Blame Dennison if You Want, But it's Not the System

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

 

Greg Roman 2015

 

Running on second and long with Mike Tolbert over and over, that's totally ok for you?

 

but not greg roman 2016.

 

that was offensive

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, JM57 said:

You clearly haven't watched the Chiefs lighting up the league for the last two years, have you? Screens, jet sweeps, all sorts of crazy stuff and it WORKS because their offensive coaches looked at what they had talent wise and created a playbook that suited them.

 

Meanwhile offensive Dick Jauron is running the same 10 plays over and over and over again, the same ones Kubiak and Shanahan before him have run for 30 years and wonders why it's getting stopped. 

You completely missed the point. Again for you, the basis of any offense is the running backs running and wide receivers catching passes. It is hard to have sustainable success with running backs leading the passing attack and wide receivers leading the rushing attack.

[Roundybout]

51 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

but not greg roman 2016.

 

that was offensive

 

 

its simple, we bring back Karlos Williams. 

[Marty McFly]

2 hours ago, JM57 said:

You clearly haven't watched the Chiefs lighting up the league for the last two years, have you? Screens, jet sweeps, all sorts of crazy stuff and it WORKS because their offensive coaches looked at what they had talent wise and created a playbook that suited them.

 

Meanwhile offensive Dick Jauron is running the same 10 plays over and over and over again, the same ones Kubiak and Shanahan before him have run for 30 years and wonders why it's getting stopped. 

 

That.

[JM57]

3 hours ago, horned dogs said:

You completely missed the point. Again for you, the basis of any offense is the running backs running and wide receivers catching passes. It is hard to have sustainable success with running backs leading the passing attack and wide receivers leading the rushing attack.

I didn't miss the point. You claim it is unsustainable. I say if it is unsustainable, how have the Chiefs, for example, done it for the better part of 2 seasons? 

[thunderingsquid]

Good Lord this discussion is ridiculous and something I thought I had left on the BBMBs.  You all are so much better than this.  I'm with JM57 and the rest on this one because logic. 

 

Coaching is everything. How would you explain Goff and Keenum's successes this year? 

 

You adapt to what you have and we have plenty of talent on this roster.  If you try and squeeze a sqare peg in a round hole you get opposing defenses that do what we saw this past Sunday.  "We tried to turn Tyrod into a pocket QB" said the D.  And if you fail to adjust your plan to what you have and fail to practice and make adjustments you are left hoping for the draft to save you.  ALWAYS BE ADJUSTING, ALWAYS BE ADAPTING. 

 

 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Dennison's playbook

 

 

 

CBF

[JM57]

13 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Dennison's playbook

 

 

 

CBF

Shoot boys he found it better draw up some fresh ones in the sand

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Dennison's playbook

 

 

 

CBF

 

Post of the week...in contention for post of the year in my book!  Big KUDOS!  Dying laughing because its so true.

[thunderingsquid]

Epic post, CBF!  Now we just have to put Tyrod on the Nintendo all week up to Sunday.  Do they have NES in the LA hotels? 

[Domdab99]

Dennison's scheme is perfectly fine - but not for Tyrod Taylor. The offense that should be run is one like the Chiefs and Eagles do...if Dennison wants to keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, this team is destined to fail. He should start Peterman if he wants to run this offense. TT is being set up to fail. Just read this:

 

http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/something-has-change-offensively

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, JM57 said:

I didn't miss the point. You claim it is unsustainable. I say if it is unsustainable, how have the Chiefs, for example, done it for the better part of 2 seasons? 

If you don't get the fact that not getting rushing yards from your running backs and depending on QB/REC running yards and running backs being your receiving targets only....I don't know what to say. Nothing controversial here. Your running backs need rushing yards and receivers need receiving yards as a basis for anything else you don on offense.

Edited November 14, 2017 by horned dogs

[Alphadawg7]

On 11/12/2017 at 4:39 PM, H2o said:

The offense has struggled, but I don't believe it's Dennison or the system's fault. His system has been successful in multiple places. He learned under Shanahan and Kubiak spending time with Denver, Houston, a stop in Baltimore as a QB coach, and then back to Denver before coming here. 

 

The OL on the right side was never fixed. They blow up that side of the line every time. Then, because of the right side, they key on the left putting an extra defender or two. The holes for McCoy are nonexistent. The rushing game is not clicking because they can't block anyone in front of them. Terrible OL play. 

 

We have all seen Tyrod. Most of us knew what he was while others pounded the table for him. He is not the guy. He still exhibits the same deficiencies that he has the last two years. He's a good guy, a hard worker, by all accounts a great teammate, and a decent game manager. He will never be a guy who carries a team with his arm. Peterman should at least be given the month of December to show what he's got. If he looks good then so be it. If not, we HAVE to identify our QB in the draft then make our move. 

 

The WR talent is now there with Matthews, Benjamin, Jones, Thompson, Holmes, and Clay (when healthy). We have guys who have and can be productive. This again falls on the QB and the OL. The OL has to give the QB time to throw and the QB has to be able to read a defense then deliver an on time ball to the right guy. 

 

Dennison's system is mainly short to intermediate timing routes with some deep passes mixed in off of play action. The emphasis is on an accurate QB who gets the ball out on time. A lot of times that QB is having to throw the ball to an opening where his guy will be, not waiting until your guy is open to throw it. None of these are strengths for Taylor. If the holes get filled the system will work. 

