grb Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Yea Zay wasn't aware of how terrible of a pass was going to be coming his way lol Really? You actually need me explain it to you, very slowly and simply? (1) The problem with Jones' last play vs Carolina wasn't failing to make the catch, which would have been extremely difficult given his goofy play on the ball. (2) Nor was the problem simply Jones' route, though it was bad if the play was a front pylon route, and hideously bad if a back pylon route. (3) I presume the former, which meant Jones' route cheated a little to the outside and Taylor's throw a little to the inside. (4) But Taylor's throw led the play away from coverage and into the endzone. Jones' route was out of bounds and crowding the cornerback. But that wasn't the major problem either. (5) The problem was Jones didn't have a freak'n clue where the ball was until it was almost over his head. Yeah, run a flat out to the sidelines, turn, and you expect the ball to hit your hands. But receivers who run forty or fifty yards downfield don't assume that luxury. In the pros or college - or even damn high school - they're expected to get their head back and track the ball. Jones did everything wrong, was forced into a panicked twisted play on the ball, and still had it graze thru his hands. Locate the ball a bit sooner and his adjustment would have been microscopic; it would have looked effortless as he swept in for the score. Watkins would make that catch ten times out of ten. Any experienced receiver would. You don't even have to assume Taylor was throwing to the ideal spot, though that's certainly the way it appeared. Jones needs to know where the ball is before it's right on top of him. Edited November 2, 2017 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Thompson, McCoy, Clay (who's hurt currently), Thomas, Jones, Holmes. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't actually watch football. I mean Tyrod forced Holmes to make a tip toe sideline catch... when he was WIDE OPEN. Completely uncontested. If the ball was thrown properly, much like the Carolina game, that's a touchdown. Just watch the way receivers have to catch the ball, even when the ball is complete, and then watch a Chiefs game, or Brady, or Rodgers or any of the guys considered franchise QBs. I mean, Green Bay is proof that Rodgers isn't working with the best receivers in the game, he MAKES them good with precise passing. Perhaps you missed the defender in the corner of the endzone? Using the play to Holmes is ridiculous because it was on the money. Unless you are talking about Holmes being wide open in the middle of the endzone when Taylor was leaving the pocket already. Yeah a few elite guys have better ball placement. Huge news flash there. Edited November 2, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 absolutely agree with everything you say here. I also attribute a lot of the patriots success to Brady taking below market deals to increase the talent level around him. If teams want to emulate their success it starts there imo Not to mention taking money under the table... or you know side business with Kraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 If he ran the right route the throw was right on the money. All of the Bills players were consoling him after the game. And the next couple days. It very likely wasn't for dropping the ball. It was for blowing the play a few different ways. He ran the wrong route and he didn't track the ball well in the air. It was a good if not great pass. I don't disagree Zay ran the route badly. But the throw was not right where it needed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Perhaps you missed the defender in the corner of the endzone? Using the play to Holmes is ridiculous because it was on the money. Unless you are talking about Holmes being wide open in the middle of the endzone when Taylor was leaving the pocket already. Yeah a few elite guys have better ball placement. Huge news flash there. I think he might have been referring to the one where Holmes appeared to be all alone, wide open down the sideline later on in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I think he might have been referring to the one where Holmes appeared to be all alone, wide open down the sideline later on in the game. oh forgot about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Perhaps you missed the defender in the corner of the endzone? Using the play to Holmes is ridiculous because it was on the money. Unless you are talking about Holmes being wide open in the middle of the endzone when Taylor was leaving the pocket already. Yeah a few elite guys have better ball placement. Huge news flash there. When Taylor made a second's move in the pocket, that corresponded to Holmes being open on the middle of the back baseline. If Taylor hadn't made that move, there would have been an earlier & simpler throw at that moment. It's a bizarre thing to crow about, but whatever...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I think he might have been referring to the one where Holmes appeared to be all alone, wide open down the sideline later on in the game. Tyrod was late on that throw. It looked to me like he was about to tuck and run and saw Holmes late and decided to throw it and he threw off a shortened wind up motion (shows his arm strength to still be high). Another example I think of a small step. Not inconcieveable that Tyrod would have tucked and run in previous years. Seeing it and throwing it late is better than running for 8 yards rather than hitting a big play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I don't disagree Zay ran the route badly. But the throw was not right where it needed to be. We are not allowed to blame TT for these things Easy fellas just busting chops oh forgot about that one. say WHAT?? Its game day and I'm pumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Really? You actually need me explain it to you, very slowly and simply? (1) The problem with Jones' last play vs Carolina wasn't failing to make the catch, which would have been extremely difficult given his goofy play on the ball. (2) Nor was the problem simply Jones' route, though it was bad if the play was a front pylon route, and hideously bad if a back pylon route. (3) I presume the former, which meant Jones' route cheated a little to the outside and Taylor's throw a little to the inside. (4) But Taylor's throw led the play away from coverage and into the endzone. Jones' route was out of bounds and crowding the cornerback. But that wasn't the major problem either. (5) The problem was Jones didn't have a freak'n clue where the ball was until it was almost over his head. Yeah, run a flat out to the sidelines, turn, and you expect the ball to hit your hands. But receivers who run forty or fifty yards downfield don't assume that luxury. In the pros or college - or even damn high school - they're expected to get their head back and track the ball. Jones did everything wrong, was forced into a panicked twisted play on the ball, and still had it graze thru his hands. Locate the ball a bit sooner and his adjustment would have been microscopic; it would have looked effortless as he swept in for the score. Watkins would make that catch ten times out of ten. Any experienced receiver would. You don't even have to assume Taylor was throwing to the ideal spot, though that's certainly the way it appeared. Jones needs to know where the ball is before it's right on top of him. