmy is not a Patriot anymore. We dodged a bullet because I wouldn't be able to go through another super star top 5 QB on the Patriots. Brady will be done in two years and then we rise. Edited December 21, 2017 by Call_Of_Ktulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 52 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m still disappointed that we wouldn’t adjust the scheme to fit our talents. We could have a much easier path to the playoffs THIS YEAR if not for the stubbornness. Change schemes when you have the guys to make it work. exactly. if we had last years OC we make the playoffs easily. DC needed to go. OC should have stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Augie said: We regressed this year in terms of running the ball and scoring points. That’s all I’m saying. I’d prefer a traditional, winning QB as much as the next guy, but I’d also like to be in the playoffs this year so we can stop hearing about “the drought”. This is a rebuilding operation. The team for a variety of reasons has been stripped of some of its best players. In my view this is an overachieving team. My recommendation to you is not to look back and make comparisons but look to the present and toward the future and see if it is getting better. This was never a quick fix. Rex and the prior regime constructed at best a fringe wild-card contending team. The team that was inherited is being taken apart to be put together in a very different way. I fully agree with that strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: They've done a little of both out of necessity. Gotta compensate for Tyrod, but also engrain the system into everyone else who will remain with the team. Anyone know what Tyrod's rating is inside the pocket? I would like to see TT rating inside the pocket to players OTHER than RB, FB, TE.... How many times this year has TT completed a pass to a RB behind the LOS, which counts as a completed pass AND a loss of net yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Socal-805 said: How do you adjust around a QB who can't throw past the LOS? Try to pay attention people: I’m NOT loving on Tyrod, simply pointing out that the previous 2 years we scored plenty of points and ran the ball pretty well. This year? Not so much.... Tyrod’s inability to see the field and go through progressions maddens me as much as the next guy. But you can use him in a way to score more points than we have this year. We just refused to do that because we were married to “a scheme”. It changed a bit over time when they saw it wouldn’t work, but not enough. Looks to me like an OC who is a one trick pony. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Good post by the OP. I'd imagine that obtaining either Keenum or Smith would cost the least amount of picks (I think Keenum is a FA?). In Smith's case, KC likely wants to start Mahommes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: This is a rebuilding operation. The team for a variety of reasons has been stripped of some of its best players. In my view this is an overachieving team. My recommendation to you is not to look back and make comparisons but look to the present and toward the future and see if it is getting better. This was never a quick fix. Rex and the prior regime constructed at best a fringe wild-card contending team. The team that was inherited is being taken apart to be put together in a very different way. I fully agree with that strategy. In the present, we do not score enough points. That’s all I’m saying. Go to a new scheme when you have the guys who can pull it off. Tyrod isn’t that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Augie said: A scheme will never make a player great, but tweaking it to adjust to the players talents can help put points on the board. We gave up 9 points to the Panthers, and lost by 6. I’d love that game back as we look at our playoff chances. and I'm sure Matt Ryan wants the questionable strip sack back that cost Atl that game. move on please. Edited December 21, 2017 by 8-8 Forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Augie said: In the present, we do not score enough points. That’s all I’m saying. Go to a new scheme when you have the guys who can pull it off. Tyrod isn’t that guy. I'm not putting all the blame on Taylor. Arguably we have the worst receiving corps in the league. I understand what your point is but I disagree with you that the OC has handcuffed him with the play calling. Taylor is a known commodity to the rest of the league. Defenses adjust to qbs. They do their best to limit what you do well and try to force you to do what you don't do well. As with any player playing any position the opposition is going to adjust to the players' strength and weaknesses. When you are exposed you are exposed with nowhere to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: and I'm sure Matt Ryan wants the strip sack back that cost Atl that game. move on please. One point to paint the larger picture. Don’t miss the point yourself. I see it for what it is and am indeed looking forward while recognizing the present. 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: I'm not putting all the blame on Taylor. Arguably we have the worst receiving corps in the league. I understand what your point is but I disagree with you that the OC has handcuffed him with the play calling. Taylor is a known commodity to the rest of the league. Defenses adjust to qbs. They do their best to limit what you do well and try to force you to do what you don't do well. As with any player playing any position the opposition is going to adjust to the players' strength and weaknesses. When you are exposed you are exposed with nowhere to hide. It worked 2 years in a row. (By “worked” I mean we ran the ball and scored points.) In the NFL you are lucky if you can “fool” anyone 2 weeks in a row. What has changed is the OC. I’m not a huge fan of the QB or the OC. Edited December 21, 2017 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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