SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Lol even the people that like Tyrod admit that you need a good defense and good special teams to win. That doesn't sound like a good QB to me I’d give you props but I maxed out on the limit earlier. The team had to play near perfect for Tyrod to lead the team to a convincing win. I’ve been welcoming them to the Dark Side Edited November 18, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 30 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I was talking about the Jets game. I said as much. Go back and look at it. The offense was moving the ball. The defense was getting gashed. So no insult taken. You read it/misunderstood it or weren't watching. yeah. I misunderstood, had just smoked my medicine, my bad. unfortunately I was watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strethor Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Lol even the people that like Tyrod admit that you need a good defense and good special teams to win. That doesn't sound like a good QB to me The collective sigh of Bills fans when they realize the opponent is up 7 with Tyrod at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Maine-iac said: I like Taylor. People get that and hate that which is fine. If we had a Rogers type prospect on the bench or had slid out of the playoff hunt I wouldn't even bat an eye at them yanking Taylor. That's my issue with pulling Taylor. I don't think they'll be better with Peterman because of Dennison. I think in a best case scenario you'll see the 2015/2016 Broncos. That's with KB because the Broncos have good recievers. Taylor has played most of the year in that turd offense with guys off the street. He had Watkins, Woods and Goodwin before this year. They all seem to be doing fine on their new teams. We never saw Woods play this well here. If only I could put a finger on what it was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan60 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 After watching taylor for 2 1/2 years I've come to the conclusion he has all the physical skills anybody could ask for, and more. He has the leadership traits to command an offense. He sets a positive example for his teammates. And all of that is worthless if he can't process what he is seeing on the field and lacks the confidence in himself and his WRs to execute a game plan. When things are going well, he'll stay the course and not screw things up. But when everything turns to crap he isn't capable of using his skills to take over a game and exert his will on the outcome. Unless your team is perfectly balanced taylor's not a starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: He had Watkins, Woods and Goodwin before this year. They all seem to be doing fine on their new teams. We never saw Woods play this well here. If only I could put a finger on what it was. Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin never made it through a season without gettting hurt. They were also all playing in a run first offense that averaged 50 ypg more running the ball than this years team. Again I'm not lamenting the switch to Peterman. That writing was on the wall. I'm lamenting the switch to Dennison. It is the very type of switch that has defined the "drought" in Buffalo. Two years from now we'll be hiring some untested offensive prodigy because we went bust with a 1st round pick of a QB and inevitably he'll bring in a dud of a DC and we'll start this all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin never made it through a season without gettting hurt. They were also all playing in a run first offense that averaged 50 ypg more running the ball than this years team. Again I'm not lamenting the switch to Peterman. That writing was on the wall. I'm lamenting the switch to Dennison. It is the very type of switch that has defined the "drought" in Buffalo. Two years from now we'll be hiring some untested offensive prodigy because we went bust with a 1st round pick of a QB and inevitably he'll bring in a dud of a DC and we'll start this all over again. Well the key there is not to draft the dud first round pick. McBeane have set it up to be defined by their drafts. Really, most GMs are as it's the only way to put a team together. Changing the HC and then the OC assured that the run offense would take a step back. That's just what happens. The Bills would be well served by keeping a HC for more than two or three years, for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 hours ago, SinatraSinger said: OK, help me out all you posters that think that Tyrod is a viable starting QB. I will admit that I have never played organized football just alot of sandlot football growing up. I have been watching football for 50+ years. During those years I have seen great, good, medicore and poor players at every position. I've been watching Tyrod now for 2.5 years and I do not see how anyone can consider him a viable starter on any NFL team. So what I am looking for is to be educated. As I said I have not played organized ball and I have found over the years when reading posts on this site as well as others that people that have actually played this game have a better insite when it comes to these sorts of things. So please tell me what strengths and skill set Tyrod has that makes you believe he can be a viable starter in the NFL? Thanks Can we start with you defining what you mean exactly by "viable starting QB"? With Tyrod Taylor under center in 2015 the Bills were 12th in offense; in 2016 the Bills were 11th in offense. That's after the famous London game in '15 and the final game in '16 where Manuel started. Without those, they were better - 9th and 10th I think. In those same years, the Bills D was 15th