Which is most fair and right?

[Kelly the Dog]

Sorry Kelly. The comment that Kaepernick made publicly about " paid leave" showed his lack of knowledge on the very thing he was protesting about. That made him a simpleton in my book. I really don't care what he says because I know enough about it to say I don't agree with it at all. I understand why he thinks what he thinks ( he is ill informed for starters) , but I know he is pretty much incorrect. I actually know quite a bit about it. I'm not embarrassed about it at all. There is likely no changing his mind and I don't care to. I just don't want to hear his opinion or any other players that think like him. I don't think it makes me an ass. Do you see any counter protestors next to these guys? They're likely not interested in my rebuttal either.

No. The point is to learn something about him. He's not a malcontent. He's not a thug. He thought and talked about this for a year before he did it. He's an extremely smart guy. You may totally disagree with him and that would be cool if you spent any amount of real time researching from legitimate sources what he actually is doing and why he did it. He's a very smart guy. Saying he's a simpleton is just embarrassing.

 

And again, I'm a liberal and I don't think he ever should have done it. I'm not in favor. I don't think it's the right place. And I agree with what he is saying because I know where he is coming from. I hate all the liberal leaders. I hate when actors spout any politics at the Emmys or Oscars no matter whether I agree with them or not. I have voted for republicans. I'm not just someone who thinks this is the right thing to say or platform. But if you say Colin Kaepernick is a simpleton you couldn't be more wrong. He was a great student. He got a 38 on the wonderlic. He's not a gangsta or malcontent.

[Prickly Pete]

No. The point is to learn something about him. He's not a malcontent. He's not a thug. He thought and talked about this for a year before he did it. He's an extremely smart guy. You may totally disagree with him and that would be cool if you spent any amount of real time researching from legitimate sources what he actually is doing and why he did it. He's a very smart guy. Saying he's a simpleton is just embarrassing.

 

And again, I'm a liberal and I don't think he ever should have done it. I'm not in favor. I don't think it's the right place. And I agree with what he is saying because I know where he is coming from. I hate all the liberal leaders. I hate when actors spout any politics at the Emmys or Oscars no matter whether I agree with them or not. I have voted for republicans. I'm not just someone who thinks this is the right thing to say or platform. But if you say Colin Kaepernick is a simpleton you couldn't be more wrong. He was a great student. He got a 38 on the wonderlic. He's not a gangsta or malcontent.

 

You're too easily impressed.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

 

He is pretty sophisticated...

Absolutely perfect response. Kudos

[Kelly the Dog]

You're too easily impressed.

But tomorrow I will wake up and be a decent human and you will still be an ****.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

But tomorrow I will wake up and be a decent human and you will still be an ****.

No, you will be hate mongering lefty that will judge every white straight male you see as a threat. That's not a decent human being.

[Kelly the Dog]

No, you will be hate mongering lefty that will judge every white straight male you see as a threat. That's not a decent human being.

Why would I think of white straight males as a threat? I don't think of any straight white male as a threat.

 

Some are fukkheads. But they are not a threat in any way to me. I know whiny liberals and even some whiny conservatives think it is politically incorrect to use the word "retarded" but are you retarded?

[Mrbojanglezs]

Your first choice is liberals to a T.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Who's the one Stalin or Hitler?

Your first choice is liberals to a T.

Not really. Hitler was on Stalin's right.

 

Both extremes of political spectrum have their authoritarians.

 

The first choice sounds PC. Patriotically Correct, nationalism.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Who's the one Stalin or Hitler?

 

Not really. Hitler was on Stalin's right.

 

Both extremes of political spectrum have their authoritarians.

 

The first choice sounds PC. Patriotically Correct, nationalism.

Hitler was the leader of the socialist party.

[BringBackOrton]

One answer is best for the country.

 

The other answer is fair and American.

Correct!

[Mrbojanglezs]

Secondly today in America. If you don't share liberal views you are not allowed to speak at universities you are not allowed to speak your mind on Twitter and social media without being censored and banned, you can't be in Hollywood elite club etc.

 

Liberals are the most intolerant to polictal discourse

[BringBackOrton]

No. The point is to learn something about him. He's not a malcontent. He's not a thug. He thought and talked about this for a year before he did it. He's an extremely smart guy. You may totally disagree with him and that would be cool if you spent any amount of real time researching from legitimate sources what he actually is doing and why he did it. He's a very smart guy. Saying he's a simpleton is just embarrassing.

 

And again, I'm a liberal and I don't think he ever should have done it. I'm not in favor. I don't think it's the right place. And I agree with what he is saying because I know where he is coming from. I hate all the liberal leaders. I hate when actors spout any politics at the Emmys or Oscars no matter whether I agree with them or not. I have voted for republicans. I'm not just someone who thinks this is the right thing to say or platform. But if you say Colin Kaepernick is a simpleton you couldn't be more wrong. He was a great student. He got a 38 on the wonderlic. He's not a gangsta or malcontent.

