billsfan_34 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 So, make the playoffs for the first time in 18 years, then promptly jettison the QB who got you there in favor of a much more expensive free agent? Gotcha... Careful with the spin please. We wont get far with Taylor- he is limited in many ways and has been discussed over and over. If you are happy with just the playoffs so be it. Personally, I want to win the big one and it wont happen with TT. Sad thing is I really like the guy and want him to succeed but he just cant stretch the field and has no anticipation in his throws. So yes, shame on me for wanting a top flight QB at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Rudolph & Rosen are the 2 currently at the top of my wish list. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Careful with the spin please. We wont get far with Taylor- he is limited in many ways and has been discussed over and over. If you are happy with just the playoffs so be it. Personally, I want to win the big one and it wont happen with TT. Sad thing is I really like the guy and want him to succeed but he just cant stretch the field and has no anticipation in his throws. So yes, shame on me for wanting a top flight QB at the helm. Here is a little news flash for you......franchise qbs are also not a slam dunk to the big one...... see Andrew Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I think our problem has been that we throw our rookie QBs into the fire too early and don't give them a chance to learn the behind the scenes stuff first. Then, they can just let the game come to them. Have them get used to the NFL for a year and then say let's see what ya got. This is a unique opportunity for Buffalo to give a young QB as many weapons as they want with all the draft picks they have. I wouldn't mind staying put and drafting Luke Falk...we could go into next season with Tyrod as the starter in the final year of his contract with Peterman the #2...Falk could have a red shirt first year to learn the system as the #3 QB and then compete with Peterman for starter in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Tyrod will be the starter next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Tyrod will be the starter next year. I think you may be right, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Good chance he could be one of the top 5 QBs this year. That could put a different spin on a lot of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Signing Cousins might not be possible...Bills dont have the best cap situation...who would you cut to make room for him? How would that affect the team, dead cap and otherwise? i think the plan is to draft well; 6 guys or so that can continue next year. There are several older or injured players to replace soon: Kyle, Lorenzo, Wood, Incognito, maybe Clay? Edited October 26, 2017 by Pablocruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Every year the follow QB class is better and the one coming up isn't so good, wash repeatSorry but this is a big pet peeve of mine on here. Thats just not true. Scouting is done a year out. The 2018 QB class was thought to be one of the best in forever. Thats in large part because of the depth of the class. Every group isnt the same. Thats just a lazy argument that people continue to make. Maybe the 2018 class hasnt lived up to its giant expectations but they arent all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Here is a little news flash for you......franchise qbs are also not a slam dunk to the big one...... see Andrew Luck Never said they were- Cousins has a large enough body of work to take the risk. Also, luck was well on his way until his line couldnt keep him upright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Sorry but this is a big pet peeve of mine on here. Thats just not true. Scouting is done a year out. The 2018 QB class was thought to be one of the best in forever. Thats in large part because of the depth of the class. Every group isnt the same. Thats just a lazy argument that people continue to make. Maybe the 2018 class hasnt lived up to its giant expectations but they arent all the same. Where I disagree with your take (and always have) is the issue shouldn't be about the class's overall talent and depth as it is whether you are in a position to select a good prospect even in a thin qb draft class. Would Watson been a good selection last year? I say yes. Would Dak Prescott or Carr been good selections? In all these examples the Bills were in a position to secure a good qb prospect. Of course there are no guarantees and never will be. But when you are an organization that hasn't had a franchise qb in a quarter century then there needs to be a more aggressive response to addressing that position compared to teams that already have a franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Where I disagree with your take (and always have) is the issue shouldn't be about the class's overall talent and depth as it is whether you are in a position to select a good prospect even in a thin qb draft class. Would Watson been a good selection last year? I say yes. Would Dak Prescott or Carr been good selections? In all these examples the Bills were in a position to secure a good qb prospect. Of course there are no guarantees and never will be. But when you are an organization that hasn't had a franchise qb in a quarter century then there needs to be a more aggressive response to addressing that position compared to teams that already have a franchise qb. Yes, John selecting a QB that turned out good is always a good idea. Carr had 3 QBs go ahead of him and Dak had 7 before him. You can always cherry pick a successful QB and say that we should have taken that guy. That is, and continues to be, an incredibly weak argument based entirely with the benefit of hindsight. You cant just pick the best guy out of a group and say, we could have had him. We could have had Kessler, Cook or Hackenberg too. Thats why a good QB class is important. Its a numbers game. If the class is deeper, in theory, the gap between the 3rd and 4th QB is much smaller than the gap from Dak to Sackenberg. The 2018 class was thought to have up to 7 QBs in round 1!! Thats not like the EJ draft. It may not end up as good as originally thought but the level of talent is still higher than most. The odds (very important word there) are better of hitting when the talent is deeper. Its all a crap shoot. We dont know how a guy will play until he plays so we have to use the information that we have prior to him playing to anticipate. Edited October 27, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yes, John selecting a QB that turned out good is always a good idea. Carr had 3 QBs go ahead of him and Dak had 7 before him. You can always cherry pick a successful QB and say that we should have taken that guy. That is, and continues to be, and incredibly weak argument based entirely with the benefit of hindsight. You cant just pick the best guy out of a group and say, we could have had him. We could have had Kessler, Cook or Hackenberg too. Thats why a good QB class is important. Its a numbers game. If the class is deeper, in theory, the gap between the 3rd and 4th QB is much smaller than the gap from Dak to Sackenberg. The 2018 class was thought to have up to 7 QBs in round 1!! Thats not like the EJ draft. It may not end up as good as originally thought but the level of talent