BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 LOL Lets pretend that something like this (FAKE NEWS) never happens in sports - AdamS tweets - An anonymous source inside (team X) has told me that they are in trade negotiations with Buffalo for TT. You mean like the Jets? link Or the Browns? link1 link 2 Or the 49ers? link And no, nobody was trading for him. They wanted to go forward with their own deals. Contracts absolutely do reflect roster roles. If a team had strong enough feelings on a player it would be expressed through their contract offerings. You don't think that if a team that was serious in wanting him it would have offered him an appealing contract that would have enticed him to leave the Bills, an organization that demanded a reduction in salary to stay? No team gave him that type of offer. The reason why TT wasn't released was because he took a reduction in salary. There were plenty of teams that could have theoretically offered him more if they wanted him. They didn't. TT for them, as for us, is a bridge qb. He had value up to a point. And what is telling is that no team, including the Bills, was foolish enough to go beyond the point with their offerings. We can go in circles until the sun goes down. The reality is he stayed with his team under a reduced contract. Were other teams interested in him? Probably so. But that's not a big deal because marginal qbs have a value up to a point. And no team was going to go beyond a reasonable discount price to sign him. The market spoke and TT responded to it. So you meant to say he isn't a long term solution for anyone at QB and you accidentally said no team was interested in him as a starter. It's an understandable mistake, but it doesn't change that the statement I took issue with was false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Do you understand that teams can't have made a public response? Whatever teams were interested in him and whatever discussions were had it would have been private, and it technically would have been against the rules too. We don't know what happened behind the scenes, you're just making assumptions. I and others have answered this question on many occasions. Technically you are right that he was under contract. That doesn't mean that agents and their surrogates can't find out what other teams would offer him if he was available. It was well known that the Bills were not going to keep him under his original deal. His agents had a notion of how much they wanted him for. So they had a price range to work with when checking out the market. Although contract boundaries are being technically stretched by making inquiries about values on players it happens all the time. It's part of the business landscape. One of the most important functions of an agent is find out what a player's value is. Whether you want to believe it or not agents do find ways to reconnoiter the market, even if it is technically impermissible. When it comes to dollars and cents purity is not a virtue strictly adhered to. You mean like the Jets? link Or the Browns? link1 link 2 Or the 49ers? link And no, nobody was trading for him. They wanted to go forward with their own deals. So you meant to say he isn't a long term solution for anyone at QB and you accidentally said no team was interested in him as a starter. It's an understandable mistake, but it doesn't change that the statement I took issue with was false. No team was willing to pay the price for him to be their starter. All teams scan the market for available players. They place a value on each prospective player. Not one team was willing to pay beyond what they thought was good value. The market spoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) You mean like the Jets? link Or the Browns? link1 link 2 Or the 49ers? link And no, nobody was trading for him. They wanted to go forward with their own deals. So you meant to say he isn't a long term solution for anyone at QB and you accidentally said no team was interested in him as a starter. It's an understandable mistake, but it doesn't change that the statement I took issue with was false. These are proof of what JohnC and I have been saying. No team was interested in making a TRADE for TT. The only interest was if he was tossed to the curb. One mans junk is another mans treasure. Jets link 1) IF released, not prior. 2) from Vic C not a Jets insider Same link - According to the report, the 49ers and Browns are also expected to pursue Taylor if on the open market. Link1 League sources said the Browns have significant interest in Taylor as a free agent. Link2 The Buffalo Bills plan to cut quarterback Tyrod Taylor this week, according to a report, and if that happens he could quickly find a new home with the Browns. The 3rd link, Those three teams have already expressed interest according to Vic Carucci of The Buffalo News. The Jets are one of three teams to have known interest in signing Bills QB Tyrod Taylor if he is released by Buffalo, according to Vic Carruci of the Buffalo News. All of those were based on Vic C's assumption. Edited June 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 The nerve of a Sports Reporter having an opinion, you would think he was a poster on TBD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) These are proof of what JohnC and I have been saying. No team was interested in making a TRADE for TT. The only interest was if he was tossed to the curb. JohnC started with there were no starting opportunities in the league other than Buffalo. This is pulled from post #66 made by him: You and many others continue to make the argument that he was an attractive qb option for a number of qb starved teams. The reality is that when he had the opportunity to pursue other options no team was interested in him at his former salary or even at a lower salary rate. The stark reality is he took a salary cut with a shorter term because he had no other offers. If you believe that there is still potential for him, even with his glaring limitations, then so be it. What I am saying in a declarative manner is that when he had an opportunity to avail himself to the market there were no takers. Edited June 29, 2017 by section122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 JohnC started with there were no starting opportunities in the league other than Buffalo. This is pulled from post #66 made by him: You and many others continue to make the argument that he was an attractive qb option for a number of qb starved teams. The reality is that when he had the opportunity to pursue other options no team was interested in him at his former salary or even at a lower salary rate. The stark reality is he took a salary cut with a shorter term because he had no other offers. If you believe that there is still potential for him, even with his glaring limitations, then so be it. What I am saying in a declarative manner is that when he had an opportunity to avail himself to the market there were no takers. it comes down to semantics Why wouldn't any QB starved team not want to go into trade negotiations if they really were that interested in Taylor ? a) These teams has the same opportunity