19 Dead,50 Injured in terror attack at Ariana Grande Concert

[row_33]

Don't you think it's a little hasty to automatically assume these people are mentally unstable? And even if they were, it doesn't matter to me, because these people need to be locked away one way or another. They have evil in them. They're willing to kill. These aren't good or innocent people.

 

The mug shots of massacre killers in the US recently have shown them drugged through their eyeballs to about 10 feet above their heads.

[Chef Jim]

Don't you think it's a little hasty to automatically assume these people are mentally unstable? And even if they were, it doesn't matter to me, because these people need to be locked away one way or another. They have evil in them. They're willing to kill. These aren't good or innocent people.

 

Would you say that about a soldier in the US military who has been trained and willing to kill?

[Justice]

 

Would you say that about a soldier in the US military who has been trained and willing to kill?

No, because a trained soldier doing his job is far different from someone that targets civilians.

[DC Tom]

No, because a trained soldier doing his job is far different from someone that targets civilians.

 

Not as often or as much as you'd think.

[B-Man]

For those with comprehension issues, Mr Steyn is opining on the poor reaction of governments/press to blowing up children......not targeting a religion.

 

The Ruin of England

by Mark Steyn

The groupthink in our public discourse is so pervasive it goes as unnoticed as the air.

For example, let's say a bunch of young girls are blown up at a pop concert. You have to say something about it. But what?

Sir Richard Leese, Leader of Manchester City Council, on what he called the "incident" (seriously) at Manchester Arena:

We will not allow terrorists who seek to sow fear and division to achieve their aims.

Likewise, Amber Rudd, the British Home Secretary, had no doubt about the intent of the attack:

Its intention was to sow fear - its intention is to divide.

Even on the Continent, Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission and would-be scourge of Brexit, was admirably on message:

Once again, terrorism has sought to instil fear where there should be joy, to sow division where young people and families should be coming together.

 

The London press weighed in

 

Those who perpetrated this attack hope to sow division.

 

And the Canadian press

To state the obvious: Terrorist attacks are meant to terrorize and sow division.

 

And the American press

Isis and the other purveyors of terror are gradually succeeding in sowing division...

 

Yes, yes, but what do the experts say

Paris (AFP) - By targeting children at a pop concert in Manchester, the Islamic State group aimed to cause maximum outrage and sow divisions by turning people against Muslims, experts say.

 

 

When death stalks the land, make no mistake: He may look like a grim reaper, but he's really a grim sower. An entire sowing bee of experts has so decreed. Indeed, in their warnings about sowing division, our betters are so non-divided that they give off the faintly creepy whiff of fellows all reading off the same cue card helpfully biked round to them by the Central Commissar ten minutes after the "incident" occurred.

 

 

You non-experts might think this a fairly crude sleight of hand - that concerns about "division" is a not so subtle way of suggesting that the real problem isn't guys like Salman Abedi waiting with his nail bomb at the exit to the pop concert, but divisive types like you querying whether it's prudent to keep importing more and more Islam into the western world. Well, screw you: if you disagree that the real danger here is the sowing of division, you're just sowing even more division.

{snip}

I have been reading the French archaeologist Paul Veyne's elegant, bitter monograph on Palmyra: An Irreplaceable Treasure. To Veyne, Palmyra was, with Pompeii and Ephesus, one of the three greatest surviving sites of the ancient world - until Isis smashed it to smithereens, and beheaded its curator, Khaled al-Asaad.

Why? What threat could the ruins of Palmyra pose to Islamic hegemony? Professor Veyne:

 

Why, in August 2015, did ISIS need to blow up and destroy that temple of Baalshamin? Because it was a temple where pagans before Islam came to adore mendacious idols? No, it was because that monument was venerated by contemporary Westerners, whose culture includes an educated love for "historical monuments" and a great curiosity for the beliefs of other people and other times. And Islamists want to show that Muslims have a culture that is different from ours, a culture that is unique to them. They blew up that temple in Palmyra and have pillaged several archaeological sites in the Near East to show that they are different from us and that they don't respect what Western culture admires.

