SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Would you apply that logic to the Colts or Saints? Disclaimer: not saying Tyrod is better than either of those QB's. Just suggesting that maybe the other guys on the team are a little important too. I had already made a comment on the Saints a page or 2 back. Andrew Luck He's in the same situation Peyton was in. Not enough of a supporting cast. On that note ... imo both Andrew and Drew are far better than TT. Put either Luck or Drew on the Bills and it's a lock to make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 still dueling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Ahh I love Maury's pantsing argument. Tyrod pantsed more teams than rivers and just as many as Brees therefore they're equal Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Let me go !! Tyrod > Brees and Rivers and Eli !! Goodnight. I'm off to Ruby Tuesdays for croutons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I had already made a comment on the Saints a page or 2 back. Andrew Luck He's in the same situation Peyton was in. Not enough of a supporting cast. On that note ... imo both Andrew and Drew are far better than TT. Put either Luck or Drew on the Bills and it's a lock to make the playoffs. Watkins and McCoy have missed a total of 16 games combined since TT has been QB. seems like his supporting cast hasn't been on the field for him many times-esp Watkins. Just like that, the Bills can get a QB like Brees or Luck. Didn't know it was that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I also took a look at scoring in wins vs. losses over the past 2 years (while looking into some KC stuff). I actually did find an interesting trend that I don't like while looking, FWIW. First off, in our 15 Wins over the past 2 years: Bills PPG: 27.1 Opponents PPG: 14.5 In our losses over the past 2 years: Bills PPG: 21.9 (including 3 games with EJ/Cardale for a quarter) Opponents PPG: 30.5 So there is about a 5 point swing in our Offense's production between wins and losses, but a 16 point swing in what our D gives up between our wins and losses. Seems crazy! Also, over the past 2 years our Defense has allowed 24+ points 14 times. We are 0-14 in those games. We are 15-3 in games where our opponents were held to 23 or fewer points. We suck at shootouts, clearly. And to my point with KC, their Defense has allowed 24+ points 8 times over the past 2 years. We allowed 8 such games last season alone. Why would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Why would that be? The offense is built for the run, not shootouts. This was Ryan's plan before TT was ever the starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 The offense is built for the run, not shootouts. This was Ryan's plan before TT was ever the starting QB. or the QB just isn't capable of getting the job done, and it was the superior running game as to why the Bills scored the amount of points the did. It's the NFL 2017 version where everyone scores and scores a lot, QB needed who can pass and win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 The offense is built for the run, not shootouts. This was Ryan's plan before TT was ever the starting QB. ....and he let the WORLD know with ONE stallion in the stable....31 GM's league wide started wearing Depends after this clown's proclamation............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Ahh I love Maury's pantsing argument. Tyrod pantsed more teams than rivers and just as many as Brees therefore they're equal Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Let me go !! Tyrod > Brees and Rivers and Eli !! Goodnight. I'm off to Ruby Tuesdays for croutons You said it! Based on your pantsing method he is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 or the QB just isn't capable of getting the job done, and it was the superior running game as to why the Bills scored the amount of points the did. It's the NFL 2017 version where everyone scores and scores a lot, QB needed who can pass and win games. The Bills offense was top ten in points scored in 2016. And this was the plan-strong defense, strong running game, a QB who limits turnovers and can manage the game. This is Roman's offense. ....and he let the WORLD know with ONE stallion in the stable....31 GM's league wide started wearing Depends after this clown's proclamation............. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Would you apply that logic to the Colts or Saints? Disclaimer: not saying Tyrod is better than either of those QB's. Just suggesting that maybe the other guys on the team are a little important too. Because I like Tyrod, stats, and the Bills I ran some more numbers, this time with the Bills, the Saints, the Colts, the Ravens, and the Chargers. Average Points Scored and Allowed in Wins: Bills: 27.1 - 14.5 Saints: 34.9 - 26.6 Colts: 27.8 - 19.3 Ravens: 23.9 - 16.5 Chargers: 31.1 - 22.1 Average Points Scored and Allowed in Losses: Bills: 21.9 - 30.5 Saints: 21.6 - 30.9 Colts: 18.7 - 30.7 Ravens: 18.9 - 26.7 Chargers: 19.6 - 27.0 Offensive and Defensive Swing between Wins and Losses: Bills: O: 5.2 D: -16.0 (Consistent Offensive production, Jekyll & Hyde Defense) Saints: O: 13.2 D: -4.3 (Jekyll & Hyde Offense, Consistently Bad Defense) Colts: O: 9.1 D: -11.4 (Only 1 side of the ball shows up on any given week) Ravens: O: 5.0 D: -10.3 (Consistent, but low Offensive Production, Inconsistent, but solid Defense) Chargers: O: 11.5 D: -4.9 (Inconsistent Offensive Production, Consistently below average Defense) 24+ Allowed Win %; 23 or less Allowed Win %: Bills: 0.00%; 83.33% Saints: 28.57%; 72.73% Colts: 27.78%; 78.57% Ravens: 