A 38 on the Wonderlic?

 

Next, you're going to tell me he knows his shapes and colors better than the rest of the preschool too!

[Azalin]

Anyone bitching that players kneeling is unAmerican, or is somehow disgracing the flag by kneeling is unAmerican, or other people that have a different life experience with or opinion on racism is wrong, or who genuinely believe this is a systemic problem is being an idiot.

 

So basically anyone who takes up a contrary point of view to yours is being an idiot. Well, that's certainly not hypocritical.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Hitler was the leader of the socialist party.

And we are more socialist than you want to believe. We are a hybrid of captialism. So was Nazi Germany. Corporations existed in Nazi Germany.

[DC Tom]

Hitler was the leader of the socialist party.

 

Of a socialist party. Specifically, a right-wing nationalist, socialist party. As opposed to left-wing socialist, globalist Communists and Social Democrats.

 

Keep pretending you have some !@#$ing clue what you're talking about and are making a point, though.

[OGTEleven]

By saying Kaepernick is a simpleton you have shown you know nothing about this. Zero. And you embarrass yourself further by saying you don't even care what he says. And I'm not even in favor of him. I think he's wrong. You're just an ass because you refuse to try to understand why people think different.

 

Which, again, is the purpose of the poll.

 

 

i don't agree with the way he chose to protest but it is his choice to make, not mine. I think his point is that cops mentally lump people into groups based on skin color and treat them differently. But if that is the case then he should have done a better job explaining it.

 

He knelt at the anthem, which is a symbol for the ideals of America. It was a way of getting attention. Personally I think it was a good first step to get some attention and have a platform for his message. It could have had a positive impact, but after that he could have said something pointing out that we are falling short of our ideals and that the Ferguson shooting was an example of this. Personally, I see Ferguson as a singular incident so I would have disagreed with him there, but fully understood what he was trying to do.

 

Whether he intended to do so nor not, his message seemed more an attack on the ideals themselves. The pig socks, clearly lumped people (cops) into a group based on their profession. To me, it was an odd way of protesting people being categorized based on a single trait and seemed more like picking a fight (still does).

 

The praise of Castro and the t-shirt of Che also seem like more of a questioning of American ideals than a path toward achieving those ideals. All of these things are still his right, but I think his message is way off base. How many million dollar quarterbacks are there in Cuba? I get that they like baseball more. Why do their players defect here? Had he been a star baseball player in Cuba and knelt for their anthem in protest of the imprisonment of dissidents based on their single trait of dissent, what might have happened to him?

 

I will give him the benefit of the doubt with respect to his message, but he delivered his message very poorly in my opinion. He isn't the only one to do so, but his protest was definitely a pivot point that led us to yesterday.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

 

i don't agree with the way he chose to protest but it is his choice to make, not mine. I think his point is that cops mentally lump people into groups based on skin color and treat them differently. But if that is the case then he should have done a better job explaining it.

 

He knelt at the anthem, which is a symbol for the ideals of America. It was a way of getting attention. Personally I think it was a good first step to get some attention and have a platform for his message. It could have had a positive impact, but after that he could have said something pointing out that we are falling short of our ideals and that the Ferguson shooting was an example of this. Personally, I see Ferguson as a singular incident so I would have disagreed with him there, but fully understood what he was trying to do.

 

Whether he intended to do so nor not, his message seemed more an attack on the ideals themselves. The pig socks, clearly lumped people (cops) into a group based on their profession. To me, it was an odd way of protesting people being categorized based on a single trait and seemed more like picking a fight (still does).

 

The praise of Castro and the t-shirt of Che also seem like more of a questioning of American ideals than a path toward achieving those ideals. All of these things are still his right, but I think his message is way off base. How many million dollar quarterbacks are there in Cuba? I get that they like baseball more. Why do their players defect here? Had he been a star baseball player in Cuba and knelt for their anthem in protest of the imprisonment of dissidents based on their single trait of dissent, what might have happened to him?

 

I will give him the benefit of the doubt with respect to his message, but he delivered his message very poorly in my opinion. He isn't the only one to do so, but his protest was definitely a pivot point that led us to yesterday.

There's also the fact that Ferguson was a good shoot, and is a fantastic example of everything that is wrong with Kaepernick's protest.

 

Michael Brown assaulted a police officer, and attempted to take his gun, after an officer attempted to stop him in connection with a strong armed robbery he had just committed. Michael Brown was not a victim. Michael Brown was a piece of **** who got exactly what he deserved.

