BisonMan Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Kudos to The NFL Network for pointing today out that the last 5-4 team in a playoff hunt to replace their QB with a rookie was the Giants with Eli Manning replacing Kurt Warner (2004). Sure enough, they have Warner on the show to talk about it. Warner pointed out that that Giants team wasn't very good and "not a playoff team" and switching to the #1 pick at QB was an acknowledgement of the future (sound familiar?). Of course, Warner didn't point out that he was having the worst year of his career with 6 TDs, 4 INTs and a whopping 39 sacks (in 9 games!). He also had one of his lowest YPG of his career. Everyone assumed he was washed up after the 2 injury filled seasons before that. As it turns out, the offense wasn't aligned with his skills (see: Tyrod Taylor) and moving to AZ revived his career. Eli was horrible as his replacement with 6 TDs, 9 INTs and just 115 YPG. Let's hope Peterman is no Eli Manning...as a rookie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, BisonMan said: Kudos to The NFL Network for pointing today out that the last 5-4 team in a playoff hunt to replace their QB with a rookie was the Giants with Eli Manning replacing Kurt Warner (2004). Sure enough, they have Warner on the show to talk about it. Warner pointed out that that Giants team wasn't very good and "not a playoff team" and switching to the #1 pick at QB was an acknowledgement of the future (sound familiar?). Of course, Warner didn't point out that he was having the worst year of his career with 6 TDs, 4 INTs and a whopping 39 sacks (in 9 games!). He also had one of his lowest YPG of his career. Everyone assumed he was washed up after the 2 injury filled seasons before that. As it turns out, the offense wasn't aligned with his skills (see: Tyrod Taylor) and moving to AZ revived his career. Eli was horrible as his replacement with 6 TDs, 9 INTs and just 115 YPG. Let's hope Peterman is no Eli Manning...as a rookie. This is a better offense than that was. I think the scheme is so out of whack from who Taylor is that the only way to fix the offense is to give it to someone who is made for this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Yes different schemes fit different players. It was clear from beginning that Coach McD did not think much of the schemes are were not planning on keeping them. He also did not think much of the coaches despite things which the team did well last year or the scouts which picked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I am as big a fan of this decision as anyone. But even I am preparing for Peterman to throw a couple picks. He will also do other rookie things that are part of the learning curve. Expect him to take a few bad sacks while he learns the value of throwing the ball away when a play is not there, etc. The issue will be whether or not he does enough good things to offset the INTs and mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 So what your telling, me is that two rings are on the way? Perfect! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Romie said: So what your telling, me is that two rings are on the way? Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Also - Dennison was OC in Denver when Mike Shanahan benched Jake Plummer for rookie Jay Cutler when Broncos were 7-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 First overall pick. Not comparable in the least bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: First overall pick. Not comparable in the least bit. I pointed that out in the OP. If a #1 overall failed that miserably, what can we expect of a 5th rounder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I was wondering if a team that was 5-4 or better had ever benched a starting QB for a rookie before. Great find on the 2004 Giants! The Giants started that year 5-2. Lost the next 2 and decided to start their rookie QB at 5-4. They proceeded to lose the next 6 games before winning in week 17 to finish 6-10. Wow....let's hope the Bills season doesn't end at 6-10. It'll be worth it if Peterman becomes the next Eli Manning, although I have my doubts there. There's a reason Peterman was drafted #171 overall and Eli went #1 overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I think the kid will do a whole lot better then most people think. It's about time the Bills had an actual pocket QB that teams will actually need to worry about stopping his passing. Plus Charles Clay should be back and he should help that passing offense even more. I'm excited to see what a passing QB can do with this receiving corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I don’t see how past teams have anything to do with a current team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, row_33 said: I don’t see how past teams have anything to do with a current team. "History: never relevant!