16.67%; 71.43% Chargers: 22.73%; 40.00% Sorry this turned into a book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 I believe the correct term is TT 'cabana boy punchers' What folks might have against improving the stat is that throwing more doesn't equal winning more. Ever see a bunch of cabana-boys cowering in fear under a cabana??? -Not pretty.... All will be revealed about TT in 3 months time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Because I like Tyrod, stats, and the Bills I ran some more numbers, this time with the Bills, the Saints, the Colts, the Ravens, and the Chargers. Sorry this turned into a book... What is your analysis of those stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Because I like Tyrod, stats, and the Bills I ran some more numbers, this time with the Bills, the Saints, the Colts, the Ravens, and the Chargers. Average Points Scored and Allowed in Wins: Bills: 27.1 - 14.5 Saints: 34.9 - 26.6 Colts: 27.8 - 19.3 Ravens: 23.9 - 16.5 Chargers: 31.1 - 22.1 Average Points Scored and Allowed in Losses: Bills: 21.9 - 30.5 Saints: 21.6 - 30.9 Colts: 18.7 - 30.7 Ravens: 18.9 - 26.7 Chargers: 19.6 - 27.0 Offensive and Defensive Swing between Wins and Losses: Bills: O: 5.2 D: -16.0 (Consistent Offensive production, Jekyll & Hyde Defense) Saints: O: 13.2 D: -4.3 (Jekyll & Hyde Offense, Consistently Bad Defense) Colts: O: 9.1 D: -11.4 (Only 1 side of the ball shows up on any given week) Ravens: O: 5.0 D: -10.3 (Consistent, but low Offensive Production, Inconsistent, but solid Defense) Chargers: O: 11.5 D: -4.9 (Inconsistent Offensive Production, Consistently below average Defense) 24+ Allowed Win %; 23 or less Allowed Win %: Bills: 0.00%; 83.33% Saints: 28.57%; 72.73% Colts: 27.78%; 78.57% Ravens: 16.67%; 71.43% Chargers: 22.73%; 40.00% Sorry this turned into a book... We score more on average than Brees, Luck, Flacco or Rivers. Guess that puts Tyrod into perspective doesn't it. I've always said the biggest problem is that we watch every play of every game for the Bills and most posters only watch the highlights of other teams, of course we look worse in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 We score more on average than Brees, Luck, Flacco or Rivers. Guess that puts Tyrod into perspective doesn't it. I've always said the biggest problem is that we watch every play of every game for the Bills and most posters only watch the highlights of other teams, of course we look worse in those circumstances. Maybe I read it wrong. I believe the #'s indicated that "Buffalo scored more on average in Losses than Brees and others. In Wins they scored less than w/the exception of Balt Ravens: 23.9 Bills: 27.1 Colts: 27.8 Chargers: 31.1 Saints: 34.9 It also indicates that the Bills D is better than all the rest in points allowed. Bills: 14.5 Ravens: 16.5 Colts: 19.3 Chargers: 22.1 Saints: 26.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Maybe I read it wrong. I believe the #'s indicated that "Buffalo scored more on average in Losses than Brees and others. In Wins they scored less than w/the exception of Balt Ravens: 23.9 Bills: 27.1 Colts: 27.8 Chargers: 31.1 Saints: 34.9 It also indicates that the Bills D is better than all the rest in points allowed.Bills: 14.5 Ravens: 16.5 Colts: 19.3 Chargers: 22.1 Saints: 26.6 The defense against the better teams averaged giving up 33 points a game. This has already been noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) The defense against the better teams averaged giving up 33 points a game. This has already been noted. you never give up. Better Teams? Head to head comparison of 5 teams Bills 7-9*, Ravens 8-8, Colts 8-8, Saints 7-9, Chargers 5-11. Nice try. Have a good day. Edited June 21, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) One interpretation of those numbers is that the defense was responsible for many of our wins. But then that is true... some of Tyrod's worst games on tape last year were games we won. Cincy, Arizona, LA.... And don't get me wrong, I think the defense was mainly awful the last 2 years. I just am still struggling to come up with wins where I go "Tyrod was the main reason we won." He has had some of his best games in "nearly" performances. Edited June 21, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 There's a very real chance that TT can give us tremendous leverage at certain field positions/down & Distances... If Yates, Peterman, or Jones (hey, it could happen!) emerges as more of a mainstay QB, perhaps TT can be trotted out after expensive Sacks.... Even short yardage situations where other backs can benefit from his presence on the field... Hmmmm.... I see a way to turn the situational love TT gets from the stat-guys into scoring drives for us. Does anyone feel similarly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Maybe I read it wrong. I believe the #'s indicated that "Buffalo scored more on average in Losses than Brees and others. In Wins they scored less than w/the exception of Balt Ravens: 23.9 Bills: 27.1 Colts: 27.8 Chargers: 31.1 Saints: 34.9 It also indicates that the Bills D is better than all the rest in points allowed.Bills: 14.5 Ravens: 16.5 Colts: 19.3 Chargers: 22.1 Saints: 26.6 Point #1 you are correct in the way you took it. Point 2, it indicates that the Bills D is the best of the bunch when we win. As far as my analysis, I'll get there in a bit. Potentially in a new topic. I've gone through this analysis and then some for every team in the league over the past 2 years and charted it all in a spreadsheet. Yes, I'm a math nerd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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