 

The amount of disconnect or dishonesty required to build a movement around someone like that is staggering, and anything that comes from supporting such a movement will be ugly.

[OGTEleven]

There's also the fact that Ferguson was a good shoot, and is a fantastic example of everything that is wrong with Kaepernick's protest.

 

Michael Brown assaulted a police officer, and attempted to take his gun, after an officer attempted to stop him in connection with a strong armed robbery he had just committed. Michael Brown was not a victim. Michael Brown was a piece of **** who got exactly what he deserved.

 

The amount of disconnect or dishonesty required to build a movement around someone like that is staggering, and anything that comes from supporting such a movement will be ugly.

 

 

I should have added another sentence about the Brown shooting because from everything I saw, it seemed justified and an odd choice of a protest topic. Again, it is still his right. I'm not a huge fan of the term good shoot but I get what you mean.

 

I'll give Kaepernick a bit of a break on that one though. These stories get so distorted and oversimplified that someone can fall into a trap believing an incorrect narrative. I think there are a lot of people out there that actually believe cops are going around looking for black people to shoot. I don't agree but that doesn't really matter.

 

I don't think the people that believe this do so out of some sort of evil intent. More black kids are getting shot, per capita, than white kids. The assumption made is that skin color is the reason for this and I find that unproven at best. There is a gigantic mix of things that leads to any shooting. If you stripped out skin color and looked at intoxication, economic standing of the person shot and circumstances of the shooting, my guess is that the numbers some close to evening out. Did some cop in some shooting pull the trigger faster due to the race of the person? Probably. Is it an epidemic to the point that cop pig socks is a valid point? Not in my opinion. Those were very stupid.

 

I think all of the factors that led to the shootings combine to make the disease and that the shootings themselves are a symptom. I think that the American ideal of equality is a big part of the cure. If Kaepernick's protest was an attempt to tell us that we're not living up to these ideals then he delivered his message poorly. If he thinks the ideals are somehow the flawed part, then he should articulate his desired ideals. Starting with Castro digs him enough of a hole for me that I'd rather use my time listening to other people's ideas, but he still has the right to say it.

 

I don't think he should lose a job or be passed over for one based on his beliefs, whatever they are. But then again I don't own an NFL team and if I did I probably wouldn't have been thrilled with his girlfriend calling one of my peers a slave owner.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

 

I should have added another sentence about the Brown shooting because from everything I saw, it seemed justified and an odd choice of a protest topic. Again, it is still his right. I'm not a huge fan of the term good shoot but I get what you mean.

 

I'll give Kaepernick a bit of a break on that one though. These stories get so distorted and oversimplified that someone can fall into a trap believing an incorrect narrative. I think there are a lot of people out there that actually believe cops are going around looking for black people to shoot. I don't agree but that doesn't really matter.

 

I don't think the people that believe this do so out of some sort of evil intent. More black kids are getting shot, per capita, than white kids. The assumption made is that skin color is the reason for this and I find that unproven at best. There is a gigantic mix of things that leads to any shooting. If you stripped out skin color and looked at intoxication, economic standing of the person shot and circumstances of the shooting, my guess is that the numbers some close to evening out. Did some cop in some shooting pull the trigger faster due to the race of the person? Probably. Is it an epidemic to the point that cop pig socks is a valid point? Not in my opinion. Those were very stupid.

 

I think all of the factors that led to the shootings combine to make the disease and that the shootings themselves are a symptom. I think that the American ideal of equality is a big part of the cure. If Kaepernick's protest was an attempt to tell us that we're not living up to these ideals then he delivered his message poorly. If he thinks the ideals are somehow the flawed part, then he should articulate his desired ideals. Starting with Castro digs him enough of a hole for me that I'd rather use my time listening to other people's ideas, but he still has the right to say it.

 

I don't think he should lose a job or be passed over for one based on his beliefs, whatever they are. But then again I don't own an NFL team and if I did I probably wouldn't have been thrilled with his girlfriend calling one of my peers a slave owner.

Blacks are not shot more often by police officers though, they are shot less frequently than whites in similar situations.

[OGTEleven]

Blacks are not shot more often by police officers though, they are shot less frequently than whites in similar situations.

 

 

Is there a link for that? I'm aware that more whites have been killed by police bullets but there are also more white people overall. The back and forth on this stuff with battling statistics is not productive.

 

If Colin Kaepernick feels that blacks are being targeted he should be expected to articulate why. If he uses good arguments people should listen, if he uses hyperbole, generalities and feelings then he should be ignored. The truth is what should matter as should striving to achieve our goals as a society. If the truth turns someone's argument to mush, then that person should eat a little humble pie and/or try to communicate better.