and 16th. It seems fairly reasonable to believe that with a top-5 D as the Bills had in 2014, we would have won a couple more games and seen some playoffs. So in the sense of "able to lead a team to playoffs", Taylor demonstrated he has the skills to be a viable starting QB in an appropriate offense - with a varied blocking scheme and top rushing attack, enough passing game to keep the D a bit honest, and the ability to gain yards with his feet. He is probably not a viable NFL starter in a conventional timing-based pass-first WCO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin never made it through a season without gettting hurt. They were also all playing in a run first offense that averaged 50 ypg more running the ball than this years team. Again I'm not lamenting the switch to Peterman. That writing was on the wall. I'm lamenting the switch to Dennison. It is the very type of switch that has defined the "drought" in Buffalo. Two years from now we'll be hiring some untested offensive prodigy because we went bust with a 1st round pick of a QB and inevitably he'll bring in a dud of a DC and we'll start this all over again. The point is I don't think an OC exists that can make TT a good passer. He is what he is. He's an average to below average QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonawandarock Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I'm not so sure 2015/16 total stats tell the true story on offense. From my memory this offense got of to notoriously bad starts and would disappear for long stretches during most games. Many points and yardage were accumulated when the game was no longer in doubt. Feel free to rebut my recollections ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 So he's an average to below average passer. Not bottom five in the league. So I guess that means he is a viable starting QB. On a really good team, he is adequate. On a mediocre to below average team, he can't carry the team to the playoffs like a Favre, Brees, Ryan or Brady. I think that's what we have. So viable, yes. Ideal, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 We get games like 10-7 against Ravens last year and 9-3 against Carolina this year. Different OC's but same result. He can't move the ball consistently. He will not throw the ball unless the receiver is wide open. Good QB's let their receivers make plays when they are not open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonawandarock Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, tonawandarock said: I'm not so sure 2015/16 total stats tell the true story on offense. From my memory this offense got of to notoriously bad starts and would disappear for long stretches during most games. Many points and yardage were accumulated when the game was no longer in doubt. Feel free to rebut my recollections ... Well i did my own research on teamrankings.com. 2015 2016 1st Q Points(NFL Rank) 5.4(7) 4.9(13) 2nd 6.4(19) 6.2(23) 3rd 4.9(15) 6.9(4) 4th 7.0(14) 7.0(11) Note the 2016 btw. 1st/2nd Qtr. ranks(fall behind) and 3rd/4th ranks( padding stats but not winning i.e., Seattle game) Edited November 18, 2017 by tonawandarock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonawandarock Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Strethor said: The collective sigh of Bills fans when they realize the opponent is up 7 with Tyrod at QB so true-happens to me in the second quarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Watkins, Woods and Goodwin were hurt more than half the time. TT and the Bills were not 0-16 the lat 2 seasons. When at least one or two of them were healthy, Tyrod balled out and the Bills won - crazy thought. When they didn't it was when the D was allowing Ajai to run for 200 +. 3 hours ago, Starr Almighty said: He had Watkins, Woods and Goodwin before this year. They all seem to be doing fine on their new teams. We never saw Woods play this well here. If only I could put a finger on what it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonawandarock Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, moshermw said: Watkins, Woods and Goodwin were hurt more than half the time. TT and the Bills were not 0-16 the lat 2 seasons. When at least one or two of them were healthy, Tyrod balled out and the Bills won - crazy thought. When they didn't it was when the D was allowing Ajai to run for 200 +. Newsflash! Only Bills receivers get hurt and miss games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, tonawandarock said: Newsflash! Only Bills receivers get hurt and miss games! Can you, right now, without looking it up, name their (Woods, Watkins, Goodwin) backups - 2015, 2016 only please. 1 minute ago, moshermw said: Can you, right now, without looking it up, name their (Woods, Watkins, Goodwin) backups - 2015, 2016 only please. Take a lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Taylor has many good traits. Unfortunately he lacked the one trait that kept him from retaining the stating job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 The problem with Tyrod is he requires a very specific offense to take advantage of his skills. Very few teams will be willing to change their system for him. His extreme "safe" play and unwillingness to throw wr's open will always be his downfall . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 OP, Just resolve in your own mind how the New Orleans game and the Jest game are different from these two - all the data you need - hint - different OC, same QB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahJAelqtBm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeNf-axc_4s Then take a lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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