to chase TT and rework a deal. None of them did, b) Even if (as stated) 3 teams had an interest in TT when Buffalo dumped him, there was no guarantee he would be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 You're 100% wrong on this. Trades are one thing but teams are not permitted to speak to players under contract with another team, so no there would be no reports in this case. I don't know how else to explain it. This is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Who is at fault in the second Miami game?Erratic-the defense was bad against the better teams. period.The offense did enough for a WC berth. The D blew it with 10 men etc. But on the play before the missed FG by Carp in OT, Hotrod missed Goodwin in the EZ. Hotrod has plenty of blame to shoulder on missing a WC berth as well and I'm a Hotrod guy. 1st and goal for the win vs Hawks comes to mind also. Edited June 29, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) The D blew it with 10 men etc. But on the play before the missed FG by Carp in OT, Hotrod missed Goodwin in the EZ. Hotrod has plenty of blame them shoulder on missing a WC berth as well. 1st and goal for the win vs Hawks comes to mind as well. don't let facts cloud his delusion. 2 offensive series by Buffalo in OT yet the Defense lost the game Edited June 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I don't read the BN. Haven't since the 90s so !@#$ em. !@#$ em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Man you're fast! Don't let facts confuse you too. Hotrod hits Goodwin in the EZ WE WIN! Next week vs Jets he starts and a win ends the drought. It was a team loss. Shady won't discuss the final minute of the game when we got the lead and the defense/ST blew it. Nor will he discuss the Bush reverse call in OT and the missed FG. Nor the 10 men on defense after that. he blames it all on TT which is why his delusional posting is agenda worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Man you're fast! Don't let facts confuse you too. Hotrod hits Goodwin in the EZ WE WIN! Next week vs Jets he starts and a win ends the drought. It was a team loss. We were 7 win team because our offense, defense, & STs weren't good enough. People need to stop pretending like every unit on the team didn't play a part in missing the playoffs. What's next? Give win loss records to different positions? Our rbs were 14-2 but our Ss were 3-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 We were 7 win team because our offense, defense, & STs weren't good enough. People need to stop pretending like every unit on the team didn't play a part in missing the playoffs. What's next? Give win loss records to different positions? Our rbs were 14-2 but our Ss were 3-13. Blaming the offense for that second Miami game is weak. You get the lead with a minute left at home, you should win the game. Once again with the seven win thing when the starting QB did not play the last game. the team quit the last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Blaming the offense for that second Miami game is weak. You get the lead with a minute left at home, you should win the game. Once again with the seven win thing when the starting QB did not play the last game. the team quit the last game. We lost to the Jets in week 2 so let's not pretend it was a gimmie W. And I don't blame Tyrod for the 2nd Miami game. Possibly his best ever game for us. But he played a bigger part in the first Miami game than you want to believe. He was terrible in the opener which could have been a season changed. We were a 7 win team because we weren't good enough all the way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Man you're fast! Don't let facts confuse you too. Hotrod hits Goodwin in the EZ WE WIN! Next week vs Jets he starts and a win ends the drought. It was a team loss. say what? Hello left field. The subject at hand was the OT loss to Miami You said -- Hotrod hits Goodwin in the EZ WE WIN! and there would be no reason to blame the defense That good sir was the topic As to the WC. There would have been a 4 way tie at 9-7 between Buff, Mia, Tenny and Denver Points differential Denver + 36, Buff + 21 Edited June 29, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 We lost to the Jets in week 2 so let's not pretend it was a gimmie W. And I don't blame Tyrod for the 2nd Miami game. Possibly his best ever game for us. But he played a bigger part in the first Miami game than you want to believe. He was terrible in the opener which could have been a season changed. We were a 7 win team because we weren't good enough all the way around. That Jets team at the end was not the same Jets team from week two. That was really a shameful loss, but the good that came out of it was that it was EJs last game in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 That Jets team at the end was not the same Jets team from week two. That was really a shameful loss, but the good that came out of it was that it was EJs last game in Buffalo. Agreed. Now that EJ is gone, all of our problems will be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Agreed. Now that EJ is gone, all of our problems will be solved. He was terrible and should have been gone sooner. look at post 177. That Shady guy will say anything not to blame the defense for that second Miami game.he doesn't want to blame the defense for anything in that game. And your going to tell me he doesn't have an agenda going on. Sure thing. one minute left with momentum on their side, a should be win the next week, and the defense, ST blew it. carpenter misses a FG in OT, the defense has ten men on the field and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 JohnC started with there were no starting opportunities in the league other than Buffalo. This is pulled from post #66 made by him: You and many others continue to make the argument that he was an attractive qb option for a number of qb starved teams. The reality is that when he had the opportunity to pursue other options no team was interested in him at his former salary or even at a lower salary rate. The stark reality is he took a salary cut with a shorter term because he had no other offers. If you believe that there is still potential for him, even with his glaring limitations, then so be it. What I am saying in a declarative manner is that when he had an opportunity to avail himself to the market there were no takers. Name the team that gave him an offer. None did. No team made him an offer that matched his original contract. None. He took a reduction in salary and term in order to stay with the team he was with. That is a fact. How do you measure actual interest? By how much another team was willing to give him. Sure there were teams interesting in exploring him as an option. What materialized? No tangible offers were made. If there were then state which team made him an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 The defense/ST holds for one minute and we are looking at a 9 win team, not seven. But Rex could still be here too if that had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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