BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 You've made it well known...repeatedly, that he's a bum that was drafted for his pass rushing prowess and hasn't done jack in his career to this point( 3 starts,lol) and its been pointed out...repeatedly, that he was drafted as a run stuffing DE who hussles and gets clean up sacks. That sounds EXACTLY what his coaches think of him. Solid run defender/edge setter, 6-8 sacks a year,until he picks up the finer nuances of the game and can increase his sack totals=worthy of the #19 overall draft pick. Wrong. I said he and Ragnuts were "uninspired" picks......not bums.......because it's a passing league and your early picks.......and the big free agent dollars........go to players that greatly impact the passing game. It's interesting that you think Shaq is just a "clean up sack" guy and yet you think he's going to get 8 sacks that way? Do you follow the NFL?.......cheapies like yesterdays vulture sack are few and far between.......literally. His pass rush game is going to have to come along. He's even getting some one on one opportunities in pass rush against guards.......he's gotta' do more with them........hence Frazier's take that his pass rush game is just "coming along". Said it since they drafted him.......I'd love to be wrong about it but he lacks some basics as a pass rusher and he's going to have to find a way to get better........being a good run defender is not enough in this scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 Agreed on highlighted but did he even have a QB pressure yesterday? I can't remember one..........and that's saying something because Newton was under a non-stop assault. On the sack Shaq got.......he was the ONLY GUY THAT WAS BLOCKED......it was a vulture sack. Let's be clear folks.......I never said Shaq sucked but he's yet to be anything noteworthy as a pass rusher. He had around three pressures plus a sack. So obviously you either (a) didn't watch the game, or (b) have no idea what you're watching I think there's a clear difference between getting a clean up sack because a QB is trying to avoid the other pass-rushers getting pressure versus getting the pressure yourself. Don't you? You realize that most registered sacks are a result of a QB trying to avoid another pass-rusher, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) You realize that most registered sacks are a result of a QB trying to avoid another pass-rusher, right? I'd LOVE to see that link. Edited September 19, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Wrong. I said he and Ragnuts were "uninspired" picks......not bums.......because it's a passing league and your early picks.......and the big free agent dollars........go to players that greatly impact the passing game. It's interesting that you think Shaq is just a "clean up sack" guy and yet you think he's going to get 8 sacks that way? Do you follow the NFL?.......cheapies like yesterdays vulture sack are few and far between.......literally. His pass rush game is going to have to come along. He's even getting some one on one opportunities in pass rush against guards.......he's gotta' do more with them........hence Frazier's take that his pass rush game is just "coming along". Said it since they drafted him.......I'd love to be wrong about it but he lacks some basics as a pass rusher and he's going to have to find a way to get better........being a good run defender is not enough in this scheme. Never once did i say he is "jyst a clean up sack guy". I have said that due to his setting of the edge, he winds up with clean up sacks. Meaning, of course, blitzers have moved the pocket, forced a qb to scramble, and bang,there's good ole Shaq! Im all for him improving his pass rush, but for what he is now, and while at school, the kid was worth his draft pick! He is solid, if not spectacular. And those guys all around the league get those sacks and/or TFL...which he also had yesterday. He's not a bum, but I agree he's no Bruce. Hughes had ten, but did he set the edge like Shaq? So, who's the better DE? A 10 sack guy who dont stop the run like Shaq, or a 6-8 sack guy who is a beast against the run? Either of those work for me, and definately related to their draft slot👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 He had around three pressures plus a sack. So obviously you either (a) didn't watch the game, or (b) have no idea what you're watching You realize that most registered sacks are a result of a QB trying to avoid another pass-rusher, right? I suspect you made up that pressure stat.......I'm all for knowing how many he had......but "around three" sounds a bit indecisive. And no........we don't realize that most sacks are the second hand variety......because that is totally fabricated. You are fast becoming one of our village idiots with these peculiar takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I suspect you made up that pressure stat.......I'm all for knowing how many he had......but "around three" sounds a bit indecisive. And no........we don't realize that most sacks are the second hand variety......because that is totally fabricated. You are fast becoming one of our village idiots with these peculiar takes. I haven't seen such a meteoric rise and fall since.....Shaq Lawson? The more pressure you have, the more sacks you're going to have. It goes hand in hand. It's not as if Rex told the players "when you get close to the quarterback, stop before you sack him". Come on, now. If only the NFL were a five-game season. No Wayne! The more pressures a player has, the more sacks his teammate is going to have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Like i thougbt he worked his way into a sack. I expect for the next couple of weeks that is what to expect. The defense played great. So far so good on that side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Like i thougbt he worked his way into a sack. I expect for the next couple of weeks that is what to expect. The defense played great. So far so good on that side of the ball. The D played well in the redzone and had a good stretch of decent play in the second half but Carolina offense DOMINATED the pace of play TOP with killer long drives. Bills really had no business being one poor pass route from a victory.........but they got some bounces and Jauron ball almost paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Shaq is a beast - still can't believe he dropped to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I suspect you made up that pressure stat.......I'm all for knowing how many he had......but "around three" sounds a bit indecisive. PFF had him at 2 and a sack I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 I'd LOVE to see that link. A link to the games? All-22 is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 I suspect you made up that pressure stat.......I'm all for knowing how many he had......but "around three" sounds a bit indecisive. And no........we don't realize that most sacks are the second hand variety......because that is totally fabricated. You are fast becoming one of our village idiots with these peculiar takes. Do you not watch the games? I'm serious right now. You sound like a guy who either doesn't bother to watch or doesn't know what's going on. According to PFF Shaq had two pressures plus his sack. So a third could probably be debateable. Maybe they're making it up, though "Most" is probably an exaggeration but it's a team sport. Do you really think all sacks are a result of a 1 on 1 victory for the defender over the blocker? Do you not recognize overage sacks or sacks in which the quarterback avoids one tackler and the other tackler benefits? Is that a difficult concept for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 my god Baldo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 A link to the games? All-22 is available. No, a link to your complete asspull that most sacks are caused by other rushers pressures. Please and thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 No, a link to your complete asspull that most sacks are caused by other rushers pressures. Please and thanks. This might help your understanding of my point ... http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/defense-film-study-nfl/2017/01/09/2016-contextualizing-sack-production-results/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 PFF had him at 2 and a sack I read. It was by far his best game as a pro and there were pass rushers buzzing around Newton like flies on sh*t but I honestly can't remember a play where Newton was in imminent danger of being hit by Lawson. On the sack, he never even got off the LOS and just touched Newton as he curled up. Did they give him a pressure on the play where Newton scrambled right and Shaq was still at the LOS and despite the angle Cam ran past him like a traffic cone for a big run? I didn't expect him to make that play but giving him a pressure for it would seem a might generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I don't have the breakdown. They credited Jerry with 2 sacks and 4 hurries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 It was by far his best game as a pro and there were pass rushers buzzing around Newton like flies on sh*t but I honestly can't remember a play where Newton was in imminent danger of being hit by Lawson. On the sack, he never even got off the LOS and just touched Newton as he curled up. Did they give him a pressure on the play where Newton scrambled right and Shaq was still at the LOS and despite the angle Cam ran past him like a traffic cone for a big run? I didn't expect him to make that play but giving him a pressure for it would seem a might generous. #BADOL logic "I can't remember" = never happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Gotta give Whaley credit for Lawson. One of his few good picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Gotta give Whaley credit for Lawson. One of his few good picks.One of his few? Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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