 

We all got our hopes up when we won a few. Now everyone is looking for a place to lay the blame. Blame who you want, but I don't see this as Dennison's failure. He does what he can to try to cover up Tyrod's weaknesses, but with 3 years of tape it's damn near impossible. 

 

I find Dennison resume before Buffalo quite underwhelming, surprised to see him get so much credit from you.  I find his performance here even more underwhelming to be honest.  

 

1.  We have mostly all the same pieces in place that allowed the Bills to be the #1 rushing team in the NFL both in yards and YPA the last 2 years with 2 different OC's.  He has somehow taken that and significantly reduced the strength of our offense.  

2.  He has been stubborn and predictable way too much and consistently calls us into 2nd and long, 3rd and long situations.  And for the love of all things holy, every third and long play feels like one of just 3 plays...a draw, a screen, or the same pass play that isn't working forcing a dump off over the middle to someone short.  

3.  There are times where he calling plays like Dick Juaron is in his head set advising him.

 

Just feels so vanilla, predictable, and stubborn far too often.  He has had moments that have been good, but he stays in these ruts far too long until its too late IMO.  

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Dennison's playbook

 

 

 

CBF

 

Can any of those 5 objects line up for the Bills o-line this Sunday?  They can hardly be a downgrade.  Basically all you need to know is on both Pass 1 and Pass 2 Tyrod doesn't take the primary read down the field.  He checks down to Tolbert for 3 yards.  

[thunderingsquid]

5 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Dennison's scheme is perfectly fine - but not for Tyrod Taylor. The offense that should be run is one like the Chiefs and Eagles do...if Dennison wants to keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, this team is destined to fail. He should start Peterman if he wants to run this offense. TT is being set up to fail. Just read this:

 

http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/something-has-change-offensively

 

I like Nate Geary a lot, very focused on what is going wrong and how to fix it.  He gets it.  Not like other WGR "personalities". 

[TheElectricCompany]

6 hours ago, JM57 said:

You clearly haven't watched the Chiefs lighting up the league for the last two years, have you? Screens, jet sweeps, all sorts of crazy stuff and it WORKS because their offensive coaches looked at what they had talent wise and created a playbook that suited them.

 

Meanwhile offensive Dick Jauron is running the same 10 plays over and over and over again, the same ones Kubiak and Shanahan before him have run for 30 years and wonders why it's getting stopped. 

The Chiefs simply line up better players than most defenses can defend. 

 

There are very, very few linebackers or safeties that can match up with Kelce. He's too big, strong and agile to shut down. There are even fewer corners and safeties who can keep up with Tyreek Hill. He can truly take the top off a defense and throw it in the trash.  Kareem Hunt is still a young pup, but he's looking like a player than can take it the distance every play, both running and catching the ball. Of course, the OL is playing well and their QB is slicing and dicing defenses this year. 

 

Schemes are important, but finding elite players than transcend scheme are much more important. There's only one offensive weapon (Lesean) who fits that mold right now, and it's reasonable to think that that his decline may be imminent. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by TheElectricCompany

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

or the same pass play that isn't working forcing a dump off over the middle to someone short.  

 

Nobody forces Tyrod to dump it off...... except for Tyrod of course.  

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

The Chiefs simply line up better players than most defenses can defend. 

 

There are very, very few linebackers or safeties that can match up with Kelce. He's too big, strong and agile to shut down. There are even fewer corners and safeties who can keep up with Tyreek Hill. Kareem Hunt is still a young pup, but he's looking like a player than can take it the distance every play. Of course, the OL is playing well and their QB is slicing and dicing defenses this year. 

 

Schemes are important, but finding elite players than transcend scheme are much more important. There's only one offensive weapon (Lesean) who fits that mold right now, and it's reasonable to think that that his decline may be imminent. 

 

This.  

[thunderingsquid]

7 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Schemes are important, but finding elite players than transcend scheme are much more important. There's only one offensive weapon (Lesean) who fits that mold right now, and it's reasonable to think that that his decline may be imminent. 

 

So why not get Chief-level creative and line him up in better situations, matchups?  It seems like half of us on this thread are in a talent camp and the other half are in a coaching matters camp. 

[TheElectricCompany]

6 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

 

So why not get Chief-level creative and line him up in better situations, matchups?  It seems like half of us on this thread are in a talent camp and the other half are in a coaching matters camp. 

Tell me what that looks like. Put him in the slot? Smoke screens at X or Z position? Jet sweeps? Screens between the tackles? 

Those are all cute, but he's a proven elite RB. Just put him in the backfield and give him 20 carries and 5 dumpoffs. 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2017 by TheElectricCompany

[cd1]

1 hour ago, Domdab99 said:

Dennison's scheme is perfectly fine - but not for Tyrod Taylor. The offense that should be run is one like the Chiefs and Eagles do...if Dennison wants to keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, this team is destined to fail. He should start Peterman if he wants to run this offense. TT is being set up to fail. Just read this:

 

http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/something-has-change-offensively

 

I have wondered if Dennison really DOES want Peterman. 

 

A smart person would know that the ONLY way you are going to get what you want is by injury or FAILURE.