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 11 hours ago, BisonMan said: Kudos to The NFL Network for pointing today out that the last 5-4 team in a playoff hunt to replace their QB with a rookie was the Giants with Eli Manning replacing Kurt Warner (2004). Sure enough, they have Warner on the show to talk about it. Warner pointed out that that Giants team wasn't very good and "not a playoff team" and switching to the #1 pick at QB was an acknowledgement of the future (sound familiar?). Of course, Warner didn't point out that he was having the worst year of his career with 6 TDs, 4 INTs and a whopping 39 sacks (in 9 games!). He also had one of his lowest YPG of his career. Everyone assumed he was washed up after the 2 injury filled seasons before that. As it turns out, the offense wasn't aligned with his skills (see: Tyrod Taylor) and moving to AZ revived his career. Eli was horrible as his replacement with 6 TDs, 9 INTs and just 115 YPG. Let's hope Peterman is no Eli Manning...as a rookie. I just commented on this. It seemed to me Kurt Warner was still bothered by it. We all know what Eli went onto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Again Eli was going to play and Warner was only a placeholder in every possible scenario....... No comparison (after the records). What is interesting is the Bills finally have all their receivers and as a conspiracy theorist it is obvious they want to be rid of TT, Peterman is a stretch, but they have him starting in the best possible situation and probably are hoping for 6-10 and a good first round draft choice. TT with all his receivers and a win vs. LAC would have meant Peterman would have no real chance to start until December 10th (wouldn't start him on the road vs. KC or home vs. NE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Bills finally have all their receivers and as a conspiracy theorist it is obvious they want to be rid of TT, I think this says it all. Doctor Evil was drawing up his plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: I think this says it all. Doctor Evil was drawing up his plans I can hardly wait until Sunday and all of a sudden we'll see quicker play calls, shotgun, bunched receivers & motion and no plays that we watching on TV know before the snap the exact call...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again Eli was going to play and Warner was only a placeholder in every possible scenario....... No comparison (after the records). What is interesting is the Bills finally have all their receivers and as a conspiracy theorist it is obvious they want to be rid of TT, Peterman is a stretch, but they have him starting in the best possible situation and probably are hoping for 6-10 and a good first round draft choice. TT with all his receivers and a win vs. LAC would have meant Peterman would have no real chance to start until December 10th (wouldn't start him on the road vs. KC or home vs. NE). I agree that Eli was already tapped to be the future in NY. However, he wasn't supposed to start in 2004 as he was supposed to sit and learn behind Warner. Warner had a horrible start which led to accelerating Eli into the starting role. I'm not sure that the Bills believed that Peterman was the "future" but they have always been (or seemed to be) high on Peterman. It's also obvious from Tyrod's contract that they had no intention of paying him $16M next week given his typical production. Tyrod was always going to be history in Buffalo unless his game completely changed this year...an unlikely scenario. RE: "best possible situation...hoping for 6-10" I don't believe that the "best possible situation" has a goal of just one more win this season. Best possible is that he steps up to the challenge and they take games from LA, MIA (2), INDY and finish with a 9-7...sneaking into the playoffs in a weak AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I can hardly wait until Sunday and all of a sudden we'll see quicker play calls, shotgun, bunched receivers & motion and no plays that we watching on TV know before the snap the exact call...... this reminds me of the last days of Kelly and Thurman I could make the correct call 90% of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, BisonMan said: I agree that Eli was already tapped to be the future in NY. However, he wasn't supposed to start in 2004 as he was supposed to sit and learn behind Warner. Warner had a horrible start which led to accelerating Eli into the starting role. I'm not sure that the Bills believed that Peterman was the "future" but they have always been (or seemed to be) high on Peterman. It's also obvious from Tyrod's contract that they had no intention of paying him $16M next week given his typical production. Tyrod was always going to be history in Buffalo unless his game completely changed this year...an unlikely scenario. RE: "best possible situation...hoping for 6-10" I don't believe that the "best possible situation" has a goal of just one more win this season. Best possible is that he steps up to the challenge and they take games from LA, MIA (2), INDY and finish with a 9-7...sneaking into the playoffs in a weak AFC. And really you're telling me that a rookie 5th round pick has a better chance to do that then TT....... And it they lose this week the playoffs are done. The Bills have tiebreakers already over Denver & Oakland, which were important. No reason they couldn't/shouldn't have waited one more game (being this looks very winnable if the Defense doesn't allow 250 yards rushing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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