Who's been most screwed by the Bills? Of All Time.

[OldTimer1960]

On 11/15/2017 at 10:58 PM, LA Grant said:

Who do you think received the most raw deal in their time with the Bills? I know some of you are very much company men who will always side with the team over the player, but otherwise I think you can agree, just like any business, some employees just come into a bad situation and get screwed over. Here are my candidates for who had it worst.

 

Tyrod Taylor  I'm sure some of you see it differently, I definitely think Tyrod got kind of screwed over with the Bills. He earned the starting job in a TC competition where he wasn't the organization's preferred guy. He has a winning record as a starter, despite a new OC every season, and zero consistency in receiving targets. Not saying he didn't struggle at times. Saints game was a disaster and it wasn't his first really terrible performance. At the same time, he did show a consistent ability to not turn the ball over, and a less consistent but still present playmaking ability. We'll see what happens but my feeling with Tyrod is if he was in a RPO offense with a good speedy deep-threat (ie, a healthy Watkins), he could be elite. 

 

Doug Flutie Similar situation to Tyrod in the sense that he won the starting job but nobody was really rooting for him to do so. It would have been much easier on the organization if Rob Johnson had stayed healthy and played well, but just like with EJ, the backup outplayed him. Benching him versus the Titans was the wrong move, but it's not indefensible -- even at the time people were calling for it. Bills Daily keeps all of their archives up back to that season -- you can literally go read their take of the last regular season game when Johnson had one of his best career games against the Colts, and even they were saying RJ should start in the playoffs, because Flutie had struggled throughout the year and it looked like defenses had figured him out. The "magic" was gone, and the team was winning ugly games with defense and running the ball. The way everything happened with the controversy in 2000, and then Wade's firing was the beginning of the long night we've been in for 17 years. 

 

Doug Whaley Never got to pick a head coach, or even have a consistent coach for more than 2 years. Not to mention you were GM for Ralph, then after his passing and through the sale to the Pegulas, so he also didn't have consistency there, either. It's not that his draft moves didn't have vision, I don't agree with that take on Whaley, e could see the type of team he was envisioning, his problem was more that he seemed to draft with desperation every year. He also was way too loose with the checkbook in free agency. Those things are understandable, though, considering what he was dealing with, that he'd try to "win now" as much as possible and end the drought and finally establish stability. Would we have been better off this year if Whaley stayed and picked a different coach? Who can say. But our roster would certainly look very different right now.

 

Wade Phillips I think Wade might be my pick because he was fired despite never posting a losing season. His worst season was 8-8. His firing wasn't unexpected, though; he handled the QB situation in 2000 horribly, plus his really dumb comments about being out of contention in the primetime game against the Colts, when we had the same record as them but they did end up going to the playoffs. And Ronnie Jones, i think was his name, the ST coach -- our special teams were really horrible. But, I think our problems were not so drastic that we needed to fire Wade and clean house. If Ralph and Wade had found a solution to keep him, the Bills would have been much better building and rebuilding their roster. 

 

EJ Manuel First round draft pick. Starts week one of his rookie season. Plays well throughout his rookie year, despite being, you know, a rookie. And not a consensus kind of rookie QB, either. EJ was never going to be Deshaun Watson. He was slated as a 4th round guy and the Bills reached and put too much pressure on a dude that even Florida fans knew, and were saying, EJ was inaccurate and slow to read the field. But his development was totally wrecked when Marrone benched him for Orton and we never really had the chance to see what EJ could have done with more time getting to play with Sammy Watkins. He did have a shot at the job in Rex's first TC, so I while I think the Bills definitely mismanaged EJ, he still had his fair amount of chances and they were right to let him go.

 

Other Candidates You could make a case for Bill Polian, John Butler, Ted Cottrell, and the way the team cut Thurman/Andre/Bruce. 

 

The Fans This one gets my vote. What a ridiculous thing it is to follow this team and root for their success. Stay Billsy, Buffalo.

 

 

I was one wanting to give EJ more chances, but in the end he proved he isn’t an NFL starter.  While I respect Tyrod’s effort and leadership, he also has proven that he is limiting the team.  He has few turnovers, but defenses are no longer rushing him at all and are forcing him to stay in the pocket where he has proven that he will not throw to anyone who is not WIDE open.

 

If you have a great defense, you can win in spite of Tyrod, not because of him.  

 

I want to be very clear that I have rooted for Taylor and recognize that he is better than most of the poor QBs that the Bills have started since Jim Kelly.  BUT, that does not mean that Taylor is a legitimate starting QB for a hopeful playoff team.

[Gugny]

57 minutes ago, Manther said:

Wow, just wow

 

I know.  You noticed I held back a little.  Trying to keep it rated PG.

[Another Fan]

How about Chuck Knox?  I'm not sure if anyone mentioned him yet.  I think Ralph just didn't want to pay him?  You can argue he was a better coach then Levy

[Buffalo716]

I would say all of our wallets have been royally ****** by the Bills

[moshermw]

Perhaps and tend to agree. All said, this D is not good enough the past 3 weeks to overcome pick6's. Say what u want about TT being awful, the only pick he threw was a fluke deflection thing. Peterman will likely throw into coverage as coached to, "throw a receiver open" "in tight windows" or maybe right to a DB who jumps an obvious route. Our WR are very green. And so is NP. That's how easy P6's happen. 

 

Why can that sacrificial pick 6 shvt not begin after the bye week or in 2018 ? Timing sux.

 

Bille are 5-4 and currently largely because there's been NO P6's. Except by us.

 

Big TT fan and think one rides him out through the season - looks set up to fail and finally had the perfect game to do it.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if the FO and coaches were as shocked as the rest of the football world that the Bills were 5-2 under TT with his boy Sammy gone, shvtty other WR and an offense structured on purpose for him to fail so they could not pay him.

 

Bills fan first, TT close second, so hope Peterman turns this WR corps and OL into All Pros in LA - proving that TT sux.

 

Ha. 

On 11/16/2017 at 6:34 AM, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Taylor's performance will go down as one of the worst in the history of this franchise. Just because the defense played poorly doesn't mean Taylor wasn't terrible.

 

If McDermott could pull his defense and replace it with another, I'm sure he would. But you can't replace 11 people. Easier to replace one.

 

On 11/16/2017 at 2:21 AM, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

 

Many rookie QBs throw pick sixes in their 1st start.  It's like step 1 of the learning process .

 

[row_33]

I’d say OJ because they brainlessly ran him into the ground until he was washed up way too soon.

 

 

He only had 5 great seasons.

 

 

[Buffalo86]

Flutie, without a doubt.

 

Whaley?!? To say he never got to pick his own HC is disingenuous.  He was a yes man who never had the balls to pick his own HC.  He was worried about self-preservation, and not what was best for our team.  For this, he should be shamed and ridiculed.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

The Fans. Every year Snake Oil Salesman extrordinaire Russ Brandon cooks up a new con and the team never delivers yet the fans stay loyal. Like having to wait three hours for a table at the worst restaurant in town.

[Nick the Greek]

EJ got a raw deal under Marrone. But at the end of the day he wasn’t a very good QB.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

On 11/15/2017 at 11:33 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

I think you watch too much Scandal.

Maybe he was B613.

Listen to the audio. Pretty obvious Thurman cant stand him. Even took a shot at his height which was hilarious. Said he was 5'5" or 5"6. He was short but not that short. Thats spud webb short. Skin Flutie. Most overrated Bill ever.