is still higher than most. The odds (very important word there) are better of hitting when the talent is deeper. Its all a crap shoot. We dont know how a guy will play until he plays so we have to use the information that we have prior to him playing to anticipate. And I agree with your principle Kirby. I just think the 2017 class was better than the talking heads had it and was ALWAYS sceptical about the "2018 has 7 1st round QBs" line. If Darnold stays in school and the top 3 in this class end up Rosen, Rudolph, Mayfield I think there is a genuine question about whether the 2018 class really is better than the 2017 one (I know we won't know the final answer until a few years down the line). Any thought about punting on a QB in 2017 BECAUSE of the 2018 class was, to me, misguided. Now I don't believe that is actually what the Bills did.... I don't think McDermott wanted to take a shot until he had his guys in the personnel room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I think too many posters here ignore reality when they claim that the Bills haven't tried to get a QB in the draft. Drafting a QB isn't the same as drafting a WR or RB or OT. The nature of the position requires that the team have only 1 starting QB at a time, which means that when teams draft a first round QB, they aren't going to spend another high pick on another one until they figure out if the first one is a keeper. If they have a keeper, they aren't likely to draft a replacement until said starting QB is closing in on retirement. Furthermore, a mistake in drafting a high round QB usually has serious consequences. In 2002, the Bills traded a first round pick to get Drew Bledsoe, a proven starter who had been displaced by the much younger Tom Brady. This wouldn't have been a mistake if the Bills had invested in talent around him and kept him longer. They simply released him in 2005 because they wanted to start JP Losman (who was definitely not ready to play) and he went to Dallas to end his career. In 2004, they traded their 2005 first rounder, 2004 second rounder, and a fifth rounder to trade back into the first round to pick up JP Losman at #22. That was a mistake. It's likely Losman would have been around in the second, and if he wasn't, Matt Schaub lasted until the third, and he turned out to be a serviceable starter for several years. What was worse about trading up for Losman was that the Bills lost all chance to grab Aaron Rodgers who lasted until #24 in 2005 ... and the Bills 2005 pick would have been #18. They could have also taken Jason Campbell in 2005. Even in a "deep" QB class, ya gotta pick the right guy. Once the Bills had Losman, they weren't drafting another first round QB until they knew what they had in him. Economically, it wasn't even possible since there was no rookie salary scale at that time. Besides, who was there to pick? In 2006, the first rounders were Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and Jay Cutler. In 2007, JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the first rounders. The Bills did take Trent Edwards in the third, and Jauron wanted him as the starter so the Bills passed on Joe Flacco in 2008. 2009 saw Matthew Stafford at #1, Mark Sanchez at #5, and Josh Freeman at #18. Sam Bradford, at #1, was the only QB worth anything in the 2010 class. In 2011, a supposedly "great" QB class, Cam Newton went #1 followed by Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder. Like 2004, the Bills choices in this draft came back and bit them in the arse: they passed on AJ Green to take Dareus and they passed on Andy Dalton to take Aaron Williams whose career was shortened by injury. In 2012, the Bills might have traded up to get RG III but lucky for them, they didn't. Both Luck and Tannehill were gone before their turn. They traded up for TJ Graham rather than take Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins in the third. Like in 2004, ya gotta take the right guy! In 2013, the Bills decided to draft a first round QB well before the draft because they didn't want to pay Fitzpatrick, which in hindsight was probably foolish. The 2013 QB class was terrible, they missed two chances to break the Drought in 2013 and 2014 with better QB play, and they probably sank more $$ into QBs than if they had just kept Fitzy (they had to pay Manuel plus Kolb plus Orton) ... and they didn't draft Derek Carr in 2014 because they had Manuel. Basically, the Bills had realistic shots at good QBs in 2008, 2011, and 2012. Only 1 of those was a first rounder, so claiming that the Bills haven't been "aggressive" enough in pursuing a franchise QB simply ignores who was available and what constraints the Bills faced, some of their own making but most just by lack of opportunity. I'll account them "guilty" of missing badly on Wilson and Cousins in 2012, but then, so did much of the rest of the NFL. Hopefully, they won't repeat past mistakes in 2018 ... just don't repeat 2004 or 2013: picking a first round QB just to placate an unhappy fan base. Edited October 27, 2017 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I hear Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater and Jimmy Garoppolo are FA's next spring. just to name a few http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I hear Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater and Jimmy Garoppolo are FA's next spring. just to name a few http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/ Old, Bad, and Unproven? Edited October 27, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Old, Bad, and Unproven? 39 year old Drew Brees .... unproven? (at age sixty 39 is young) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) And I agree with your principle Kirby. I just think the 2017 class was better than the talking heads had it and was ALWAYS sceptical about the "2018 has 7 1st round QBs" line. If Darnold stays in school and the top 3 in this class end up Rosen, Rudolph, Mayfield I think there is a genuine question about whether the 2018 class really is better than the 2017 one (I know we won't know the final answer until a few years down the line). Any thought about punting on a QB in 2017 BECAUSE of the 2018 class was, to me, misguided. Now I don't believe that is actually what the Bills did.... I don't think McDermott wanted to take a shot until he had his guys in the personnel room. To your credit Gunner you banged the table for Watson. He looks like a stud. At the same time, Trubisky looks lost, Kizer is worse and Mahomes hasn't taken a snap so we have no idea on him. From the sound of it the Bills are disappointed in Peterman. My point is it has to be the guy not a guy. If the class is deeper the chances of the guy are greater. The depth of this class, still, IMO is greater. That holds especially true if guys come out. 39 year old Drew Brees .... unproven? (at age sixty 39 is young)Brees was old, Bridgewater bad and Jimmy G unproven Edited October 27, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Brees was old, Bridgewater bad and Jimmy G unproven I was fishing for the people who wanted all 3 here. Give it time, its still early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I was fishing for the people who wanted all 3 here. Give it time, its still early. I still love Brees (most underrated player of this generation). Edited October 27, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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