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) We are not allowed to blame TT for these things I think it was 60-40 on Zay. But to claim the ball was "right where it needed to be".... I just can't look at that play and see how that is the case. Zay is out of his break when Tyrod throws it. EDIT: I'll leave it there though.... no need to rehash week 2's arguments. We are on to the Jets. Edited November 2, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I think it was 60-40 on Zay. But to claim the ball was "right where it needed to be".... I just can't look at that play and see how that is the case. Zay is out of his break when Tyrod throws it. EDIT: I'll leave it there though.... no need to rehash week 2's arguments. We are on to the Jets. That's the Champions of Taylor for you. I posted 4 different images of Zay having to dive for the ball on what the CoT'ers call catchable balls. Funny thing is the person never ever replied to say he was wrong. I reposted the quote 3 times to make sure he saw it too. On to the NYETS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I posted 4 different images of Zay having to dive for the ball on what the CoT'ers call catchable balls. Uh huh. Again : If Jones had the slightest clue where the pass was no one would have even noticed the tweak to his (bad) route which and the resulting TD would have been flawless. To produce his "dive for the ball", Jones had to take a stutter step and jump straight up. With just a trace of ball awareness he could have ran it through and the pass would have dropped over his left shoulder. But he was so late tracking the pass his reaction was panicked; he actually slowed to jump. Did you really not see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Uh huh. Again : If Jones had the slightest clue where the pass was no one would have even noticed the tweak to his (bad) route which and the resulting TD would have been flawless. To produce his "dive for the ball", Jones had to take a stutter step and jump straight up. With just a trace of ball awareness he could have ran it through and the pass would have dropped over his left shoulder. But he was so late tracking the pass his reaction was panicked; he actually slowed to jump. Did you really not see that? please explain 3 for 3 Sunday make that 4/4 Zay caught one pass that was OOB (not his fault) Oh and per ESPN Zay was 3 for 5. the 5th was because Tyrod threw the ball away and Zay just happened to be the closest Bill to the ball 5 to 10 yards away. Edited November 2, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 We are not allowed to blame TT for these things Easy fellas just busting chops say WHAT?? Its game day and I'm pumped. I'm concerned that you are pumped. The Jets are playing 32D chess while this is just the same ole Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) please explain 3 for 3 Sunday make that 4/4 Zay caught one pass that was OOB (not his fault) Oh and per ESPN Zay was 3 for 5. the 5th was because Tyrod threw the ball away and Zay just happened to be the closest Bill to the ball 5 to 10 yards away. Really ?!? Is this a Cult of Zay thing? Please understand : I have nothing against Mr. Jones, who I'm sure is becoming a fine and accomplished receiver. All I did was describe what happened on one play, and that after only someone said I was mistaken about the play. You're welcome to put in your two cents too. I'm sure ZJ won't mind. Edited November 2, 2017 by grb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'm concerned that you are pumped. The Jets are playing 32D chess while this is just the same ole Bills. LOL My being pumped does concern me as well. With today's technology shouldn't we be up to 4K chess? thanks for your concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 LOL My being pumped does concern me as well. With today's technology shouldn't we be up to 4K chess? thanks for your concern Hmmm good point. I'm going to have to have a conference with Peterman about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Really ?!? Is this a Cult of Zay thing? Please understand : I have nothing against Mr. Jones, who I'm sure is becoming a fine and accomplished receiver. All I did was describe what happened on one play, and that after only someone said I was mistaken about the play. You're welcome to put in your two cents too. I'm sure ZJ won't mind. As did I. But this is not just one play. My point earlier was that I said Zay had to leap and or dive for some passes. I was told Zay never had to do that. The pictures I posted showed that he did. Zay started of BAD, he did Very Good Sunday. 4/4 was impressive compared to earlier weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) As did I. But this is not just one play. My point earlier was that I said Zay had to leap and or dive for some passes. I was told Zay never had to do that. The pictures I posted showed that he did. Zay started of BAD, he did Very Good Sunday. 4/4 was impressive compared to earlier weeks. so you were being difficult just for the sake of it i'm assuming? the nice ball tyrod tossed over his shoulder to him in the ATL game should have 100% been caught even though he had to stretch out for it. it was a drive killer on 3rd down at the end of the first half and the falcons proceeded to march down the field and score before halftime. I see what you're doing. you are arguing just for the sake of it. but just becuz a receiver has to stretch out for a ball doesn't mean it excuses the freaking blatant drop. sunday was good to see. but isn't it a little sad that anyone has to pump up the fact that he finally had a game where he didn't drop any passes? come on man. Edited November 2, 2017 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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