 

 

That is true. But I would go further. As Orwell said, he who controls the past controls the future. Isis and Boko Haram and the Taliban obliterate the past in order to eliminate any possibility of a future other than theirs. They smash all evidence of the pre-Islamic past so that there remains not even the dimmest sense of any alternative to them.

That was the project Salman Abedi was embarked on in Manchester last Monday. It must all go: Palmyra, and L S Lowry, and Ariana Grande.

And then across a vast wasteland we can finally have a society entirely without "division".

 

 

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Edited May 31, 2017 by B-Man

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

For those with comprehension issues, Mr Steyn is opining on the poor reaction of governments/press to blowing up children......not targeting a religion.

 

The Ruin of England

by Mark Steyn

The groupthink in our public discourse is so pervasive it goes as unnoticed as the air.

For example, let's say a bunch of young girls are blown up at a pop concert. You have to say something about it. But what?

Sir Richard Leese, Leader of Manchester City Council, on what he called the "incident" (seriously) at Manchester Arena:

We will not allow terrorists who seek to sow fear and division to achieve their aims.

Likewise, Amber Rudd, the British Home Secretary, had no doubt about the intent of the attack:

Its intention was to sow fear - its intention is to divide.

Even on the Continent, Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission and would-be scourge of Brexit, was admirably on message:

Once again, terrorism has sought to instil fear where there should be joy, to sow division where young people and families should be coming together.

 

The London press weighed in

 

Those who perpetrated this attack hope to sow division.

 

And the Canadian press

To state the obvious: Terrorist attacks are meant to terrorize and sow division.

 

And the American press

Isis and the other purveyors of terror are gradually succeeding in sowing division...

 

 

Yes, yes, but what do the experts say

Paris (AFP) - By targeting children at a pop concert in Manchester, the Islamic State group aimed to cause maximum outrage and sow divisions by turning people against Muslims, experts say.

 

 

When death stalks the land, make no mistake: He may look like a grim reaper, but he's really a grim sower. An entire sowing bee of experts has so decreed. Indeed, in their warnings about sowing division, our betters are so non-divided that they give off the faintly creepy whiff of fellows all reading off the same cue card helpfully biked round to them by the Central Commissar ten minutes after the "incident" occurred.

 

 

You non-experts might think this a fairly crude sleight of hand - that concerns about "division" is a not so subtle way of suggesting that the real problem isn't guys like Salman Abedi waiting with his nail bomb at the exit to the pop concert, but divisive types like you querying whether it's prudent to keep importing more and more Islam into the western world. Well, screw you: if you disagree that the real danger here is the sowing of division, you're just sowing even more division.

{snip}

I have been reading the French archaeologist Paul Veyne's elegant, bitter monograph on Palmyra: An Irreplaceable Treasure. To Veyne, Palmyra was, with Pompeii and Ephesus, one of the three greatest surviving sites of the ancient world - until Isis smashed it to smithereens, and beheaded its curator, Khaled al-Asaad.

Why? What threat could the ruins of Palmyra pose to Islamic hegemony? Professor Veyne:

 

 

That is true. But I would go further. As Orwell said, he who controls the past controls the future. Isis and Boko Haram and the Taliban obliterate the past in order to eliminate any possibility of a future other than theirs. They smash all evidence of the pre-Islamic past so that there remains not even the dimmest sense of any alternative to them.

That was the project Salman Abedi was embarked on in Manchester last Monday. It must all go: Palmyra, and L S Lowry, and Ariana Grande.

And then across a vast wasteland we can finally have a society entirely without "division".

 

 

.

 

Bra-!@#$ing-vo!

[Azalin]

 

That is true. But I would go further. As Orwell said, he who controls the past controls the future. Isis and Boko Haram and the Taliban obliterate the past in order to eliminate any possibility of a future other than theirs. They smash all evidence of the pre-Islamic past so that there remains not even the dimmest sense of any alternative to them.

 

That reminds me a bit of what's going on in the American south. Remove the statues and it'll be as if it never happened.

[DC Tom]

 

That reminds me a bit of what's going on in the American south. Remove the statues and it'll be as if it never happened.

 

I'll say it again: Bamian Buddhas.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

That reminds me a bit of what's going on in the American south. Remove the statues and it'll be as if it never happened.